05-08-2004, 12:42 PM
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Dallas/Orlando Trade
Walker for Hill and Number 1
Why Dallas does it: It gives you a guaranteed top 5 pick and a possible 1 or 2. If they get a little luckyu and get Okafur then he is your new Center. I know I know it isn't his natural position, but I think he can play it. If you don't get Okafur there are a few other fairly interesting big men, but drafting them in the top 5 is likely to be a stretch outside of Howard who is likely a project.
Why Orlando does it: They can finally get out from under that Grant Hill contract and be almost 25MM under the cap next season.
Dallas:
PG: Nash/FA/Daniels
SG: Fin/Daniels
SF: Jamison/Howard
PF: Dirk/Okafur
C: Okafur/Bradley/FA
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05-08-2004, 01:09 PM
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RE:Dallas/Orlando Trade
I think Orlando might actually go for this--they've already got Gooden. Dallas might have to sweeten the pot a little though (Bradley or Howard would be enough to get it done).
But I don't want to do it unless Dallas then moves the number one for some player and a lower-level pick. I've had it with stockpiling power forwards, and I don't see a center or a guard worth using the No. 1 pick on. Instead, pick up a guard and draft a project big man--or vice versa. Just no more natural forwards.
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05-08-2004, 02:57 PM
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RE: Dallas/Orlando Trade
I looks good from an ownership standpoint. I just don't know how the Magic could sell it to their beleaguered fan base. Even in a weak draft, the no.1 pick gives the fans hope that they can land a franchise player. You can’t pacify Magic fans with future cap room...they had that before and look where it got them.
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05-08-2004, 09:18 PM
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RE:Dallas/Orlando Trade
I think Jamison would look more appealing to the Magic then Walker. The Magic finally get that 2nd REAL scorer they hoped for in Grant or in T-MAC for that matter.
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05-10-2004, 10:42 AM
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RE:Dallas/Orlando Trade
If I'm Orlando, I only do this for Walker and if I'm Dallas, I don't do it for anything more than Walker and taking on Hills contract and that it is #1. Dwight Howard is going to be a great player, but we can't wait, unless Cuban is looking long term. Danials/Howard/Howard would lengthen our run for more years where as right now, it is about 6 if Dirks ankles hold up. Okafur would make it 8, so I guess you gamble either way.
If Okafur is a 15pt/12brd/2.5blk guy but Howard is a 10pt/10brd/1.5blk guy for the first 2 years with each one slowing going up in boards and points, would it be worth it to take Howard?
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05-10-2004, 10:54 AM
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RE:Dallas/Orlando Trade
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Originally posted by: Stressboy
If I'm Orlando, I only do this for Walker and if I'm Dallas, I don't do it for anything more than Walker and taking on Hills contract and that it is #1. Dwight Howard is going to be a great player, but we can't wait, unless Cuban is looking long term. Danials/Howard/Howard would lengthen our run for more years where as right now, it is about 6 if Dirks ankles hold up. Okafur would make it 8, so I guess you gamble either way.
If Okafur is a 15pt/12brd/2.5blk guy but Howard is a 10pt/10brd/1.5blk guy for the first 2 years with each one slowing going up in boards and points, would it be worth it to take Howard?
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I think the only way you DON'T pick Okafor is if you take the No. 1 pick and turn around and trade it with a player to the Clips for Brand and their lottery pick, which you would then use to acquire either the young Sabonis pupil or perhaps a point guard of the future (Livingston, Harris, Nelson).
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05-10-2004, 11:54 AM
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RE:Dallas/Orlando Trade
Here's just an example of a scenario that would work, for talking purposes:
Trade Walker for Hill and the No. 1 pick.
Trade Jamison/No. 1 pick to LAC for Brand/their lottery pick.
Draft Jameer Nelson.
New roster:
C - Brand, Bradley, Fortson
PF - Nowitzki, Najera
SF - Howard, ???, Hill
SG - Finley, Daniels
PG - Nash, Nelson
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New roster if you only make the first trade:
C - Okafor, Bradley, Fortson
PF - Nowitzki, Najera
SF - Jamison, Howard, Hill
SG - Finley, Daniels
PG - Nash
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05-10-2004, 12:13 PM
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RE:Dallas/Orlando Trade
Who's the better defender, Brand or Okafor?
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05-10-2004, 12:13 PM
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RE:Dallas/Orlando Trade
I would love to do this trade with Orlando. I think Okafor is going to be great in this league. But surely the Magic do too? It's like someone else said, Okafor is the great hope from this draft. He could pacify Magic fans and help them win games right now all at the same time. If Orlando has an opportunity to draft him, I don't see how they pass him up - even with the Mavs offering to take Hill's contract.
Here's another problem with this idea. This trade would also give Orlando one more PF. They already have too many. Dallas might need to take back either Juwan Howard or Drew Gooden. I suppose Orlando may have a plan to move one of them out for a center in a different deal (Olowakandi?).
But wouldn't Orlando ask for one of the young kids too?
Like I said, I hope beyond hope that Dallas is able to get Okafor. He would be fantastic here. I just don't hardly see how it's possible without giving up a ton.
Now then, this deal becomes much more possible if Orlando can't draft Okafor. For instance, the Mavs might have a much easier time moving Walker for Hill and the pick if the pick is #3-5. The Mavs could still get someone to help like Perovic, Padkolzine, or whoever else is available (I haven't looked at this draft too much yet). But again, they might need to help alleviate Orlando's PF logjam.
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05-11-2004, 05:55 PM
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RE: Dallas/Orlando Trade
We don't have a first round pick this year. The C's got it.
