Carlisle Doesn't Care Anymore - Dallas-Mavs.com Forums

Re-Dirk-ulous · 01-22-2009, 01:54 AM

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ty · 01-22-2009, 02:13 AM

He may have been analyzing basketball for so long that he forgot how to coach.

fluid.forty.one · 01-22-2009, 02:35 AM

Stop starting threads. This isn't clever.

Flacolaco · 01-22-2009, 02:41 PM

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Stop starting threads.

This.

vRookie · 01-22-2009, 07:29 AM

I don't think there is anything he is doing fundamentally wrong other than some substitutions maybe (but you can say that about every coach in the nba). This team is just not built right. It needs more talent. It's time we stopped blaming coaches and actually get some personale that can help you win games

SMC0007 · 01-22-2009, 11:42 AM

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I don't think there is anything he is doing fundamentally wrong other than some substitutions maybe (but you can say that about every coach in the nba). This team is just not built right. It needs more talent. It's time we stopped blaming coaches and actually get some personale that can help you win games

You can say that again.

Who knows what he's doing behind practice doors, and what the guys think about him or his coaching techniques etc. I just know he has failed at getting our young guys (Green) mins when they are available.

DevinHarriswillstart · 01-22-2009, 01:01 PM

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I don't think there is anything he is doing fundamentally wrong other than some substitutions maybe (but you can say that about every coach in the nba). This team is just not built right. It needs more talent. It's time we stopped blaming coaches and actually get some personale that can help you win games

Then why did he and the triumverate of the stupid that is our FO tell us all summer that our big three can match up with anyone's?

Carlisle should have told Donnie and Cuban that this team wasn't talented enough or built right and that changes were needed.

Nope. Instead he just went along with the stupids. What this organizsation needs is someone who goes against the grain of what Donnie/Cuban do. Someone who can put Cuban in his place now and then for the sake of the team.

mac222b · 01-22-2009, 06:03 PM

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Then why did he and the triumverate of the stupid that is our FO tell us all summer that our big three can match up with anyone's?

Carlisle should have told Donnie and Cuban that this team wasn't talented enough or built right and that changes were needed.

Nope. Instead he just went along with the stupids. What this organizsation needs is someone who goes against the grain of what Donnie/Cuban do. Someone who can put Cuban in his place now and then for the sake of the team.

Exactly.

Dirkgreatness · 01-22-2009, 12:55 PM

We like our team..... a lot.

horse900703 · 01-22-2009, 02:43 PM

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fluid.forty.one · 01-22-2009, 04:49 PM

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I concur.

darkwitzki · 01-22-2009, 03:15 PM

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you should've named the thread.."Cuban doesn't care anymore" , fits more to me..

Folterkammer · 01-22-2009, 04:54 PM

Don Nelson doesn't care anymore!

mavs777 · 04-26-2009, 04:36 AM

ttt

left texas · 04-26-2009, 05:41 AM

Maybe Belinda.

DubOverdose · 04-26-2009, 02:50 PM

Carlisle is coaching a great series. He's put our guys in a position to beat the Spurs even when we aren't playing our best. He has, what seems, everyone buying into the system. The role players know what they have to do when they come in. The younger guys got minutes throughout the regular season and can contribute at any moment. Good job.

BGMaverick9 · 04-26-2009, 04:25 PM

I wasn't doubting this next part, but it should be said:

Carlisle > Avery

The.End.

Lor20 · 04-26-2009, 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by BGMaverick9

I wasn't doubting this next part, but it should be said:

Carlisle > Avery

The.End.

in some aspects anyways. Carlisle seems to develop our players better (may also be kidd's influence), is clearly the better x and o guy and much better out of timeouts.
Avery was the better motivator but was very one dimensional.

fluid.forty.one · 04-26-2009, 05:58 PM

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Avery was the better motivator but was very one dimensional.

I guess.. but Rick has taken a team that had a lot of bad (recent) history together, a head case in Josh, a frustrated star in Dirk, a doom and gloom veil hanging over the mavs and what most seem to think was a franchise ruining trade and got everyone to all believe in the system and work together. At the very least, I think he had something to do with Josh pulling his head out of his ass.

The Mavs haven't been, in this series, five guys out there playing basketball. They are a team.

edit: to add on to that -- I absolutely LOVE how our bench stands up for large parts of the game.

sefant77 · 04-26-2009, 07:44 PM

Carlisle is so much better than Avery. And we all were pretty scared when one "control freak" came for the other one...

Josh:
He got the old Josh back. I have no idea how he did, but he did and fixed what Avery screw with his 1b-scorer-crap (and Avery was even yesterday on the half time show so proud about making Josh THE factor in Dallas, rofl). Josh is playing with a bad ankle and still take most of the time the drive instead of the jumper...wow. I think he really has a good hand with the "more complicated" players (Artest, JO).

Kidd:
He gave the control to Kidd. That was huge, specially for a coach that didnt do or didnt like it for his whole coaching career. Carlisle tried a lot in the first half of the season, also a lot of "his" stuff and saw it doesnt work with these players. And he didnt stick to it. Alltime classic: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cH5KlGKZIWg

Barea:
He gave Barea the trust and the playing time. He got the confidence that he need for playing "his" style. Well, i give also Kidd a lot of credit for the improved Barea.

Bench:
A bench full of young guys ready to come in and play hard. Im so glad we are away from a bench full of old jumpshooting veterans that come in and do the same stuff like the S5, just way worse (aka Spurs 2009). He gave everyone a legit chance, even Shawne Williams. Players play heavy minutes and going back to a lot of DNP but they know they will get back into the game. Thats why the bench is in so great mood. You see them all standing for what, 30mins a game? Even players deep in spot 10-12 (Green, Carroll, Hollins). Thats amazing and i heard several commentators from other teams realizing that when the mavs where in their town.

