Reasons we lost tonight - Dallas-Mavs.com Forums

CadBane · 06-05-2011, 10:01 PM

1. The Heat continue to shoot out of their ass from three.

Chalmers: 4-6 (now 8-18 on the series) 35% beforehand for the playoffs

Wade: 2-4 (now 6-15 on the series) 20% beforehand for the playoffs

It's nothing short of bullshit luck, and I doubt it changes.

2. JJB. 2-8, 4 turnovers, yet somehow our clueless excuse of a "coach" plays him 19 minutes. How many wide open threes does he need to miss? How many times does he have to fail to get the ball to Dirk? How many times does he have to turn it over? How many times do guys have to shoot right over him? We win this game if that POS could hit just one WIDE OPEN shot.

3. Peja. I'm beyond done with him. I don't want to see that worthless POS play one more minute. It's one thing if he misses shots. It's another to play with ZERO effort. That's what he did. He demonstrated ZERO effort on defense and for a stretch it the 2nd half it KILLED us. He gave a WIDE OPEN three because his lazy ass didn't rotate. Guys were busting their ass on D...except for him.

4. Coach Dumbass. Overplaying JJB yet again. This POS has been a liability ALL series, yet you play him almost half the 4th? You go to him early in the third? Then, he waited WAY too late to start trapping Wade in the 4th. It was clear Wade was killing us, make someone else beat you.

5. Once again, it's Dirk and scrubs. Sad story of Dirk's life. There's just too many times where he gets NO help whatsoever. None. Even with constant double teams, 34 points. Next highest scorer, 15.

11-21. +12.

Rest of team, 17-69. That's 25% folks. 25%. Way to step up, boys.

Sad that in a game Dirk played so fantastically, his teammates let him down so hard. That's probably the ring right there. Pisses me off he and Kidd won't get a ring because of bitches like Peja and JJB.

mavsfanforever · 06-05-2011, 10:03 PM

Win the next game and thats the key

chumdawg · 06-05-2011, 10:07 PM

No mention of the missed shot that could have sent it to overtime?

CadBane · 06-05-2011, 10:09 PM

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No mention of the missed shot that could have sent it to overtime?

You aren't even worth it.

chumdawg · 06-05-2011, 10:11 PM

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Originally Posted by CadBane

You aren't even worth it.

You've never been, but I've entertained you for all this time. So...no mention of the missed shot that sealed the game?

Dtownsfinest · 06-05-2011, 10:35 PM

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No mention of the missed shot that could have sent it to overtime?

Dirk walks on water and turns bread into wine. Saying otherwise is just Cadbane bait lol. Dirk was beastly tonight but that last shot never happened lol.

sefant77 · 06-05-2011, 10:10 PM

8min of Mahinmi

Chalmers/Wade hitting threes way above their average

Barea is 5-23 in this series. Crashed back to earth

Peja useless in this series

pick a reason

mavsjunkie · 06-05-2011, 10:10 PM

I thought that the last defensive possession was basically why they win. They have 3 Super Stars. We trap both Wade and LeBron and they kill us with the 3rd guy. If we want to destroy teams, we need a second super Star, no doubt about it.

CadBane · 06-05-2011, 10:13 PM

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I thought that the last defensive possession was basically why they win. They have 3 Super Stars. We trap both Wade and LeBron and they kill us with the 3rd guy. If we want to destroy teams, we need a second super Star, no doubt about it.

Quite true. We did a good job of getting it out of Wade's hands with the trap, Bosh got an open shot. That's what happens. He hit it, our cast misses theirs.

MascisMan · 06-05-2011, 10:14 PM

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If we want to destroy teams, we need a second super Star, no doubt about it.

Someone like Caron Butler?

No matter what happens in the series we have already had the best offseason of any team. We get to add Caron Butler and put Roddy through a preseason/1st half of the regular season.

FINtastic · 06-05-2011, 10:18 PM

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Someone like Caron Butler?

We wouldn't even need star-level play out of him. We would have just needed him to not be Peja.

Gosh this depresses me.

MascisMan · 06-05-2011, 10:19 PM

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We wouldn't even need star-level play out of him. We would have just needed him to not be Peja.

Gosh this depresses me.

Exactly. Butler, Marion, Kidd would have been enough perimeter defense.

sefant77 · 06-05-2011, 10:26 PM

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Someone like Caron Butler?

No matter what happens in the series we have already had the best offseason of any team. We get to add Caron Butler and put Roddy through a preseason/1st half of the regular season.

