NVE/Dampier to Dallas...Screw Portland - Dallas-Mavs.com Forums

akaarod03 · 01-30-2004, 04:58 PM

If NVE and Dampier are really on the trading block...which offer is more attractive to Golden State? Wallace straight up for NVE and Dampier or how about a proposed offer from Dallas?

Dallas gives Walker, Delk, Best, Najera, Daniels, Cash, and a 2nd round pick for NVE, Dampier, and Eschmeyer? I know...lol...Eschmeyer...the big spare.

According to ESPN Insider, Golden State is trying to get salary cap space this year and go after priemier free agents i.e. Kobe. Why? The Suns will have tons of salary cap space this offseason. So will the Spurs. I'm thinking Kobe or any other free agent will have Phoenix or San Antonio ahead of Golden State. With that said, isn't it more beneficial to have salary cap space next year when no major teams will really be under the cap? As we all know, Walker is a FA next year...thats approximately 15 million off the books for the Warriors. Off the top of my head...I dont know who are the FAs next year...I believe K-mart is one but I'm sure there are some others. My point is which is a better offer for Golden State...Getting Wallace or getting a package of Walker, Delk, Best, Daniels, Najera, Cash, Draft pick, and getting rid of Eschmeyer's pathetic contract?

All I know is that NVE and Dampier are players that can help this team immensely. A solid rotation of Nash, Finley, Howard, Nowitski, Dampier, NVE, Jamison, Bradley...wow.

LRB · 01-30-2004, 05:02 PM

A big difference is Wallace's contract ends this year and Walker's doesn't end until next year.

Max Power · 01-30-2004, 05:16 PM

Golden State appears to want to burn the team to the ground - they don't want to be mediocre, they want to be REAALLY bad to get a good pick and also have cap room.

bcrav4 · 01-30-2004, 05:42 PM

Walker wouldn't make them mediocre.....besides walker can opt out at the end of this season anyway.

Walker ($13.5million) plus max trade cash($3mill)+ Best ($1mill)=more than sheed $17mill!!!!

The question is, is Dampier really on the block???

grbh · 01-30-2004, 05:51 PM

Walker is not going to opt out at the end of the season. he would be taking an enormous pay cut to do it. Not going to happen

EricaLubarsky · 01-30-2004, 09:48 PM

Poindexter Einstein · 01-31-2004, 11:57 AM

" I mean it's absurd that GS is willing to trade NVE, Dampier, Murphy, AND a protected #1 for Wallace and problem-child Patterson" ...."This is something that seems legit...coming from ESPN Insider and ESPN radio"

I agree that the trade idea seems absurd. But I dont agree that ESPN as the source legitimizes it, unfortunately. I have noticed that when it comes to the Mavs recently, they have been willing to toss out trade lunacy - and for a Mav fan it is easier to recognize. So IMO this is created from the same "trade speculation chamber" that is fueled by non-thinkers in ESPN's domain.

And for what its worth, I agree with uhco and akaarod - the flamethrower/etc stuff is lame when it is just tossed over and over without comment. If you dont think something makes sense, say why. Failing to give rational input is like a 3 yr-old throwing rocks IMO - yes we know your opinion, but it does nothing to advance the debate. And isnt the whole point of a form supposed to be to ENCOURAGE talk and interaction rather than to stifle it?

akaarod03 · 02-01-2004, 12:38 PM

OK...I've changed my mind. Let's involve Portland in this deal. Would this be beneficial for all 3 teams involved?

Dallas trades Antoine Walker and Travis Best

Dallas receives Erick Dampier, Speedy Claxton, and Evan Eschmeyer (thrown in for salary cap purposes)

Portland trades Rasheed Wallace and Wesley Person

Portland receives NVE and Antoine Walker

Golden State trades Eric Dampier, NVE, Speedy Claxton, and Evan Eschmeyer

Golden State receives Rasheed Wallace, Wesley Person, and Travis Best

Why Dallas does it? Pretty obvious. Dampier. The guy is legit and would fill a major need. Also, I've always liked Claxton's game...he would be a nice young backup PG

Why Portland does it? Is NVE and Walker enough to get them into the playoffs and continue their consecutive making the playoffs streak? I'm not sure...it may be too late. However, from a talent perspective, to get NVE and Walker for a guy that will probably leave them in free agency is a coup for them.

