08-07-2009, 09:49 AM
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Warning...Do NOT click on this thread if you are easily frightened.
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08-07-2009, 10:22 AM
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You must spread some rep!!!
That is freakin brilliant!!!
The scary part, given another post on another thread regarding "Unions being rallied to challenge the town hall meetings"
I can only Pray that the left doesn't spark some type of violence and blame the right.
Amazing how the left can protest and it's okay, but when the right does it it's wrong. The Left is so full of themselves.
No wonder Americans are concerned about losing their freedoms...those in power are not listening, but rather they are dictating.
Obviously emotions between the Right and the Left are extremely high and I would guess fairly volatile (SP?) Then you have a pink elephant running around the room just waiting to explode. The racial element behind Democrat/Republicans.
Things are heating up and America is quite frankly divided along both real and perceived lines. Many on the right are afraid to speak up because they may get labeled "Racist" simply for having a different view point from the left. Some on the left and some in the African-American community are afraid to speak out and be labeled an "Uncle Tom"
What are the solutions?
How do we get away from the politics of race and get down to the real issues? I'm not discounting race as an issue, simply stating that race is being abused and thus clouding the debate over ideological differences.
Do we stand a glimor of hope in finding a peace in this country, or are those days gone?
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08-07-2009, 11:40 AM
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I generally avoid any political discussions over the internet as it seems as though there's no way to see eye to eye with anyone that isn't 100% the same as you, but does any of this ever get old to people?
It just seems like it's nothing but a bunch of left/right propaganda just fighting each other. It's watching two teenagers fight in the back yard when the UFC is organizing new events behind their backs. Fox News, CNN, ABC, etc. are all just feeding off of this foolishness and contorting stories to feed the loud/useless beast in the corner that's just tied up and never doing anything even remotely productive.
Sorry, just had to vent for a moment. Continue thread.
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08-07-2009, 07:23 PM
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I generally avoid any political discussions over the internet as it seems as though there's no way to see eye to eye with anyone that isn't 100% the same as you, but does any of this ever get old to people?
It just seems like it's nothing but a bunch of left/right propaganda just fighting each other. It's watching two teenagers fight in the back yard when the UFC is organizing new events behind their backs. Fox News, CNN, ABC, etc. are all just feeding off of this foolishness and contorting stories to feed the loud/useless beast in the corner that's just tied up and never doing anything even remotely productive.
Sorry, just had to vent for a moment. Continue thread.
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08-07-2009, 03:09 PM
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That's kind of Ironic because our vets get the best health care in the US, and it happens to be socialized. Scary!
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08-07-2009, 03:24 PM
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That's kind of Ironic because our vets get the best health care in the US, and it happens to be socialized. Scary!
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I've heard horror stories about the VA systems, but maybe it's just a few crappy hospitals making headlines.
I heard another ironic part is that many seniors know Medicare will be insolvent in a decade or so... and they worry that universal health care will only accelerate the timetable by putting too many mouths to the already barren teat, hurting their short-term care.
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08-07-2009, 03:37 PM
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So this is the land of the free, home of the brave. Where only a fraction are allowed to live?
The people in the "mob" are the selfish bunch that already have care for themselves.
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08-07-2009, 07:32 PM
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So this is the land of the free, home of the brave. Where only a fraction are allowed to live?
The people in the "mob" are the selfish bunch that already have care for themselves.
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How do you know that? Just because they are against Obama's health care means they already have care for themselves? That's sorta hogwash isn't it? Sure anyone who is 65 has medicare (like every other 65 year old in the country). But there are probaply quite a few there who are busting their rear to get by and get healthcare who aren't interested in having the government run all health care.
Yeah...yeah...yeah..mavie will say that's not in the plan...yet. Once this is passed a nice little change industry to it will begin.. And the government has NEVER shrunk itself. Way too many votes to be made.
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08-07-2009, 08:51 PM
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How do you know that? Just because they are against Obama's health care means they already have care for themselves? That's sorta hogwash isn't it?
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Hogwash? I'm not so sure. Recently a woman at a town hall meeting asked everyone "If you have health care already, please raise your hand" nearly everyone rose their hands, excluding maybe 2-3 people. It was on CNN, but sadly not on youtube so I can't link it.
