Who in the league is like Howard?

[Simon2]

I've been thinking of other swingmen who are as good defensively and I can think of a few. Artest comes to mind but he's a headcase. Bruce Bowen but I think Howard can guard more players because he is sligthly more athletic. Bowen might have the edge in offense though. Doug Christie maybe? I feel that the weakest link on the Mavs right now is the SF position. If Howard goes down, so goes the D. So, I was looking for a "poor man's" Howard or someone as good.

[bradleywillcrushyou44]

i always thought Tayshaun Prince was similar

[DubOverdose]

Originally posted by: bradleywillcrushyou44
i always thought Tayshaun Prince was similar

But people are scared of Josh. Josh has no fear, which I haven't seen from Tayshaun. The only dunks I've seen Tayshaun do are on the fast break, never in traffic like Josh.

[Simon2]

I was looking around and I thought George Lynch might be similar. Not as good anymore but could be a filler in the SF position. He makes 3 mil a year for 2 more years. Isn't Tayshaun a little taller too? Would Najera be considered similar to Josh?

[dirno2000]

Shawn Marion...similar in build, rebound prowess, defensive ability and energy. As Josh improves on the offensive end, the comparison becomes more and more valid.

…or maybe James Posey with better offense.

[sike]

who fears Josh?

[JLEEHASMUCHGAME]

Originally posted by: sike
who fears Josh?

garnett ... ok, I'm kidding, but I do think there are quite a few pg's that are a bit fearful of Howard.

[Simon2]

Like who and why?

Originally posted by: JLEEHASMUCHGAME

garnett ... ok, I'm kidding, but I do think there are quite a few pg's that are a bit fearful of Howard.

[birdsanctuary]

Originally posted by: sike
who fears Josh?

Kevin Garnett

[be easy]

the rook josh smith certainly has to be the best josh howard knock-off imo.

[FilthyFinMavs]

I think Shawn Marion but not with the shooting range yet.

[JLEEHASMUCHGAME]

Josh is a cross between Prince and Marion. But let's not forget he has a twin!

[JLEEHASMUCHGAME]

guys like marbury or jamal tinsley (while the pacers are depending on him) are good examples. Josh usually is manned up with the opposition's best player who is not 7 feet tall, and that often means he is manned up against pg's who don't seem to be able to do, well, anything against him. Take the NY game a couple of weeks ago. Crawford and Marbury were a combined 5-26 for 19 points, 9 assist, and 4 turnovers. I would say that is pretty much shut down defense to be feared, no?

[samoan-maverick]

dirno2000 is the closest with his Marion remark. It would be great if he can get to his level offensively but athletically it's Matrix all the way.

It would be nice if he can get a better build and become an Artest, that's not to far off. minus the attitude.

[birdsanctuary]

Ron Artest, but Howard gets a few more rebounds, Artest is a better shooter. Other than that, no one plays like Josh Howard.

[The Miles]

James Posey

[V2M]

Marion.

I'd say Marion's got better offense and may be slightly better defense. They both rebound very well. Josh has better ball-handling... especially lately he's been bringing the ball up after a defensive rebound and creating his own shot, kinda' like Daniels.

One aspect of Josh, I don't like is his passing. I don't understand, why he would never pass the ball on a fast break. And I don't know why the coaches don't get on him for that. Of course, it's the same issue with his twin, Daniels. *sigh*

[Poindexter Einstein]

Howard is a younger Kirilenko-type player. The style of play and stats and development are way similar.

[Stressboy]

PE just made the point that I was going to make Howard is a poor mans Kirilenko, becuse AK has a few inches on him and still very long. Prince is the other good example. I think that Howards offense game will eventually be equal to any of the other guys mentioned. He is a 20-10 guy waying to happen at the SF position.

Stressboy

[kg_veteran]

Originally posted by: Poindexter Einstein
Howard is a younger Kirilenko-type player. The style of play and stats and development are way similar.

With the exception of shotblocking, I think that's a pretty good comparison.

[sike]

Originally posted by: kg_veteran

With the exception of shotblocking, I think that's a pretty good comparison.

and remember, even though AK as the height advantage, Howard's wingspan probably makes up for it...Josh has the same wingspan as Bradley....that is rediculous

[jibikao]

Originally posted by: sike

and remember, even though AK as the height advantage, Howard's wingspan probably makes up for it...Josh has the same wingspan as Bradley....that is rediculous

You serious? Howard has the same wingspan as Bradley???