Why Golden State does it? Three words...salary cap space. All three players are FAs at the end of the year...thats about 26 million in salary coming off the books this offseason. They would have a gaping hole at PG...but they can either address that in free agency or via the draft. It really looks Golden State is just trying to start all over. Good luck with all that.

Your thoughts...

dmiiller · 02-01-2004, 01:00 PM

I like this trade from our point. Just not sure if Portland would rather have Walker than Dampier since they now have Miles as their SF. Also not so sure GS would trade both NVE and Claxton since that would leave them with Best and Avery as their PG and makes it a must that they spend their first pick on one or have to get one in FA. Otherwise I think this could fly on all parts.

dude1394 · 02-01-2004, 01:30 PM

Why would the warriors want to trady dampier at all?? He seems to be having a career year and doesn't seem to be tremendously overpaid?

MavsFanFinley · 02-01-2004, 01:49 PM

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Why would the warriors want to trady dampier at all?? He seems to be having a career year and doesn't seem to be tremendously overpaid?

According to the papers/radio stations around here is that Dampier is going to opt-out of his contract and has told the Warriors that he won't play for the Warriors next year.

dude1394 · 02-01-2004, 01:56 PM

Oh... Goody.... I think either of our two forwards plus heck whatever else they might be interested in maybe not howard but ok with the others.

bcrav4 · 02-01-2004, 05:15 PM

Mark Cuban, should call Van Exel and apologize (tell him Big 3 miss him) & get nick to push the Dallas deal.

Supposedly Dallas made a pitch involving walker 4 Exel and Dampier!!!

ddh33 · 02-02-2004, 12:09 AM

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Originally posted by: bcrav4
Mark Cuban, should call Van Exel and apologize (tell him Big 3 miss him) & get nick to push the Dallas deal.

Supposedly Dallas made a pitch involving walker 4 Exel and Dampier!!!

Where did you hear this? That would sure start some conversation around here...

Poindexter Einstein · 02-02-2004, 12:29 AM

"Supposedly Dallas made a pitch involving walker 4 Exel and Dampier!!!"

Sounds like one of those chat-board specualtion things. Mavs dont want to trade for NVE.

Nicky31 · 02-04-2004, 09:53 AM

This would have to be the trade the Mav's put out on the table. Otherwise it would have to be TAW in the trade, and the warriors are not looking for any more bad contracts. I can definately see the Mav's maybe taking a gamble because this would lock up as good a team as you can get through FA like they have done. This would definately bring back order in the front court for the Mav's moving Dirk back to PF and having Dampier at C would have to no doubt help their rebounding percentage and interior defense, and when you think about it they gave up R. Lafrentz to get A. Walker. Essentially the trade would be for Raef you got NVE back along with one of the top 3 centers in the west.

I would think the Warriors wouldn't do this trade without Portland being involved. They want an expiring contract after this season, but if I was Don Nelson I would take a long hard look before I let center like Dampier go away to another team (especially a divison rival; such as the Grizzles)...

Dallas trades: PG Tony Delk (6.6 ppg, 2.0 rpg, 0.8 apg in 16.3 minutes)
SF Eduardo Najera (3.3 ppg, 3.1 rpg, 0.4 apg in 13.7 minutes)
PF Antoine Walker (15.9 ppg, 9.2 rpg, 5.4 apg in 37.9 minutes)
Dallas receives: C Erick Dampier (12.0 ppg, 11.6 rpg, 0.7 apg in 32.2 minutes)
PG Nick Van Exel (13.1 ppg, 2.6 rpg, 5.8 apg in 33.5 minutes)
Change in team outlook: -0.7 ppg, -0.1 rpg, and -0.1 apg.