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08-08-2009, 04:16 AM
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But there are probaply quite a few there who are busting their rear to get by and get healthcare who aren't interested in having the government run all health care.
Yeah...yeah...yeah..mavie will say that's not in the plan...yet. Once this is passed a nice little change industry to it will begin.. And the government has NEVER shrunk itself. Way too many votes to be made.
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08-07-2009, 03:54 PM
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That's kind of Ironic because our vets get the best health care in the US, and it happens to be socialized. Scary!
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Ever been to a Vet hospital? Know anyone who actually uses a vet hospital?
Best health care in the US??? by who's standards?
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08-07-2009, 07:35 PM
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Ever been to a Vet hospital? Know anyone who actually uses a vet hospital?
Best health care in the US??? by who's standards?
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Quite a stretch. I don't think Teddy Kenndy went to a VA hospital. VA hospitals are NOT the best health care in the US I don't think.
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08-07-2009, 03:24 PM
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Republican jokes are always lame.
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08-10-2009, 09:07 AM
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08-10-2009, 07:11 PM
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I've never seen a thread summed up so beautifully.
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I'm a college graduate that's working part time at best buy to try and use as a stepping stone towards a better job whilst having health issues that I can't afford to get checked out (as recommended) due to not having health insurance. I'm still against nationalizing health care.
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there's civil discourse, and then there is the type of confrontation these events are seeing. screaming and yelling is not the right way, no matter which side of the issue they're on
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Lawmakers Rethink Town Halls
By JANET ADAMY and NAFTALI BENDAVID
The health-care debate was supposed to play out at rallies and inside gymnasiums when lawmakers headed home for the August recess.
But after a series of contentious town-hall meetings, some Democratic lawmakers are thinking twice about holding large public gatherings. Instead, they are opting for smaller sessions, holding meetings by phone or inviting constituents for one-on-one office hours.
Democrats have accused Republicans of manufacturing the opposition by organizing groups to attend the events and encouraging disruptive behavior. Republican organizers say the unrest reflects genuine anger about the proposed health-care changes.
"Democrats may think that attacking or ignoring this growing chorus of Americans is a smart strategy, but they are obviously forgetting that these concerned citizens are voters as well," said Paul Lindsay, a spokesman for the National Republican Congressional Committee, the House GOP's campaign arm.
Rick Scott, who leads Conservatives for Patients' Rights, a group that has helped publicize the local meetings, said: "The polls reveal the real picture of what is happening across the country -- people are genuinely concerned, some are genuinely angry, and they are expressing themselves."
The Senate on Friday headed home for a monthlong break after progress stalled on passing sweeping health-care legislation. House members, whose break started a week ago, have been hit with a flood of inquiries about the legislation since they arrived home.
Rep. Ann Kirkpatrick (D., Ariz.) on Thursday canceled her public schedule for the day after a "Chat with Ann" session at a Safeway grocery store in Holbrook, Ariz., turned rowdy.
A video of the meeting showed a woman shouting, "You don't appreciate our frustration!" Ms. Kirkpatrick cut the session short after 15 minutes and headed to her car, trailed by a jeer of "What a nitwit!"
Rep. Tim Bishop (D., N.Y.) stopped holding town-hall meetings after a June event. Footage of the meeting showed participants screaming questions at Mr. Bishop, then repeatedly shouting him down when he tried to respond. At times, Mr. Bishop would begin to respond to a question and a participant would yell, "Answer the question!" At one point Mr. Bishop yelled back, "I'm trying to!"
Police were summoned as several dozen protesters followed Mr. Bishop to his car. Now Mr. Bishop, who has held 100 town-hall meetings during his tenure, has just one scheduled for the August recess, and his office is wrestling with how to ensure it will be civil and orderly.
"I'm seeing the same clips everyone else is of these meetings that are turning into near-riots," said Jon Schneider, Mr. Bishop's district director. "Obviously we don't want that to happen." He added that the congressman is talking to voters in other ways.
Rep. Brian Baird (D., Wash.) also said the raucous nature of recent meetings about health care caused him to steer away from the events, if only because they aren't productive when so many people are shouting.
