Your suggestions..

[Murphy3]

What should the Mavs do? Anyone with any type of intelligence at all would agree that the Mavs are in a bad situation...
1. The Nuggets are allowed to pound on any Mavs that takes the ball to the rim often with no call
2. The Nuggets are the recipients of many, many touch fouls when they take the ball to the rim.

What should the Mavs do? Some are upset about the complaining over the officials. Hell, I for one believe that all three officials should be caned after what I saw during the first half of game 1. But how do the Mavs attack Denver? Does anyone believe that if they're even more aggressive that the officials will begin to give the Mavs the benefit of the doubt on the defensive end? I question that considering how many ticky-tack fouls the nuggets were the beneficiary of.... Should the Mavs keep attacking the rim regardless of what's called and what is not?

I'm just curious.. Honestly, if the game is called similar to as it was in the first half of game 1, the Mavs are in deep trouble. I suppose the first thing to do is to not turn the ball over so much which turned into numerous fast break points..

But, what do they do?

[mmmfast]

Keep driving hard.
It may take some blood and it may take some injury but even referees cannot maintain blatant bias if the Mavs are throwing it up there on national tv over and over. Then again Wade got away with it long enough to win a championship.

It is a difficult spot.

[LSMF]

At this point we just have to hope that the officiating improves. We have to play agressive and Drive as much as we can and hopefully we are rewarded. We also have to hope that Refs call the games fair. If the games is going to be physical, then the refs have to call it both ways. If the game is going to be ticky-tack foul game, then that also must be called both ways.

If worst comes to worst and we don't get any calls, then we should bring J.J so he can Drive and dish. Its obvious the Nuggets are going to overplay and go for every shotblock, If J.J drives the Nuggets D will commit and all he has to is kick it out to the open shooter.

[Usually Lurkin]

Foul with the body, and sneer at someone afterward.
Don't foul with the hand while you are ducking away.

[peppersquad]

Cuban needs to get fined and big. He's the only one who can make a difference.

3 new refs will help.

Most importantly someone make sure JKidd isn't on the take from some bookie like he obviously was for game 1.

[Dirkenstien]

Feed Dirk every time down the floor and let him embarrass the hell out of them until we MAKE them double him and adjust to our style. Once they start doubling we'll have the clear advantage.

There isn't one player on that team that can guard Dirk. He needs to go out there with the mindset that he's going to score 100 and dare Denver to try and stop him.

And we need to play better defense. Make them hit jump shots. No more cuts to the basket, no alley oops, etc.

[purplefrog]

Go for the ball and knock a Thugget on his behind. If you're worried about suspensions, etc. then have Singleton and Hollins do to the dirty work. There's no other way to level the playing field in my opinion.

[Usually Lurkin]

Originally Posted by Dirkenstien

Feed Dirk every time down the floor and let him embarrass the hell out of them until we MAKE them double him and adjust to our style. Once they start doubling we'll have the clear advantage.

There isn't one player on that team that can guard Dirk. He needs to go out there with the mindset that he's going to score 100 and dare Denver to try and stop him.

And we need to play better defense. Make them hit jump shots. No more cuts to the basket, no alley oops, etc.

quoted cause its good

[92bDad]

Enough is enough...take it to Denver with full physical force.

I'm not talking about injuring anyone, but I am talking about being extremely physical.

If the refs call fouls against Dallas, then so be it...I would love to see EVERYONE on the Mavs FOUL OUT!!! Make sure that the level of officiating is so horrible that it forces the NBA to stop!!!

Heck, I think the fans should jump into the action when the games come back to Dallas.

BOOOO the officials and anytime anyone from the NBA office is seen, launch the verbal booing!!! If I recall, back in the old days, when a play was being performed and the performance was horrible, the audience would throw rotten food at the actors on the stage. So, use the rotten food from the arena and throw it at the refs!!!

Again...NO FIGHTS...but make a huge statement!!!

Force the NBA to either CALL the fouls...or kick the Mavs out of the league...it doesn't matter!!!

[Dirkadirkastan]

Originally Posted by 92bDad

Enough is enough...take it to Denver with full physical force.

I'm not talking about injuring anyone, but I am talking about being extremely physical.

I wouldn't mind seeing J. R. Smith injured.

[DevinHarriswillstart]

Originally Posted by 92bDad

Enough is enough...take it to Denver with full physical force.

I'm not talking about injuring anyone, but I am talking about being extremely physical.

If the refs call fouls against Dallas, then so be it...I would love to see EVERYONE on the Mavs FOUL OUT!!! Make sure that the level of officiating is so horrible that it forces the NBA to stop!!!