Golden State trades: C Erick Dampier (12.0 ppg, 11.6 rpg, 0.7 apg in 32.2 minutes)
PG Nick Van Exel (13.1 ppg, 2.6 rpg, 5.8 apg in 33.5 minutes)
Golden State receives: PG Tony Delk (6.6 ppg, 2.0 rpg, 0.8 apg in 29 games)
SF Eduardo Najera (3.3 ppg, 3.1 rpg, 0.4 apg in 28 games)
PF Antoine Walker (15.9 ppg, 9.2 rpg, 5.4 apg in 47 games)
Change in team outlook: +0.7 ppg, +0.1 rpg, and +0.1 apg.

TRADE ACCEPTED

Due to Dallas and Golden State being over the cap, the 15% trade rule is invoked. Dallas and Golden State had to be no more than 115% plus $100,000 of the salary given out for the trade to be accepted, which did happen here. This trade satisfies the provisions of the Collective Bargaining Agreement

bcrav4 · 02-04-2004, 10:28 AM

BREAKING NEWS!!!!

Van Exel wants to play 4 Dallas according to Hoopshype, look at my previous post....Mark Cuban apologized!!!!!

Maybe Van Exel will convince Warriors Management to trade him 2 Dallas w/Dampier, b/c he doesn't want to have to opt out of his huge contract?????

Is there any way we can email him or something?

Nicky31 · 02-04-2004, 11:31 AM

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Originally posted by: bcrav4
BREAKING NEWS!!!!

Van Exel wants to play 4 Dallas according to Hoopshype, look at my previous post....Mark Cuban apologized!!!!!

Maybe Van Exel will convince Warriors Management to trade him 2 Dallas w/Dampier, b/c he doesn't want to have to opt out of his huge contract?????

Is there any way we can email him or something?

He will definately have to restructure his current contract for next season to come back because Nash is going to demand max pay after this season, but the paycut will not have to be hugh to retain Nash...(you would have to think how injury prone NVE is..that this would seem within reason, but in my opinion alot of players in the league are not excited about getting a paycut without some guarantee of a ring hence Malone & Payton)...

seelenjaeger · 02-04-2004, 12:26 PM

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Originally posted by: Nicky31

Quote:

Originally posted by: bcrav4
BREAKING NEWS!!!!

Van Exel wants to play 4 Dallas according to Hoopshype, look at my previous post....Mark Cuban apologized!!!!!

Maybe Van Exel will convince Warriors Management to trade him 2 Dallas w/Dampier, b/c he doesn't want to have to opt out of his huge contract?????

Is there any way we can email him or something?

He will definately have to restructure his current contract for next season to come back because Nash is going to demand max pay after this season, but the paycut will not have to be hugh to retain Nash...(you would have to think how injury prone NVE is..that this would seem within reason, but in my opinion alot of players in the league are not excited about getting a paycut without some guarantee of a ring hence Malone & Payton)...

Well, not that we can offer Nick anything above than the Mid Level exception anyways under the current CBA ...

Drbio · 02-04-2004, 10:47 AM

good lord..[img]i/expressions/rolleye.gif[/img]

kingrex · 02-04-2004, 11:19 AM

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Originally posted by: Drbio
good lord..[img]i/expressions/rolleye.gif[/img]

Maybe we could reverse trade everyone and get the 3 J's back in here. How about it guys? Guys? Hello? Is that a flamethrower I hear warming up? [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif[/img]

Nicky31 · 02-04-2004, 12:41 PM

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Originally posted by: kingrex

Quote:

Originally posted by: Drbio
good lord..[img]i/expressions/rolleye.gif[/img]

Maybe we could reverse trade everyone and get the 3 J's back in here. How about it guys? Guys? Hello? Is that a flamethrower I hear warming up? [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif[/img]

Would this lineup be flamethrow worthy....

Starting lineup:
PG - Nash
SG - Finley
SF - Jamison
PF - Nowitzki
C - Dampier

Bench:
PG - Best
SG - Van Exel
SF - Howard
PF - Fortson
C - Bradley

I could live with that lineup, but that's just me......

MightyToine · 02-04-2004, 01:29 PM

BREAKING NEWS!!