"I'm not a coward, but neither am I a fool," said Mr. Baird. "There is a real concern right now about this nationwide campaign of intimidation and disruption that I think is troubling," he said. "It's getting dangerous."
Several lawmakers said they aren't canceling large, public events that have already been planned.
Some Democrats who have seen the sharpest attacks say that has made them more determined not to back away from public meetings. Rep. Lloyd Doggett (D., Texas), who was recently heckled over health care at a supermarket, said he would attend a veterans-center opening, a community-health event and a meeting with Austin public school teachers in coming days.
"The apparent focus was to kind of create this impression that you could run me [and] supporters of this out of Dodge," he said. "That's not what is going to happen."
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08-10-2009, 09:06 AM
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does anyone else here use an HMO? (I do, I use Kaiser.)
Do you think its a nightmare?
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08-10-2009, 09:24 AM
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does anyone else here use an HMO? (I do, I use Kaiser.)
Do you think its a nightmare?
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I used to use Kaiser back in the late 90s. Nightmare doesn't even begin to describe what I had to go through. I felt like my choice wasn't even factored in on how I was going to take care of myself. I take Insulin.... they not only changed my brand of insulin that I was using which screwed me up but they only gave me enough test strips to test twice a day. The MINIMUM recommended is 4 times daily. I couldn't even test before each meal if I were to follow their guidelines. I had no choice with them. It was either do this or pay for it. So I did it because I had to.
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does anyone else here use an HMO? (I do, I use Kaiser.)
Do you think its a nightmare?
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I've had zero issues with HMO's, all things considered. And my wife has required quite a bit of medical care over the past few years.
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08-10-2009, 10:03 AM
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"get in their faces," he said.
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08-10-2009, 10:09 AM
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Another un-american I guess. Along with his 81 year old father.
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The Washington Times Monday, August 10, 2009 BREITBART: I am Kenneth Gladney Andrew Breitbart OPINION/ANALYSIS: The first round of protests against the Obama administration's chaotic and rapid-fire expansion of government came in the form of grass-roots "tea parties," which were predictably met with scorn by the Democrat-Media Complex (the natural coalition of the Democratic Party and the mainstream media.) CNN's Anderson Cooper and MSNBC's Keith Olbermann and Rachel Maddow led the charge, declaring concerned Americans "tea baggers," an allusion to an absurd sexual fetish beneath describing in a family newspaper.
This attack on hundreds of thousands of people practicing their constitutional right to protest speaks volumes not just about the hardened sociopolitical leanings of America's journalistic elite, but about the brazenness with which they are now wielding their unprofessionalism. Last week on the grounds of the once-venerated White House, Senate Majority Whip Richard J. Durbin, Illinois Democrat, taking his cues from his allies in the media, referred to last week's health care town-hall protesters as "tea baggers." How far we have fallen.
Stepping up the rhetoric from mockery to pure hatred, and absent any evidence, Mr. Olbermann has called the president's public protesters "worse than racists." Political activist and comedianJaneane Garofalo colored them "racist rednecks who hate blacks." And at the somewhat higher end of the food chain, liberal economist Paul Krugman in the New York Times wrote last week that they were motivated by "cultural and racial fear."
House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, who is having a hard time these days explaining the president's Israel policy to her Jewish constituents, blatantly lied and said that the protesters were wielding "swastikas and symbols like that." Supporters of the president understand what is going on. So do his detractors. The mainstream media and the Democratic Party are working in concert to make sure that what happened to President Bush -- sustained organized grass-roots protests ("mobs," if you will), relentless media criticism and permanent opposition-party obstructionism -- does not happen to their guy.
Complicating matters, the media's fate is directly tied to the president's. Without them, Barack Obama would still be a backbencher from Illinois.
But the mockery. The recklessness. Unsupportable libel isn't working. The tea parties and, now, the health care protests at town-hall meetings have only gotten bigger and stronger. The anti-big-government movement is pure. Its participants represent something close to what used to be considered normative in this country. Tea Party attendees and health care town-hall protesters share the common belief that the extravagant spending of President Obama and the Democratic Party -- absent any checks and balances -- will eventually lead more people into government dependency, higher taxes and, perhaps, our country's financial ruin. These are legitimate fears felt by millions of Americans. That's why the media and the Democratic Party are scared and are throwing outrageous and hateful accusations at everyday Americans -- hoping that people stay home out of fear.