Heck, I think the fans should jump into the action when the games come back to Dallas.

BOOOO the officials and anytime anyone from the NBA office is seen, launch the verbal booing!!! If I recall, back in the old days, when a play was being performed and the performance was horrible, the audience would throw rotten food at the actors on the stage. So, use the rotten food from the arena and throw it at the refs!!!

Again...NO FIGHTS...but make a huge statement!!!

Force the NBA to either CALL the fouls...or kick the Mavs out of the league...it doesn't matter!!!

Good post.

I agree. The Mavs can't stand around and cry about it to the refs the whole game. Just be as physical as possible but play smart. Make the refs and the NBA look bad. If the refs call the fouls, so be it. I'd rather the Mavs be the more physical team since they are not as talented as Denver.

No crappy touch fouls though.

[LSMF]

Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

Good post.

I agree. The Mavs can't stand around and cry about it to the refs the whole game. Just be as physical as possible but play smart. Make the refs and the NBA look bad. If the refs call the fouls, so be it. I'd rather the Mavs be the more physical team since they are not as talented as Denver.

No crappy touch fouls though.

I really can't understand why everyone thinks we will be allowed to get "Physical". They were calling touch fouls and phantom fouls out there. What do you think is gunna happen if we start playing physical? Guys are gunna start fouling out. The refs simply aren't gunna let us play that style. And I don't even think that style favors us to be honest.

[SMC0007]

Originally Posted by longsufferingmavsfan

I really can't understand why everyone thinks we will be allowed to get "Physical". They were calling touch fouls and phantom fouls out there. What do you think is gunna happen if we start playing physical? Guys are gunna start fouling out. The refs simply aren't gunna let us play that style. And I don't even think that style favors us to be honest.

The point is we are getting touch fouls, turn those into hard fouls. At least make them count. You can't say that the refs aren't gonna let us play that style. Sounds pretty pitiful.

[NugsFan]

Originally Posted by 92bDad

Enough is enough...take it to Denver with full physical force.

I'm not talking about injuring anyone, but I am talking about being extremely physical.

If the refs call fouls against Dallas, then so be it...I would love to see EVERYONE on the Mavs FOUL OUT!!! Make sure that the level of officiating is so horrible that it forces the NBA to stop!!!

Heck, I think the fans should jump into the action when the games come back to Dallas.

BOOOO the officials and anytime anyone from the NBA office is seen, launch the verbal booing!!! If I recall, back in the old days, when a play was being performed and the performance was horrible, the audience would throw rotten food at the actors on the stage. So, use the rotten food from the arena and throw it at the refs!!!

Again...NO FIGHTS...but make a huge statement!!!

Force the NBA to either CALL the fouls...or kick the Mavs out of the league...it doesn't matter!!!

wow, stay classy Dallas

[alphamav]

Protect the ball and limit the turnovers would be the best place to start. Poor officiating or not, our Mavs aren't going to win on the road with poor ball handling. A defensive tweak on Nene is also a needed adjustment.

[SMC0007]

Why not just stand around and throw the ball away every other possession and as the game progresses just keep launching jumpshot after jumpshot. Then on defense keep reaching in and not bother to move their feet. When they DO have to foul make it soo weak that everyone not a Nugget fan disagrees and becomes disgusted and blames mostly the officiating. Then after the blowout they can complain about the officials and we can come in here and talk about how bad the game of basketball ball in general has gotten because we got the bad calls in game 1. Maybe we can get this board looking like the Spurs board if we keep up the conspiracy stuff.

Regardless of Stern, Crawford or the Nuggets thuggish ways, they have to strap it up and take it to the hole without fear! Jho, Dirk, JEt, Kidd, all of them have to be agressive. F them attitude, foul hard when they bring their mess in the paint. Make the fouls count, punch first etc. We got some poor calls that game IMO but they were more agressive period so we can't say we left it ALL out on the court and the officials took it away. Thats not right. The only way to approach this series from here out and we are already one game late is to attack and not worry about the shot blockers, get to their body, make contact and get to the foul line consistently. The good thing is they can start tomorrow and it is only one game. Obviously this is where you go hard or go home!

[mav4ever]

if denver is going to go to the line 36 times no matter what, get your moneys worth and start sending enforcers in.

go for the ball with your hand and their head with your elbow.

they are getting their ft attepts. inflict some damage.


if we had done this in the finals, the mavs would have rings.

wade has firmly established himself as a total pussy and if he eats some elbows hes gonna be a spectator.

the nuggets arent as pussy as wade, no one in the league is, but hell, if they are going to get the whistle, make them earn it.