Walker isn't going ANYWHERE! [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-shocked.gif[/img]

Anyone that believes that Walker is opting out of a contract (the likes of which he may never see again) that pays him 14 million a year needs to put down the crack pipe immediately.

Next year, Walker will be a Dallas Maverick....and maybe...So will NICK.

Poindexter Einstein · 02-04-2004, 02:36 PM

BREAKING NEWS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Re NVE and this quote "Van Exel wants to play 4 Dallas according to Hoopshype, look at my previous post....Mark Cuban apologized!!!!!" .... That is badly twisted out of context.

NVE was talking specifically about 2005-06 season. That is 2 years from now. That has nothing to do with a trade.

Sheeeeesh.

Poindexter Einstein · 02-04-2004, 02:38 PM

NICKY ...you said "He will definately have to restructure his current contract for next season "

Restructuring of existing contract is not allowed in the NBA. End of story.

Max Power · 02-04-2004, 06:29 PM

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Originally posted by: Poindexter Einstein
NICKY ...you said "He will definately have to restructure his current contract for next season "

Restructuring of existing contract is not allowed in the NBA. End of story.

You can restructure a contract if the team is under the salary cap.

Poindexter Einstein · 02-05-2004, 02:29 AM

MAX .... in the sense that it was mentioned here (ie, "restructuring" to lower the size of a contract), that is NEVER allowed in the NBA. You can renegotiate UPWARD to a limited extent under certain conditions, if you are under the cap, but that scenario certainly wouldnt apply to NVE's situation.

ddh33 · 02-05-2004, 01:14 PM

ESPN Insider is mentioning that Dallas would love to make a deal with GS for Nick and Dampier.

That is one deal I would make right now and not worry about chemistry...

MightyToine · 02-05-2004, 01:25 PM

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Originally posted by: ddh33
ESPN Insider is mentioning that Dallas would love to make a deal with GS for Nick and Dampier.

That is one deal I would make right now and not worry about chemistry...

I'd also love to make that deal.......as long as it involves NONE of the Hawaii-Five-O's [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif[/img]

OutletPass · 02-05-2004, 01:38 PM

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ESPN Insider is mentioning that Dallas would love to make a deal with GS for Nick and Dampier.

-- I saw that one too, DD...along with the Walker for Barry, Booth and James idea...

I'm with you on this one....I like the Walker for NVE/Dampier trade ASSUMING that NVE's knee is ok. This idea may pick up some speed...along with the Walker for Curry, etc. idea as we move towards the 19th.

The GS deal is definitely interesting for the summer if we can't get it done by the deadline. It's certainly a rumor to watch.

OutletPass · 02-05-2004, 01:41 PM

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I'd also love to make that deal.......as long as it involves NONE of the Hawaii-Five-O's

--MT, I have to assume that you're talking about the Big 3 plus Walker and Jamison...you may have to get used to the idea of Toine leaving since nearly every trade idea that's being floated in the press involves him.

madape · 02-05-2004, 01:45 PM

I know Dampier is having a great year... but this is still ERICK DAMPIER. He's spent his whole career sucking. Now he's had a good third of a season and we're ready to dump our three time all-star power forward for him. Sorry, but I have too many memories of the Mark Jacksons, Isaac Austins, Jim McIlvaines, Calvin Booths, and Eric Montrosses of the world to invest that much in Dampier right now. This summer, someone stupid is going to break the bank to aquire this scrub who's flopped around for eight years to the tune of 8 points and 6.9 rebounds. Let's hope that stupid team isn't the Mavericks.

Poindexter Einstein · 02-05-2004, 03:00 PM

MADAPE ... I agree with your skepticism. I would love to have the Dampier of this year, long term on the Mavs. But I am leery of whether he will give you that, on a long term basis. If I was CERTAIN, that would definitely be one to go after.

akaarod03 · 02-05-2004, 03:36 PM

What does Golden State want? Salary cap space. What does Dallas want? A big man and a backup PG. What does Portland want? A talented player who does not have a big contract. Hmm.....