[samoan-maverick]

Hey does anybody realize Howard could start in the rookie-soph challenge???

G- Hinrich
G- Wade
F- Lebron
F- Howard
C- Kaman
C- Bosh
IL- Melo

he's the fourth best sophmore this season so he should start.

[sike]

Originally posted by: samoan-maverick
Hey does anybody realize Howard could start in the rookie-soph challenge???

G- Hinrich
G- Wade
F- Lebron
F- Howard
C- Kaman
C- Bosh
IL- Melo

he's the fourth best sophmore this season so he should start.

boy, that is turning out to be one fine draft...

[dirno2000]

As far as his temperament, he reminds me of a young Latrell Sprewell. Both were low 1st round picks by Don Nelson who never seemed phased by the transition to the NBA. From day one, Spree was an aggressive slasher and didn't back down from anyone and wasn't shy about putting the ball up when he was open. Josh was and is the same way. This’s what most impressed me about him last year.

[Simon2]

Would you say Manu and Howard are the same?

[sike]

no

[sike]

temperment and playing style are different things....
playing style may be similar, but their temperment seems (at this point) drastically different to me

[dirno2000]

I'd still go with temperament or the way they apporached the game. Remember, this was under Nellie and as far as I know, they didn't have any problems.

As far as playing style, Marion is the best comparison IMO.

[sike]

Howard and Spree may both approach the game with intensity, but their temperments are (or seem to be) at opposite ends of the spectrum...
if you are saying that Spree used to be a layed back easy going guy who had nothing but hard work and winning on his mind, then you may be right...but the temperment of the Spree of today is nothing like the Howard of today.

[dirno2000]

Originally posted by: sike
Howard and Spree may both approach the game with intensity, but their temperments are (or seem to be) at opposite ends of the spectrum...
if you are saying that Spree used to be a layed back easy going guy who had nothing but hard work and winning on his mind, then you may be right...but the temperment of the Spree of today is nothing like the Howard of today.

That's why I said a young Latrell Sprewell.

[sike]

I see

[sike]

yes sir....I am serious

[LordOfTheMavs]

I guess since last year, I was thinking Josh's upside would make him a Doug Chrissy/Shawn Marion type of player.

But after the way he has come along this year, he may end up being a ... dare I say ... Scottie Pippen type of player. That would take a lot more development. Mostly Josh would have to learn how to control his play the way Scottie did so that he becomes a ballhandler and a passer when needed.

[mavs413]

James Posey, Eric Williams, Al Harrington, Devean George, Shawn Marion.
I think Howard is better than all of them with the exception of Marion.

[seal614]

Marion is lightyears ahead of Howard. Howard is not a shotblocker of any sort. Marion is more freakishly athletic, but their perimeter skills are almost comparable.

I liken Howard to Andre Iguodala, although I think Andre has a slight edge as far as athleticism.

- Brian

[edit] after checking their stats I realized how similar they really are. I'm really curious to see what kind of player Iggy is going to be in this league. He's extremely versatile.

[EricaLubarsky]

Your Sixers homerism is showing.

[seal614]

haha Howard is nothing like Andre?!?! Just please look at #'s (use Josh's rookie if you will, he has improved greatly since). Tell me what you really think, don't just wench at me.

- Brian

~ I say numbers because I'm sure you will argue against any point I make about their styles of play. So I figure it's best if you look at something that will appear the same to me as it does to you. Everything down to their %'s are close. Very close. Scoring is all that separates them (unless of course you use Josh's rookie #'s) I'm really curious to see if you honestly think they are not very similar.

Who do you think gaurds the opposing teams best perimeter player? For the Mavs? For the sixers? Is there a reason for this?

[JLEEHASMUCHGAME]

The iggy-howard comparison seems fair enough to me. They both have similar frames and contribute similarly stat-wise. I can't say who is more athletic because I haven't watched Iggy play, but from what I've seen of Howard, Iggy would have to be quite the athlete to have the edge.

[samoan-maverick]

The only thing about the comparison is that we dont know what Josh will be, or Andre. But we know what Marion, Posey, Kirilenko(which i think is a horrible comparison AK47 > > > > Josh) and Artest are. That's why this comparison is as pointless as Brian Cook.