[nuggetsbrick]

First thing you have to do is send one of your young reserve centers at Nene. Nene gets frustrated easily and is prone to foul trouble. He also gets called for traveling once or twice a game. That will mean Bird has to play extended minutes and he's not going to play like he did yesterday every night.

And your guards have to take care of the ball. Your guards are good so I don't expect so many turnovers next time.

And quit being such whiny bitches.

[Rick41]

Originally Posted by nuggetsbrick

And quit being such whiny bitches.

lol.

[darkwitzki]

Originally Posted by nuggetsbrick

First thing you have to do is send one of your young reserve centers at Nene. Nene gets frustrated easily and is prone to foul trouble. He also gets called for traveling once or twice a game. That will mean Bird has to play extended minutes and he's not going to play like he did yesterday every night.

And your guards have to take care of the ball. Your guards are good so I don't expect so many turnovers next time.

And quit being such whiny bitches.

Squeeze his balls when he takes it to the hole!

[bobatundi]

Originally Posted by darkwitzki

Squeeze his balls when he takes it to the hole!

I believe Nene only has one left to squeeze.

[ryttingm]

Before you start complaining about the refs, take a closer look at the data. In game 1 Dallas took a total of 82 shots with 60 of those shots being jumpers at a rate of 72%. The nuggets on the other hand took a total of 73 shots with 39 being jumpers at a rate of 53%. Denver was clearly more aggressive taking the ball to the hole. These numbers don't even take into account the times that the person was fouled. The nuggets spent a lot more time attacking the basket and were rewarded by going to the foul line. Nuggets have lead the league all year in FT attempts because of their aggressive attacking offense, nothing has changed here.

[johnnydb]

Originally Posted by ryttingm

Before you start complaining about the refs, take a closer look at the data. In game 1 Dallas took a total of 82 shots with 60 of those shots being jumpers at a rate of 72%. The nuggets on the other hand took a total of 73 shots with 39 being jumpers at a rate of 53%. Denver was clearly more aggressive taking the ball to the hole. These numbers don't even take into account the times that the person was fouled. The nuggets spent a lot more time attacking the basket and were rewarded by going to the foul line. Nuggets have lead the league all year in FT attempts because of their aggressive attacking offense, nothing has changed here.

Great points - finally realizing what really happened last night, rather than blaming the refs for the loss.

[cinemablend]

Originally Posted by ryttingm

Before you start complaining about the refs, take a closer look at the data. In game 1 Dallas took a total of 82 shots with 60 of those shots being jumpers at a rate of 72%. The nuggets on the other hand took a total of 73 shots with 39 being jumpers at a rate of 53%. Denver was clearly more aggressive taking the ball to the hole. These numbers don't even take into account the times that the person was fouled. The nuggets spent a lot more time attacking the basket and were rewarded by going to the foul line. Nuggets have lead the league all year in FT attempts because of their aggressive attacking offense, nothing has changed here.

What you're missing is WHY the Mavs didn't take it to the hole more. They tried, they tried a lot in the first half. When they did, they'd get hammered, ended up on the floor (sometimes before they could even get a shot up), no foul would be called, and Denver would run off down the floor on a breakaway.

Now how many times do you do that before you give up and try something else?

[Underdog]

Originally Posted by cinemablend

What you're missing is WHY the Mavs didn't take it to the hole more. They tried, they tried a lot in the first half. When they did, they'd get hammered, ended up on the floor (sometimes before they could even get a shot up), no foul would be called, and Denver would run off down the floor on a breakaway.

Now how many times do you do that before you give up and try something else?

Is it 2006 again?

[johnnydb]

Interesting article

http://www.google.com/hostednews/can...nttlahpfWtNiPg

So, the Dallas Mavericks want to toughen up to hang with the NBA's new "Bad Boys"?

Dirk Nowitzki knows better. "I don't think we can play as physical as them. We don't have the personality for it," Dallas' centre acknowledged Monday, 24 hours after getting knocked around like a pinball in a 109-95 loss to Denver.

The rough-and-tumble Nuggets were quicker, stronger, tougher and much more athletic than the Mavericks in the opener of their second-round series that left Dallas' players grabbing more bags of ice than usual and their coach threatening to rat out the officials to the league.

On Monday, Dallas coach Rick Carlisle backed down, declaring: "The officials didn't lose the game for us yesterday. We lost the game because we turned the ball over too much and we were too soft in our physical disposition."

So, the Mavericks have been searching for ways to match Denver's aggression.