Bringing Darrell Armstrong in.

chumdawg · 04-26-2009, 09:02 PM

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Kidd:
He gave the control to Kidd. That was huge, specially for a coach that didnt do or didnt like it for his whole coaching career. Carlisle tried a lot in the first half of the season, also a lot of "his" stuff and saw it doesnt work with this players. And he didnt stick to it. Alltime classic: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cH5KlGKZIWg

LOL...thanks for the memories. Even Quinn Buckner couldn't coach as bad as that. That was Avery's worst moment as an NBA head coach...and that's saying a LOT.

Dirkenstien · 04-26-2009, 08:16 PM

Props to Carlisle. He has done wonders getting this team to perform. Avery said this team couldn't even make the playoffs without him. Carlisle led us to a 6th seed in an ultra competitive conference and now on the verge of a second round playoff birth.

No matter what the outcome of this season is Carlisle has done a great job.

BGMaverick9 · 04-26-2009, 10:03 PM

If motivation was the only intangible he had over Carlisle or one of the few...it's still:
Carlisle > Avery

The only thing you might see as an "ego trip" is thinking the 3 guard lineup rocks everybody's face off. You had a lot more problems in regards to ego when it came to Avery.

Carlisle has a track record of getting the best he can out of what he's got. He's definitely doing something right.

sefant77 · 04-26-2009, 10:45 PM

I also really really like the use of timeouts. Either to fix something that goes wrong or to kill a momentum for the other team.

And the direct plays after a timeout are mostly just really really good.

dude1394 · 04-26-2009, 11:08 PM

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I also really really like the use of timeouts. Either to fix something that goes wrong or to kill a momentum for the other team.

And the direct plays after a timeout are mostly just really really good.

And he doesn't just waste one 2 minutes into a game or quarter like the littlest napoleon did all of the time, not having timeouts at the end of games when needed.

chumdawg · 04-26-2009, 10:47 PM

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Originally Posted by BGMaverick9

If motivation was the only intangible he had over Carlisle or one of the few...it's still:
Carlisle > Avery

The only thing you might see as an "ego trip" is thinking the 3 guard lineup rocks everybody's face off. You had a lot more problems in regards to ego when it came to Avery.

Carlisle has a track record of getting the best he can out of what he's got. He's definitely doing something right.

Oh, geez...if he can stand upright he already has something over Avery.

Kidd Karma · 04-27-2009, 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by BGMaverick9

If motivation was the only intangible he had over Carlisle or one of the few...it's still:
Carlisle > Avery

The only thing you might see as an "ego trip" is thinking the 3 guard lineup rocks everybody's face off. You had a lot more problems in regards to ego when it came to Avery.

Carlisle has a track record of getting the best he can out of what he's got. He's definitely doing something right.

Carlisle has the experience of starting out like Avery, stubborn as a rock, and realizing this is a players league now. That was the main reason why he got booted from detroit. He brought the best of both Indy and Detroit to Dallas. WE are the beneficiaries of those experiences. His willingness to change his style even during midseason was a breath of fresh air. Him calling timeouts during bad stretches to make quick adjustments to change the flow of the game, helped us down the stretch in terms of keeping in contact with opponents.

BGMaverick9 · 04-26-2009, 11:03 PM

I'm sure he acknowledges what he does in it's actual pronunciation as well.

Coaching, not ko'aching

MavsX · 04-27-2009, 07:55 AM

avery will never coach in the NBA again. Mark my words

dirt_dobber · 04-27-2009, 09:50 AM

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avery will never coach in the NBA again. Mark my words

consider them marked!

I agree as well. It is very telling that he is not even being mentioned at all
for some of the openings right now. Sac. Kings, or the Washington hire
that went to Flip Saunders.

interesting..................

nowhereman · 04-28-2009, 12:26 AM

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avery will never coach in the NBA again. Mark my words

FAIL

TheMaverick · 04-27-2009, 11:24 AM

In all honesty, other than game 2 in which Popovich toyed with the Parker/Barea matchup variations, Carlisle has more than held his own against the best coach in the league in games 1, 3, and 4.

mavs777 · 04-27-2009, 09:46 PM

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In all honesty, other than game 2 in which Popovich toyed with the Parker/Barea matchup variations, Carlisle has more than held his own against the best coach in the league in games 1, 3, and 4.

Phil Jackson begs to differ

Dirkadirkastan · 04-28-2009, 01:56 AM

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Phil Jackson begs to differ

Let's see what he does on a team that doesn't have a Kobe or a Jordan first.

mavs777 · 04-29-2009, 04:21 PM

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Let's see what he does on a team that doesn't have a Kobe or a Jordan first.

Let's see what Pop will do with a team that doesn't have Duncan first.

LonghornDub · 04-28-2009, 02:01 AM

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Phil Jackson begs to differ

Pop is a better coach than Phil Jackson.

mqywaaah · 04-28-2009, 12:15 AM

Mavs fans doesn't care anymore.

left texas · 04-28-2009, 04:30 AM

Carlisle Doesn't Care Anymore~Re-Dirk-ulous

BGMaverick9 · 04-29-2009, 11:10 AM

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QUOTE OF THE NIGHT: “This is our players’ team. It’s not my team. It’s their team. It took on their personality and I’m really happy for that.’’ – Carlisle.

You people paying attention at home. ... Let's play "Compare and Contrast,'' shall we?

Quote after Game 5

SMC0007 · 04-29-2009, 11:12 AM

RC was good this series. He made a lot of good calls. I was glad that he didn't waste any time getting the 3 guard lineup out there as soon as they started full court pressing.