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05-11-2004, 07:27 PM
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RE:Dallas/Orlando Trade
bummer, thanks
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05-11-2004, 09:05 PM
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RE: Dallas/Orlando Trade
i do this trade simply because Hill would do more in 15 min a game than Walker could do all game..
and thats even if Hill misses most of the season.
I believe Hill could stay healthy if he was sparingly worked into minutes. ANd i'd love so see him put in a Reggie Miller situation (if healthy) .
And if he is truly injured again, then eventually he would be an expiring contract. BUt to get a #1 for Walker, you do it
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05-12-2004, 09:20 AM
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RE:Dallas/Orlando Trade
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you're basically wasting another pick on the second coming of najera
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Wow.
I'll be happy to wager with you on this if you like.
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05-12-2004, 10:13 AM
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RE:Dallas/Orlando Trade
Emeka Okafor's game is nothing like Najera's.......Okafor actually has talent, najera is just so darn of a hard worker......Okafor is a hard - worker with talent......I could see him ending up with a career similar to Kenyon Martin's.....slow start (just being a good player) and then after a few years really being able to do some serious damage.......just not as flamboyant or infammatory as KMart......
I am all for Okafor....he is going to be a good player in this league......he is going to come in as a good defender with decent offensive talent....but he could develop into a pretty good offensive force, because he is SO smart, and a very hard worker.....he provides what we need
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05-12-2004, 01:45 PM
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RE:Dallas/Orlando Trade
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i do this trade simply because Hill would do more in 15 min a game than Walker could do all game..
and thats even if Hill misses most of the season.
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You, my friend, are as clueless as Stevie_Franchise. Hill would re-injure his Ankle in 15 minutes....... [img]i/expressions/rolleye.gif[/img]
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I believe Hill could stay healthy if he was sparingly worked into minutes. ANd i'd love so see him put in a Reggie Miller situation (if healthy) .
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What you believe and what *will* happen are two different things. For all we know, Hill could step onto the court and get injured again after 5 minutes of playing time. And please DON'T compare Reggie Miller's situation with Hill's. REggie can still go and is clutch....Hill can not.
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And if he is truly injured again, then eventually he would be an expiring contract. BUt to get a #1 for Walker, you do it
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DUH.
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05-12-2004, 01:59 PM
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RE: Dallas/Orlando Trade
i was being slightly sacrcastic, but i do believe Hill can make a comeback. And I didn't mean to dump on Walker, but I can't help it, he sucks as a Mav. He might be decent somewhere else, but he SUCKED in Dallas.
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05-12-2004, 03:09 PM
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RE:Dallas/Orlando Trade
I'd do the trade in a heart beat. And in Orlando Walker might actually be of some use. And just imagine if by some miracle Hill came back anywhere in the general neighborhood of his former self. It would be the steal of the century.
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05-13-2004, 08:13 AM
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RE:Dallas/Orlando Trade
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I'd do the trade in a heart beat. And in Orlando Walker might actually be of some use. And just imagine if by some miracle Hill came back anywhere in the general neighborhood of his former self. It would be the steal of the century.
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And just imagine if the Mavs could trade dirk For Shaq, Nash for Kobe, Fin for Malone..... [img]i/expressions/rolleye.gif[/img]
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05-14-2004, 12:37 AM
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RE:Dallas/Orlando Trade
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Originally posted by: LRB
I'd do the trade in a heart beat. And in Orlando Walker might actually be of some use. And just imagine if by some miracle Hill came back anywhere in the general neighborhood of his former self. It would be the steal of the century.
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And just imagine if the Mavs could trade dirk For Shaq, Nash for Kobe, Fin for Malone..... [img]i/expressions/rolleye.gif[/img]
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And just imagine if MightyToine could write something un-sarcastic, or not about Antoine Walker.
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05-14-2004, 12:29 PM
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RE:Dallas/Orlando Trade
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Originally posted by: mavs413
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Originally posted by: MightyToine
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Originally posted by: LRB
I'd do the trade in a heart beat. And in Orlando Walker might actually be of some use. And just imagine if by some miracle Hill came back anywhere in the general neighborhood of his former self. It would be the steal of the century.
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And just imagine if the Mavs could trade dirk For Shaq, Nash for Kobe, Fin for Malone..... [img]i/expressions/rolleye.gif[/img]
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And just imagine if MightyToine could write something un-sarcastic, or not about Antoine Walker.
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And just imagine that this whole thread was just imagined.
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05-14-2004, 12:45 PM
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RE: Dallas/Orlando Trade
if its on the table...do the deal!
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05-14-2004, 12:56 PM
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RE: Dallas/Orlando Trade
We need an ignore feature for the pathologically moronic.
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05-14-2004, 08:15 PM
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RE:Dallas/Orlando Trade
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We need an ignore feature for the pathologically moronic.
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I agree..... Drbio. *smirks*
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05-14-2004, 06:25 PM
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RE: Dallas/Orlando Trade
I'd do it in a nyminute. But orlando would be an idiot to do it. They've already suffered through the horrible season. If they get the number 1 pick with mcgrady they can wait until hill comes off the books for a free agent. I also think being under the cap is over-rated, the only way to really re-build in a bad market is to strip it clean and hope for draft picks to hit. But they already have their franchise player.
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05-15-2004, 08:06 AM
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RE: Dallas/Orlando Trade
Re: Walker for Hill and Number 1
Analysis: (1) I prefer Walker goes to Chi to net Chandler-Davis. (2) I dont want Hill's contract. (3) I think the Chi trade would help at C better than the #1 of Orlando would.
So I dont like this deal.
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