Golden State trades NVE and Erick Dampier
Golden State receives Rasheed Wallace, Travis Best, Marquis Daniels, Cash, and a 2nd round pick

Dallas trades Antoine Walker, Travis Best, Marquis Daniels, Cash, and a 2nd round pick
Dallas receives NVE and Erick Dampier

Portland trades Rasheed Wallace
Portland receives Antoine Walker and Tony Delk

The trade works. Golden State gets salary cap relief this year with Wallace and Best coming off the books. Daniels, Cash, and draft pick are nice, cheap throws-in the deal. Dallas takes care of two big needs. Portland gets something for Wallace. I believe it makes sense for all three teams involved. Your thoughts?

Jamisonite · 02-05-2004, 03:40 PM

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Originally posted by: akaarod03
What does Golden State want? Salary cap space. What does Dallas want? A big man and a backup PG. What does Portland want? A talented player who does not have a big contract. Hmm.....

Golden State trades NVE and Erick Dampier
Golden State receives Rasheed Wallace, Travis Best, Marquis Daniels, Cash, and a 2nd round pick

Dallas trades Antoine Walker, Travis Best, Marquis Daniels, Cash, and a 2nd round pick
Dallas receives NVE and Erick Dampier

Portland trades Rasheed Wallace
Portland receives Antoine Walker and Tony Delk

The trade works. Golden State gets salary cap relief this year with Wallace and Best coming off the books. Daniels, Cash, and draft pick are nice, cheap throws-in the deal. Dallas takes care of two big needs. Portland gets something for Wallace. I believe it makes sense for all three teams involved. Your thoughts?

Sorry but thats not worth it for dallas...and why would portland take walker and delk when they can get dampier and nve

LRB · 02-05-2004, 04:22 PM

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Originally posted by: akaarod03
What does Golden State want? Salary cap space. What does Dallas want? A big man and a backup PG. What does Portland want? A talented player who does not have a big contract. Hmm.....

Golden State trades NVE and Erick Dampier
Golden State receives Rasheed Wallace, Travis Best, Marquis Daniels, Cash, and a 2nd round pick

Dallas trades Antoine Walker, Travis Best, Marquis Daniels, Cash, and a 2nd round pick
Dallas receives NVE and Erick Dampier

Portland trades Rasheed Wallace
Portland receives Antoine Walker and Tony Delk

The trade works. Golden State gets salary cap relief this year with Wallace and Best coming off the books. Daniels, Cash, and draft pick are nice, cheap throws-in the deal. Dallas takes care of two big needs. Portland gets something for Wallace. I believe it makes sense for all three teams involved. Your thoughts?

You would need to kiss this seaon goodbye. We would be trading all backup to Steve Nash for a gimpy NVE. We'd have a very short bench as well since we'd only have 12 players total counting those on the IR. It's too much of a turnover this late in the year to expect the new team to jell by the playoffs. We pay way too much for what we're getting.

Poindexter Einstein · 02-05-2004, 04:38 PM

This revision works better....

Trade Walker and Delk to Portland, and send Best to GS. Get back NVE and Dampier.

Portland gets Walker and Delk (neither is a long term contract, both have talent) and gets rid of Wallace.

GS gets 2 expiring contracts in Wallace and Best, for NVE and Dampier.

ddh33 · 02-05-2004, 04:54 PM

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Originally posted by: Poindexter Einstein
This revision works better....

Trade Walker and Delk to Portland, and send Best to GS. Get back NVE and Dampier.

Portland gets Walker and Delk (neither is a long term contract, both have talent) and gets rid of Wallace.

GS gets 2 expiring contracts in Wallace and Best, for NVE and Dampier.

I like this idea. It seems as reasonable as everything that's being thrown around. In my mind, that would instantly make Dallas huge contenders - maybe even favorites. Just look:

Dampier/Bradley/Fortson
Dirk/Williams
Jamison/Najera
Finley/Howard/Daniels
Nash/Nick

Unfortunately, I just don't think we have all the assets to pull that deal off. Truth is, Portland is better off as long as Dallas isn't involved.

dalmations202 · 02-05-2004, 05:03 PM

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Originally posted by: Poindexter Einstein
This revision works better....

