08-25-2008, 12:53 PM
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Predict Kidd's stats for 08/09!
I think hes to under the radar for next season I see him having a good year while helping the Mavericks become a threat for the title.
10.4PPG
6RPG
9APG
1.5SPG
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08-25-2008, 01:17 PM
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12-5-10-1.0
44% from the field.
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08-25-2008, 01:34 PM
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These predictions will look awfully similar to the above posts, but what the hey...
13.2 PPG
5.4 RPG
10.6 APG
1.2 SPG
43% from the field
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08-25-2008, 01:39 PM
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I am happy to see some rational opinions reagarding Kidd this year. Lately, it seems all anyone could focus on is that he did not dominate the olympics.
Upon watching the medal ceremony yesterday, I was wondering if everyone in Utah was demanding that the Jazz dump Boozer. I mean he couldn't get a lick of playing time and seemed to be behind Bosh and D. Howard on the depth chart. He must suck.
Anyway, I agree with the above posts and predict the following:
9 ppg
5 rpg
10 apg
1.3 spg
and 1 happy German
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08-25-2008, 02:26 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by littlelibo
I am happy to see some rational opinions reagarding Kidd this year. Lately, it seems all anyone could focus on is that he did not dominate the olympics.
Upon watching the medal ceremony yesterday, I was wondering if everyone in Utah was demanding that the Jazz dump Boozer. I mean he couldn't get a lick of playing time and seemed to be behind Bosh and D. Howard on the depth chart. He must suck.
Anyway, I agree with the above posts and predict the following:
9 ppg
5 rpg
10 apg
1.3 spg
and 1 happy German
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Good point with the Boozer thing. But I for one thing Kidd will have a great season. Go Mavs
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08-25-2008, 02:03 PM
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15/8/13
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08-25-2008, 02:24 PM
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8 ppg
8 apg
6 rpg
1.2 spg
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08-25-2008, 02:24 PM
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12ppg / 7rpg / 11apg / 1.5spg
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"It feels disrespectful when you watch these shows, TNT, ESPN, and they're talking, 'Walk through the Mavericks, that's who you want to play," Terry said. "OK. We'll see if that's who you want to play."
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08-25-2008, 02:30 PM
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points per game - 26
assists per game - 14
rebounds per game - 12
rocks I just smoked - 3
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08-25-2008, 03:40 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Underdog
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atta baby right on the money.
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08-25-2008, 03:44 PM
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I refuse.
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08-25-2008, 03:52 PM
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I think I'm going to use my old Devin Harris signatures this season...
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08-25-2008, 05:02 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Flacolaco
I think I'm going to use my old Devin Harris signatures this season...
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You just had to open that can of worms, didn't you?
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08-25-2008, 04:18 PM
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Jason Kidd
11.8 points
9.8 assists
6.2 rebounds
21+ million dollar expiring
Devin Harris
15.1 points
5.9 assists
3.1 rebounds
not a championship caliber PG
advantage: Kidd.
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08-25-2008, 05:39 PM
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The more I think about it the more I say to myself no team is going to be dumb enough to sacrifice so many players to create a $21 million dollar package for Jason Kidd's expiring contract unless we are taking back something awful in return as well. He's not trade bait... he's just cap relief.
And Harris has been just as close (well technically CLOSER) to a championship than Kidd has... food for thought when your saying he isn't a championship caliber point guard. A guy like Rondo can be a championship caliber PG on the right team, the question is if Kidd is right for this team. We're not winning the title this year as constructed so the answer is no.
Kidd's stats for next season... something around:
7.2ppg
8.8apg
5.5rpg
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08-25-2008, 06:11 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Tokey41
The more I think about it the more I say to myself no team is going to be dumb enough to sacrifice so many players to create a $21 million dollar package for Jason Kidd's expiring contract unless we are taking back something awful in return as well. He's not trade bait... he's just cap relief.
And Harris has been just as close (well technically CLOSER) to a championship than Kidd has... food for thought when your saying he isn't a championship caliber point guard. A guy like Rondo can be a championship caliber PG on the right team, the question is if Kidd is right for this team. We're not winning the title this year as constructed so the answer is no.
Kidd's stats for next season... something around:
7.2ppg
8.8apg
5.5rpg
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I think its safe to say that Rondo is as good of player..IMO at the point better then Harris overall. And last time I checked Jet was our starting pg whn we were in the finals.
You can spin this how ever you want, but Kidd gives us a better chance to win it all then harris did. And if it doesnt happen. We have money for next year to do good things.