The thing is, the Mavericks are a team of jump-shooters, they don't attack the rim like the Nuggets do.

So, Nuggets coach George Karl is expecting the Mavericks to tighten the screws in other areas in Game 2 Tuesday night.

"I think they can fine-tune some little things, but if they're going to change their personality on who they are, I don't think that's the way to beat us," Karl said.

"I think you've come here, you've built yourself on some damn good players playing a style, and you can tinker with that, and I think they will."

Carlisle didn't tip his hand, but Karl said he expects the Mavs to put Antoine Wright or James Singleton on the floor more often to keep a defender on both Carmelo Anthony and J.R. Smith.

The Nuggets forced 20 turnovers in Game 1, outshot the Mavericks 36-13 from the foul line, outhustled them 29-4 on fastbreak points and outmuscled them 58-30 in the paint.

So, why not drive to the hoop more often?

"We don't have the personality they do physical-wise," Nowitzki said. "We've just got to pick it up a little bit in that area, be stronger with the ball, even if we have a smaller lineup out there.

"Just got to get ready. If you're ready to be hit and not be surprised by it, I think we're better off."

Plus, one of Dallas' best slashers is Josh Howard, who is now playing on two sprained ankles that limit his cutting ability.

The Mavericks say they have to ratchet up their aggression, but will buffing up their game play right into the Nuggets' hands?

"Our big expression is they are jump shooters, we are scorers," Karl said. "We want to make them try to penetrate and try to be scorers and make decisions."

And more mistakes.

Dallas sixth man Jason Terry said the Mavericks have no choice but to stand up to the bullying.

"That's the type of game that's going to win the series," Terry said. "If you look at winning, championship basketball, it's all about who's the aggressor.

"Coming off the San Antonio series where we were the aggressor, we came in here and we were kind of on our heels."

And backs.

"Look for us to be in the attack mode from the tip tomorrow night," Terry said.

"We're going to be a lot more aggressive tomorrow, too," countered Nuggets floor leader Chauncey Billups.

Karl said he knows the Nuggets are going to get Dallas' best shot in Game 2.

"My whole feeling is tomorrow night will be as hard as Dallas will play against us unless we have a Game 7," Karl said. "I think they all know how important the game will be.

"I don't think they want to try to win four out of five games against us."

Karl, however, laughs at the notion that the Nuggets are the NBA's new Bad Boys like Bill Laimbeer's Detroit Pistons of the 1980s, even though Kenyon Martin was fined US$25,000 for throwing Nowitzki to the floor in the first quarter Sunday.

"I think we're an aggressive team," Karl said. "I kind of think it's funny that we're being called the bully, tough-minded team that last year was labelled the emotionally chaotic, dysfunctional team."

[ray_sir_6]

Originally Posted by mmmfast

Keep driving hard.
It may take some blood and it may take some injury but even referees cannot maintain blatant bias if the Mavs are throwing it up there on national tv over and over. Then again Wade got away with it long enough to win a championship.

It is a difficult spot.

Yeah, Wade and the Heat, and then Davis and GS did it. Those two series made me sick. I still remember one play where Terry was guarding Davis, and he was not even within arms reach, and he turned around BEFORE Davis shot the ball, and then they hit Terry with a foul. You could barely see Terry in the replays, and definitely no contact, cause, like I said before, he wasn't within arms-reach!

[Kidd Karma]

Originally Posted by cinemablend

What you're missing is WHY the Mavs didn't take it to the hole more. They tried, they tried a lot in the first half. When they did, they'd get hammered, ended up on the floor (sometimes before they could even get a shot up), no foul would be called, and Denver would run off down the floor on a breakaway.

Now how many times do you do that before you give up and try something else?

Foul differential 29-19? There were definitely a handful of fouls we didn't get in the first half, which discouraged us from attacking, it's the nature of the game. I felt the non flagrant call on KMart changed the tide of the game, the refs were swallowing the whistles on one side and didn't use it on the other....out of sheer reputation decided the game. I also felt the non calls should have escalated at least for the Mavs, take a swing or an extra shove when you go to the hole, grab a leg while you're on the ground. when you set a pick, grab the guy's jersey, force the issue with the refs, don't curl up, got to toughen up. Dampier should have at least gotten into KMart's face, or even Kidd. Different game, different night, different refs. Denver won jungle ball, lets see what we get in Game 2.

[NewMexiMav]

My suggestion:

Dirk needs to cover every square inch of his body with tatoos, develop a bad drug habit, gel his hair up to a spike, learn some gang signs, and don a headband and a shooting sleeve. The TNT crew will love him and the refs will respect him.