Trade Walker and Delk to Portland, and send Best to GS. Get back NVE and Dampier.

Portland gets Walker and Delk (neither is a long term contract, both have talent) and gets rid of Wallace.

GS gets 2 expiring contracts in Wallace and Best, for NVE and Dampier.

I like this adaption. Except it won't work. NVE and Damp for Wallace won't work. Portland doesn't have any other one person to make it work either. Their has to be more added to it.

This works:

Golden State trades: PG Nick Van Exel (13.4 ppg, 2.7 rpg, 5.9 apg in 34.1 minutes)
PF Troy Murphy (7.5 ppg, 6.1 rpg, 0.6 apg in 20.6 minutes)
C Erick Dampier (11.9 ppg, 11.5 rpg, 0.7 apg in 32.0 minutes)
Golden State receives: SF Rasheed Wallace (17.5 ppg, 6.8 rpg, 2.5 apg in 38.0 minutes)
SG Ruben Patterson (8.0 ppg, 4.2 rpg, 2.0 apg in 24.5 minutes)
Change in team outlook: -7.3 ppg, -9.3 rpg, and -2.7 apg.

Portland trades: SF Rasheed Wallace (17.5 ppg, 6.8 rpg, 2.5 apg in 38.0 minutes)
SG Ruben Patterson (8.0 ppg, 4.2 rpg, 2.0 apg in 24.5 minutes)
Portland receives: PG Tony Delk (6.6 ppg, 2.0 rpg, 0.8 apg in 29 games)
PF Antoine Walker (15.9 ppg, 9.2 rpg, 5.4 apg in 47 games)
PF Danny Fortson (3.7 ppg, 4.9 rpg, 0.1 apg in 35 games)
Change in team outlook: +0.7 ppg, +5.1 rpg, and +1.8 apg.

Dallas trades: PG Tony Delk (6.6 ppg, 2.0 rpg, 0.8 apg in 16.3 minutes)
PF Antoine Walker (15.9 ppg, 9.2 rpg, 5.4 apg in 37.9 minutes)
PF Danny Fortson (3.7 ppg, 4.9 rpg, 0.1 apg in 11.8 minutes)
Dallas receives: PG Nick Van Exel (13.4 ppg, 2.7 rpg, 5.9 apg in 30 games)
PF Troy Murphy (7.5 ppg, 6.1 rpg, 0.6 apg in 11 games)
C Erick Dampier (11.9 ppg, 11.5 rpg, 0.7 apg in 45 games)
Change in team outlook: +6.6 ppg, +4.2 rpg, and +0.9 apg.

TRADE ACCEPTED

Portland gets out of Wallace, and Patterson: and they aquire Walker, Delk, and Fortson...major coup if Wallace is gone at the end of the year anyway.
Golden State gets out of NVE contract, and gets the cap space for Wallace: They have to take Patterson though.
Dallas loses Walker, Delk, and Fortson: but gains a starting C, a legitimate backup PF, and a legitimate backup PG.

IMHO, this makes sense for all involved, and will push Dallas over the top as far as talent goes.

C Dampier 26, Bradley 16, Williams 6
PF Nowitzki 32, Murphy 16
SF Howard 18, Jamison 30
SG Finley 32, Daniels/Howard 8, Van Exel 8
PG Nash 32, Van Exel 12, Best 4

IR ICE, TAW, Eddie

Nellie would be in matchup nirvana....He could go big, small, etc. What a matchup nightmare.

Poindexter Einstein · 02-05-2004, 05:06 PM

DDH ....The HUGE problem I have with that, is you dont know what you get with NVE and Dampier.

Dampier, do you get the longterm stiff, or do you get the excellent C from this season?
NVE, do you get the electric contributor from last year in Dallas, or the creaky kneed overpaid backup in GS?

To me the key would be Dampier - if you KNEW he was going to be this good every year, BAM you jump all over that. But thats a huge risk, and you will be adding big bucks this summer to that gamble (when he opts out, and you pay him more to keep him) if you make it. Scary.