If there is a season

Dtownsfinest · 06-05-2011, 10:37 PM

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Someone like Caron Butler?

No matter what happens in the series we have already had the best offseason of any team. We get to add Caron Butler and put Roddy through a preseason/1st half of the regular season.

The Mavs would be making a big mistake going into the offseason with the same team even if we win this series. Every contender will try to improve to beat you next season and staying pat isn't a option.

MascisMan · 06-05-2011, 10:39 PM

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The Mavs would be making a big mistake going into the offseason with the same team even if we win this series. Every contender will try to improve to beat you next season and staying pat isn't a option.

But it wouldn't be the same team.....because we would have Caron Butler....and Roddy/Brewer would be more prepared.

Dtownsfinest · 06-05-2011, 10:42 PM

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But it wouldn't be the same team.....because we would have Caron Butler....and Roddy/Brewer would be more prepared.

Butler would also be coming off a season ending injury. You have no idea how he comes back from that injury. Especally in your 30's. I don't believe this team misses Caron Butler honestly. Heat gave up 86. There's not a guy on this planet that can stop Bron or Wade from penetrating to the basket.

Murphy3 · 06-05-2011, 10:10 PM

No, he's really not worth it when he starts to act like this.

MascisMan · 06-05-2011, 10:12 PM

Here is why we lost.

1. Kidd had 35 minutes and should be getting 40 minutes in the Finals. Not sure what Carlisle is saving him for. Kidd is incapable of playing 5 games in a row, 40 minutes each?

2. Terry, Kidd, and Barea missed 5 free throws.

3. Barea took 8 shots, 5 were threes, he made 1.

GermanDunk · 06-05-2011, 10:44 PM

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Here is why we lost.

1. Kidd had 35 minutes and should be getting 40 minutes in the Finals. Not sure what Carlisle is saving him for. Kidd is incapable of playing 5 games in a row, 40 minutes each?

We were pwned in the first half, 35 points after 21 minutes or so. RC wanted to try something different.

MascisMan · 06-05-2011, 10:46 PM

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We were pwned in the first half, 35 points after 21 minutes or so. RC wanted to try something different.

I see. So with 8 mins left in the 4th he believes that JJB is the better option in a pivotal game 3 of the Finals (when future HOF'er Kidd had only played 28 minutes at the time)?

Maybe JJB should start at PG in game 4....so we can try something different.

GermanDunk · 06-05-2011, 11:13 PM

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I see. So with 8 mins left in the 4th he believes that JJB is the better option in a pivotal game 3 of the Finals (when future HOF'er Kidd had only played 28 minutes at the time)?

No, i was talking about the first half. With JJ on the court the game went downhill in the 1st/2nd quarter. Horrible. JJs 4th quarter was not so bad. He has been subbed out with 7:30 to go.

MascisMan · 06-05-2011, 11:41 PM

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No, i was talking about the first half. With JJ on the court the game went downhill in the 1st/2nd quarter. Horrible. JJs 4th quarter was not so bad. He has been subbed out with 7:30 to go.

And since Kidd had only played 28 minutes to that point it was too late. Kidd could have played the last 10 minutes of the 4th and would have been at 38 minutes for the night.

Yes I understand 10 minutes in a row is a lot and a guy needs a breather. However, you can also count on about 5 time outs in the last 10 minutes of the 4th quarter as well as a TV timeout. He would have got his breathers.

I feel like RC's strategy is to play it safe and keep it close until the last 2 minutes and then just roll the dice and see what happens. It feels like we are playing to stay in the game rather than playing to win by 10.....if that makes sense.

Nowitzness81 · 06-05-2011, 10:20 PM

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Rest of team, 17-69. That's 25% folks. 25%. Way to step up, boys.

17-49

Still terrible.

chumdawg · 06-05-2011, 10:25 PM

Was this game tied at 84, or am I mistaken?

Bayliss · 06-05-2011, 10:30 PM

Well if there is a lockout I hope it lasts for several years. Because if the Mavs win, then that is a lasting memory for me. If the Heat win, their ring will be forever tarnished, and it might be the thing to kick Stern out of his role.

MascisMan · 06-05-2011, 10:35 PM

Kidd's minutes:

Game 1: 36
Game 2: 38
Game 3: 35

If we are capable of scoring 7-10 points in 2 mins (which we have already proven), then giving Kidd another 4-5 minutes is monumental. Not to mention his defense and rebounding capability vs. Barea.

Bayliss · 06-05-2011, 10:37 PM

The reason why no one really is mentioning the last shot is because Dirk scored the last 10 points for the Mavs. He can't make them **all**. He will miss at some point.