[alexamenos]

I think the mavs should massively re-tool their roster before game two if they want to make any meaningful adjustment.

I think the disparity in fouls called and free throws attempted stems more from a great disparity in athleticism than any other factor. When Nene is running down the middle of a wide open lane, and most of the mavericks team is diving out of his way, it's hard for the mavs to commit any kind of foul that isn't a ticky tack foul....

....conversely, when 5 or 6 nuggests seemingly converge upon dirk instantaneously and on all sides of him, things tend to get pretty physical because they are in good position not because there beating upon him vigoursly....

that is, fouls are more related to footwork than physicality.

also, any [colorful expletive deleted] nugget troll who may be inclined to agree with me should first shove his head in an oven and turn the gas up really, really high.

[Underdog]

Originally Posted by alexamenos

I think the mavs should massively re-tool their roster before game two if they want to make any meaningful adjustment.

Winner...

[SMC0007]

Originally Posted by alexamenos

When Nene is running down the middle of a wide open lane, and most of the mavericks team is diving out of his way, it's hard for the mavs to commit any kind of foul that isn't a ticky tack foul....

....conversely, when 5 or 6 nuggests seemingly converge upon dirk instantaneously and on all sides of him, things tend to get pretty physical because they are in good position not because there beating upon him vigoursly....

that is, fouls are more related to footwork than physicality.

I think it's our mentality. Dallas doesn't many starters that are going to think hard foul as a first reaction, putting guys on the floor for barrelling down the paint just isn't an instinct for our guys. So until they are frustrated things like Nene blowing down the lane for a dunk with at most a wrist swipe is normal.

Denver may have better positioning but I believe we have been in great position to drop them in the paint and get our moneys worth on fouls. It just needs to be brought up to the forefront by coaches more often than other teams.

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[Murphy3]

The whole athletic thing is more than a bit bogus. A foul is a foul... especially when they're obvious calls. Sure, sometimes the speed of the game can make it more difficult to officiate.. but an obvious foul should be called.

And yes, the tag about hidding via the miracle of the tag is mine.

[Underdog]

Originally Posted by Murphy3

And yes, the tag about hidding via the miracle of the tag is mine.

I tagged a thread once...

(and I have no idea who mentioned MY name in the tags - it was probably me...)

[GermanDunk]

Originally Posted by Underdog

I tagged a thread once...

(and I have no idea who mentioned MY name in the tags - it was probably me...)

Ah, but you are not a mod

[AxdemxO]

I think you play

Damp/Hollins
Dirk
Josh/Wirght
Jet
Kidd for as long as you can without killing them. 40+ minutes for everyone and then Wright and Hollins get the rest...maybe some JJ

Like everyone say foul hard...having said all that I dont thin that we are in as much trouble because like I said before I just dont see Kidd having 8 TO again. Half of the TOs the team had were not really forced..soo cut down on the TOs and play smart and we should be OK

[Big Shot Rob]

Drive to the basket more and dare the refs to call game two as badly as they did game one.

[dalmations202]

If you want to show the league, then you have to have an enforcer that is expecting to get suspended.

The only way to show Stern that you want it officiated fairly is to injure a star, so that people are agast at what happened. Expect the suspension. Expect the fine.

If you tell Stern that if he won't have it officiated fairly, that you will resolve the issue, then have player X fall on Star Y........which will cause the ratings to go way down because Star Y isn't playing now -- then you will get some action from the league.

As it is -- the league will control the outcomes, just like they have for years. It makes business sense. It makes money. And frankly, as long as they make money, then they don't care because "IT IS A BUSINESS". Players tell you this many times a year, and fans don't listen.

[cinemablend]

Originally Posted by dalmations202

If you want to show the league, then you have to have an enforcer that is expecting to get suspended.

The thing is, almost every player on Denver is an enforcer and they're pretty much allowed to do whatever they want and they don't have to worry about fouls or suspension.

On the other hand, assuming Dallas did have 1 enforcer, that guy would instantly foul out and get suspended for doing the same things. That's what has ALWAYS happened to Dallas whenever anyone on the team steps up to try and fill that role. Heck, Ryan Hollins got called just for celebrating his dunk in the general vincinity of Tim Duncan. Imagine if he'd actually give him a hard foul.

[tcat075]

Unforced errors must go. No more stupid turnovers. Realize that its OK to give the ball to Dirk every single time down the floor, if he's hot or if he's making the right passes.

Reffing did not lose us the game. It was bad, real bad, but how do you explain the turnovers and whatnot?