But it will happen this year : ) Go Mavs
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08-25-2008, 08:19 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Tokey41
The more I think about it the more I say to myself no team is going to be dumb enough to sacrifice so many players to create a $21 million dollar package for Jason Kidd's expiring contract unless we are taking back something awful in return as well. He's not trade bait... he's just cap relief.
And Harris has been just as close (well technically CLOSER) to a championship than Kidd has... food for thought when your saying he isn't a championship caliber point guard. A guy like Rondo can be a championship caliber PG on the right team, the question is if Kidd is right for this team. We're not winning the title this year as constructed so the answer is no.
Kidd's stats for next season... something around:
7.2ppg
8.8apg
5.5rpg
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08-25-2008, 08:29 PM
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Originally Posted by longsufferingmavsfan
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for what????
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"It feels disrespectful when you watch these shows, TNT, ESPN, and they're talking, 'Walk through the Mavericks, that's who you want to play," Terry said. "OK. We'll see if that's who you want to play."
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08-25-2008, 05:43 PM
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Kidd will blow out his knee in the first game and end his career, but JJB will step up and go for:
13.4 ppg
8.9 apg
4 rpg
2.7 spg
We do still have JJB, right?
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08-25-2008, 06:09 PM
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Originally Posted by DavidDaMonkey
Kidd will blow out his knee in the first game and end his career
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See what kind of bad karma these kind of threads lead to?
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08-25-2008, 07:13 PM
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Originally Posted by sike
See what kind of bad karma these kind of threads lead to?
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But you didn't finish! JJB will have a breakout year! Then we can unload Kidd, keep JJB, and have huge cap relief! Its a success!!!!
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08-25-2008, 08:52 PM
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Ah, what the hell. Unless JT gets traded I think Carlisle will have a fairly easy time managing Kidd's minutes, so I'll say:
34 mpg
12.9 ppg
8.6 apg
7.2 rpg
2.6 topg
1.6 spg
.3 bpg
52.5% true shooting percentage
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08-25-2008, 05:44 PM
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9.4 points
8.2 assist
7.6 rebounds..
dats it..do not waiver..it will be all goooooood!!!
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08-25-2008, 07:25 PM
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100.0 ppg
100.0 rpg
100.0 asg
000.0 spg (there are no more stills in SC)
Hey Honey, bring me another drink, Mavs getting ready to wipe GS off the map!
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08-25-2008, 08:30 PM
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6.9 ppg
5.5 rpg
10.1 apg
1.2 spg
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08-25-2008, 09:50 PM
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Originally Posted by LonghornDub
6.9 ppg
5.5 rpg
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This is not very comforting coming from one of the bigger Kidd supporters on the board .
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08-25-2008, 10:13 PM
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Originally Posted by dirno2000
This is not very comforting coming from one of the bigger Kidd supporters on the board .
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Just being realistic, given his age and what not. I still think the trade had to be made, and I still think he's better than Harris.
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08-25-2008, 11:50 PM
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Originally Posted by LonghornDub
Just being realistic, given his age and what not. I still think the trade had to be made, and I still think he's better than Harris.
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Doesn't really matter if he's better than Harris. He's not better than Harris, Artest, and the player we could have added with our MLE had we not given up Diop's Bird rights.
I understand thinking it had to be done last year. After being dead set against it I bought in to that line of thinking myself. But with the benefit of hindsight, it's hard to argue that the trade didn't significantly cripple us going forward.
Kidd needs to put up better numbers than you're predicting and if he can't it takes Avery off the hook for his lack of production.
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08-26-2008, 12:26 AM
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Originally Posted by dirno2000
Doesn't really matter if he's better than Harris. He's not better than Harris, Artest, and the player we could have added with our MLE had we not given up Diop's Bird rights.
I understand thinking it had to be done last year. After being dead set against it I bought in to that line of thinking myself. But with the benefit of hindsight, it's hard to argue that the trade didn't significantly cripple us going forward.
Kidd needs to put up better numbers than you're predicting and if he can't it takes Avery off the hook for his lack of production.
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What makes you think all that would have happened.Stop going on these fantasy trips into the past.
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08-26-2008, 01:06 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by dirno2000
Doesn't really matter if he's better than Harris. He's not better than Harris, Artest, and the player we could have added with our MLE had we not given up Diop's Bird rights.
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Glad to be back, dirno
Just to play a bit of devil's advocate, there's at least two assumptions here that I think are debatable:
1) That the Mavs would have used the MLE (or at least a significant enough portion of it to land a player of consequence) after spending the money it cost to sign Diop. Time may tell the tale on this one. If they make a trade that entails significant LT costs in the short term, I'd take that as a strong indication that your assumption is correct and they probably would have gone hard after Posey with their MLE. Of course, it they do make such a trade, hopefully it'll bring a considerable talent upgrade that'll compensate for whatever the lack of spending flexibility over the summer might have cost them.