I've attended two tea parties so far. One was in Santa Ana, Calif., on April 15, where my 81-year-old father-in-law, the actor Orson Bean, joined fellow actor Gary Graham and newly naturalized American citizen Ian Mitchell, from the Scottish '70s music sensation, the Bay City Rollers.
I saw no "tea bagging." Blacks and Hispanics carried signs along with the white majority. But there was a sketchy dog dressed in a red, white and blue sweater. Make of that what you will, Mr. Olbermann.
Last week, a black gentleman named Kenneth Gladney went to a town-hall meeting hosted by Rep. Russ Carnahan, Missouri Democrat. While passing out "Don't Tread on Me" flags, he was viciously attacked by Service Employees International Union (SEIU) members. One called him a "nigger." These union thugs were directed by the White House to go to the protests and "punch back twice as hard." And they did. While the attack was captured on video and is available on YouTube, Mr. Gladney's horrifying story is absent from MSNBC's 24/7 media cycle. Mr. Krugman has yet to write about it. And Mr. Cooper has yet to condemn the attack.
On Sept. 12, I will be attending a tea party in Quincy, Ill., joining Instapundit professor Glenn Reynolds, Gateway Pundit's Jim Hoft, and Tucker Carlson. With the Democratic Party in control of all branches of government and the Fourth Estate acting as the Democratic Party's protector, the tea party movement is the closest thing America has to checks and balances. If that isn't enough to motivate you, perhaps showing your solidarity with Kenneth Gladney, a fellow patriot, is.
• Andrew Breitbart is publisher of the news portals Breitbart.com and Breitbart.tv. His latest endeavor, Big Hollywood (http://bighollywood.breitbart.com), is a group blog on Hollywood and politics from the center-right perspective.
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08-10-2009, 12:39 PM
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Yea...gotta love it.
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As Jim Treacher says: If Kenneth Gladney was an Obama supporter, right now he'd be more famous than Rodney King.
Gotta love this "post-racial America": Democrat union heavies can beat up a black guy using racial epithets and leave him in a wheelchair unable to speak — and happily (unlike, say, a black professor being asked for picture ID) it's not "symbolic" of anything at all. Not a Sharpton in sight to speak up for him: Mr. Gladney's only shot at fame is an entry in The Guinness Book of Records under "Least Famous Black Hate-Crime Victim In America."
Nothing personal, of course. Just what happens when Uncle Tom the Plumber decides to hang with the uncivil-rights movement:
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Yea...gotta love it.
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Beat Me in St. Louis (cont) [Mark Steyn]
As Jim Treacher says:
If Kenneth Gladney was an Obama supporter, right now he'd be more famous than Rodney King.
Gotta love this "post-racial America": Democrat union heavies can beat up a black guy using racial epithets and leave him in a wheelchair unable to speak — and happily (unlike, say, a black professor being asked for picture ID) it's not "symbolic" of anything at all. Not a Sharpton in sight to speak up for him: Mr. Gladney's only shot at fame is an entry in The Guinness Book of Records under "Least Famous Black Hate-Crime Victim In America."
Nothing personal, of course. Just what happens when Uncle Tom the Plumber decides to hang with the uncivil-rights movement:
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"unable to speak"??? "racial epithets"??? rubbish, and just the sort of deceit being used by the right in this supposed debate, gladney is more than happy (and able btw) to speak about his new found fame, and the people who are accused of making gladney a "victim" of a "black hate crime" are....black americans.
Kenneth Gladney, 38, an activist from St. Louis who believes in a no-tax stance, said he was attacked by some of those arrested as he handed out yellow flags with "Don't tread on me" printed on them. He spoke to the Post-Dispatch from the emergency room on Thursday night at St. John's Mercy Medical Center, where he said he was awaiting treatment for injuries to his knee, back, elbow, shoulder and face.
"It just seems there's no freedom of speech without being attacked," Gladney said. On Friday, he said he had been hired by the Tea Party folks to hand out the flags and added: "I was attacked for something I believe in."
http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/new...C?OpenDocument
the whole circus needs to be stopped. the people who are screaming and yelling (not surprisingly the malaise has spead to both sides), with no desire at a civil discussion, need to learn a thing or two about respect.