CadBane · 06-05-2011, 10:38 PM

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The reason why no one really is mentioning the last shot is because Dirk scored the last 10 points for the Mavs. He can't make them **all**. He will miss at some point.

This.

Yeah, Dirk missed the game tying shot. That's about last on the list of why we lost.

Dtownsfinest · 06-05-2011, 10:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Bayliss

The reason why no one really is mentioning the last shot is because Dirk scored the last 10 points for the Mavs. He can't make them **all**. He will miss at some point.

Personally i'm not even upset by the shot. I'm a little pissed by the turnover he had prior though. But with the way Dirk has played you just have to accept any faults he give you. We wouldn't be here without Dirk and that's not even a question.

JerryWest_44 · 06-05-2011, 10:44 PM

Two reasons:

1-too many turnovers
2-not completing a good defensive effort -after shutting down the heat for a possession the Mavs continue to give up the offensive rebound

All other reasons pale to these

twelli · 06-05-2011, 10:51 PM

Can you guys stop talking about the next season, already? At last count, we still have some games to play in this final.

JamesCom · 06-05-2011, 11:03 PM

Intensity in defense went down a huge notch in the fourth. Guards started jacking threes in the final minutes instead of penetrating and creating open shots. And even when the shot was open, the shooters weren't able to sink it, especially Terry.

Many things went our way tonight, and the game was there for us to take but still we weren't able to grab it.

GhostFace · 06-05-2011, 11:13 PM

Same things went wrong for us tonight that has gone wrong for us the past two games. The only difference is Dirk bailed us out. Tonight, all he asked for was a little help and did not get any. Sure that turnover was horrible and he missed the last shot, and honestly after the way he played all game I am not even upset with Dirk.

41mvp · 06-05-2011, 11:27 PM

Reasons
1.JJ.Barea he hurts us all night long in this finals
2.Stojakovic he made 2 points so far WTF?
3.Haywood injury(Big wood did great job on Bosh)
4.Our defence!Why we play hard defence only on 4thQ?(I do not know)
5.Rick!he did great job in Game 2 but in Game 3 his decisions was terrible

we must forget about this game.Next game will for us most important.I believe in this team WE CAN DO THAT!

MAVS IN 6

MascisMan · 06-05-2011, 11:43 PM

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Originally Posted by 41mvp

Reasons
1.JJ.Barea he hurts us all night long in this finals
2.Stojakovic he made 2 points so far WTF?
3.Haywood injury(Big wood did great job on Bosh)
4.Our defence!Why we play hard defence only on 4thQ?(I do not know)
5.Rick!he did great job in Game 2 but in Game 3 his decisions was terrible

we must forget about this game.Next game will for us most important.I believe in this team WE CAN DO THAT!

MAVS IN 6

I agree with this except a modification to #3. With Haywood out, Bosh still only shot 39% from the field. He had 18 points on 18 shots. I think we will take that every time.

twelli · 06-05-2011, 11:59 PM

Just thought about another reason. Dirk didn't get the ball for a large stretch in the first half. He did have, what, two fg attempts in the first period? while Wade did tear our defense apart. No reason to not finding him early on.

OneLove22 · 06-06-2011, 12:04 AM

Also, Mahinmi with 5 fouls in 7 mins....

Yet with all this we only lose by 2. So frustrating.

I really do believe we are the better team.

Sportstudi · 06-06-2011, 05:09 AM

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Just thought about another reason. Dirk didn't get the ball for a large stretch in the first half. He did have, what, two fg attempts in the first period? while Wade did tear our defense apart. No reason to not finding him early on.

That was the time when Barea was the PG. I really don't know why Barea has many difficulties giving the ball to Dirk. And if he does, quite often there are like 3-4 seconds left on the clock or Dirk is in a bad position.

I still hope Barea somehow finds his rhythm again as Carlisle won't try anything else. Maybe he'll play better in the next games. Hope dies last. I wouldn't even mind to let Terry run the point for a few minutes (he was the PG for Atlanta and did for the Mavs some times as well for a couple of minues) and let Brewer play SG. At least Brewer can play some defense.

Epitome22 · 06-06-2011, 12:12 AM

The reason they lost is that there only two other guys who can get their own shot besides Dirk (Barea, Terry) and neither of them can do so reliably.

BigAshish · 06-06-2011, 12:12 AM

You are definitely the better team. That is without question. When so many players on your team are playing sub-par and you lose by 2 points, then that says something about your team. If you played at your regular capability, you'd have won this game easily.