2) That the extra trade chips Dallas would have had available had they not made the Kidd trade would have been sufficient to beat the Rockets' best offer for Artest (which I'm assuming they didn't have to make in order to acquire him). Of course, even if those pieces hadn't been enough, it still would have been nice to have more to offer even if the net result was simply to drive up the price that the Rockets had to pay, not to mention to have a couple extra assets available to help in some other bidding war.
Also, since I'm not on record on the Kidd trade yet, I'll just throw out there that while I didn't really ever buy the "had to do it" line and was very sorry to lose Harris, a player I loved rooting for, reacquiring Kidd still got me pretty excited. I first started following the Mavs in his rookie year, and I've held his basketball talents in extremely high regard ever since. I thought (with perhaps a smidge of sentimental bias) that he deserved an MVP back when NJ was going to the finals, and I've long felt that he'd be an outstanding choice to play alongside Dirk. As for right now, I think the jury's still very much out on the trade. The team was in total disarray at the end of last season, and while I recognize that their post-season performance constitutes a strong argument for doubting their prospects this year, I really do think the break-down between Avery and the players was a huge reason for what I'd characterize as a rather dramatic underachievement. For that reason, I suspect I'm more optimistic than most about the impact Carlisle will have, and consequently I remain hopeful - pending a few questions about the supporting cast - that we'll at the very least get to see the Dirk and Kidd led Mavs put up the kind of fight next year that makes being a fan worthwhile.
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08-26-2008, 01:55 PM
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Originally Posted by dirno2000
Doesn't really matter if he's better than Harris. He's not better than Harris, Artest, and the player we could have added with our MLE had we not given up Diop's Bird rights.
I understand thinking it had to be done last year. After being dead set against it I bought in to that line of thinking myself. But with the benefit of hindsight, it's hard to argue that the trade didn't significantly cripple us going forward.
Kidd needs to put up better numbers than you're predicting and if he can't it takes Avery off the hook for his lack of production.
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I don't agree at all that he needs to put up better numbers than I'm predicting. I think those numbers will be quite sufficient if Howard produces at the level of which he's capable, Bass continues his strong upward development, etc.
More importantly, you're not really debating the issue. It doesn't really matter whether he's better than some hypothetical group of players that includes Artest, because Artest wasnt on the table then. The move only has relevance at the time it was actually made, not at some future point where several variables could have affected the decision-making. Plus, you're making some unwarranted assumption that not trading Kidd would have automatically resulted in us getting Artest, which obviously isn't true.
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08-25-2008, 09:20 PM
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gmc returns! Good to have you back.
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08-25-2008, 09:39 PM
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The more I think about it the more I say to myself no team is going to be dumb enough to sacrifice so many players to create a $21 million dollar package for Jason Kidd's expiring contract unless we are taking back something awful in return as well. He's not trade bait... he's just cap relief.
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This is a good point. Most players with contracts approaching Kidds are either about to expire or not on the trade block. It's going to be next to impossible to unload that contract without taking on a lot of garbage and the owner isn't in that business anymore. We better hope he gets it done on the floor because he's not trade bait, he's cap relief.
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08-25-2008, 09:45 PM
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Damn, gmc and I are pretty close with numbers... that is all I need to know.
Don't give me Rondo v. Harris talk. Pierce is the playmaker on the perimeter for Boston, we didn't have that pre-Kidd.
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08-25-2008, 09:56 PM
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12-5-8-1 40% fg
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08-25-2008, 10:10 PM
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if we had Avery I would predict his statline to read "DNP - Coach's decision"
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08-25-2008, 10:50 PM
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I predict that he will be better than last year.
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08-26-2008, 06:33 AM
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I predict that he will be better than last year.
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your sig looks just like my dirkinator sig
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08-26-2008, 10:42 PM
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your sig looks just like my dirkinator sig
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Really? I built it two years ago, hence the dead robo-Shaq I added to it after we got beat in the finals.
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08-26-2008, 12:11 AM
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So the majority of people still think that trade was a good one, hmmm?
I'm trying to do the math on these numbers....Kidd...offensive liability...say he's on the floor with George, Diop/Damp, Dirk, and Josh....who's going to score off those Kidd passes?
Dirk's going to have to average 40ppg to hit some these numbers you guys are throwing out.
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