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Is the divide between the parties now irreparable?
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public health care and losing freedom are like stink and s____. If you have the first you'll necessarily have the second, it must be.....you can't have a dirigiste governmnet and economic freedom....one or the other, certainly not both.
(and as the old saying goes, those who trade freedom for security wind up with neither)
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Not at all. They'll come together to the extent their interests unite, right now they're haggling over fairly trivial differences of opinion.
("keep government out of my medicare" said one Republican)....
the republicans are riding the wave of some genuine anti-government type angst, but if things ever get real they'll promptly rejoin forces with their democrat brethren. This wave of anti-governmentism, fiscal conservatism type stuff from Republicans will last (at the absolute longest) until they get back in power.
(and when I refer to Republicans here I'm of course referring to Republican party leadership.)
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This is how it is, and should be interpreted
The leftist plan is a single payer system
Moderate plan is to be a public option
Right wing plan is to keep it the same
Instead those moderates proposing the public option are being ridiculed by the right at socialists. I'm a socialists, and those people are far from it.
Those goes into what I said earlier about there being no liberal progressive party in America, just the Center-Right and the Stupid Party.
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This is how it is, and should be interpreted
The leftist plan is a single payer system
Moderate plan is to be a public option
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So there are no other options except those three? Seriously?
Here, let me blow your mind and propose one: F the med-mal lawyers and see how low costs can go.
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Here, let me blow your mind and propose one: F the med-mal lawyers and see how low costs can go.
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the cbo says with the total awards of medical liability lawsuits representing less than 2% of the total amount spent on healthcare in america, a limit on tort liability would have little affect in reducing healthcare costs.
http://www.cbo.gov/doc.cfm?index=4968&type=0
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the cbo says with the total awards of medical liability lawsuits representing less than 2% of the total amount spent on healthcare in america, a limit on tort liability would have little affect in reducing healthcare costs.
http://www.cbo.gov/doc.cfm?index=4968&type=0
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1. " total awards... representing less than 2%." Thankfully there are no lawyer fees or costs associated to frivolous lawsuits or suits where the hospital wins. Whew.
2. What about malpractice insurance that the doctors and hospitals must carry?
3. My wife is in the medical field and the paperwork to CYA is a real b too.
Come on now, let's not let the best be the enemy of the good! Let's not choose to do nothing at all when something can be done!
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So there are no other options except those three? Seriously?
Here, let me blow your mind and propose one: F the med-mal lawyers and see how low costs can go.
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No, I'm saying that real progressives wish for a single payer system, far right wingers want absolutely nothing done. What's the middle road? Public option. No one is making you choose the public option, that's why it's called an option.
It's something called compromise, it's what adults do.
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No, I'm saying that real progressives wish for a single payer system, far right wingers want absolutely nothing done. What's the middle road? Public option. No one is making you choose the public option, that's why it's called an option.
It's something called compromise, it's what adults do.
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08-11-2009, 11:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Nowitzki4President
No, I'm saying that real progressives wish for a single payer system, far right wingers want absolutely nothing done. What's the middle road? Public option. No one is making you choose the public option, that's why it's called an option.
It's something called compromise, it's what adults do.
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Compromise is great, but I'm calling attention to the false choices you've set up. The public option is not the only alternative we have; it's just the only alternative that Congress is trying to shove down our throats. Adults should keep all their options open too, ya know. (Now why is it that Congress isn't addressing medical malpractice? Oh right, most of them are lawyers or lawyer-funded politicians. Silly me.)
How about this for a multiple choice question?
A. I kill you.
B. I kill your best friend.
C. You and your best friend give me $100 and never see me again.
Clearly the adult thing to do is to shut up and pick C already. Hey, what are you doing? Stop calling for the cops! STOP!
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The companies cannot, and shouldn't be trusted.
There's a reason countries like France, Sweden and Canada are among the top 10 in life expectancy, while we sit at 50th.
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I think there are reasons. Here's one more to add to your original one.
Or any number of entries from thisiswhyyourefat.com/
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Last edited by DirkFTW; 08-11-2009 at 11:53 AM.
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08-10-2009, 06:23 PM
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