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sefant77 · 11-05-2009, 12:30 AM

I hate ESPN games...

Can Cuban please email Stern that we dont wanna have national games anymore?

StackAttack · 11-05-2009, 12:31 AM

The only thought on my mind right now is, "Are you serious?"

Dirkadirkastan · 11-05-2009, 12:31 AM

See kids, the Mavs choke when Dirk ISN'T in the game.

I never like to use the word "choke", but my goodness, this was Exhibit A.

sefant77 · 11-05-2009, 12:33 AM

Thats why the average moron thinks we are a choke team, because we always do that on that games....

jthig32 · 11-05-2009, 12:37 AM

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Originally Posted by sefant77

Thats why the average moron thinks we are a choke team, because we always do that on that games....

Actually we rarely do that. We won a very high percentage of close games last year.

WraithXx · 11-05-2009, 12:40 AM

Hornets PA announcer: "WOOOOOOOOOoooooo.... GAY-OH!.... GAAAAAAY-OHHH!"

your thoughts.

Dirkadirkastan · 11-05-2009, 12:47 AM

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Originally Posted by WraithXx

Hornets PA announcer: "WOOOOOOOOOoooooo.... GAY-OH!.... GAAAAAAY-OHHH!"

your thoughts.

I think the Hornets PA adds an interesting twist in the discussion on whether homophobic slurs may have an occasional use.

Underdog · 11-05-2009, 12:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Dirkadirkastan

I never like to use the word "choke", but my goodness, this was Exhibit A.

^this^

Underdog · 11-05-2009, 12:36 AM

Barea & JET only had to make 1-3 FT's to ice the game and they spared it up...

I can't wait for Josh Howard to come back...

rmacomic · 11-05-2009, 12:36 AM

1. Erik Dampier is playing like it is a contract year, too bad he didn't play like this for the last 4 years.

2. Free throws would have won this game.

3. I am sick of seeing this much J.J.

4. Marion? I am ready to see some of that preseason game, not this, "I can't handle a pass near my knees".

5. Am I the only one ready to see Josh Howard????

Sportstudi · 11-05-2009, 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by rmacomic

1. Erik Dampier is playing like it is a contract year, too bad he didn't play like this for the last 4 years.

2. Free throws would have won this game.

3. I am sick of seeing this much J.J.

4. Marion? I am ready to see some of that preseason game, not this, "I can't handle a pass near my knees".

5. Am I the only one ready to see Josh Howard????

Exactly this.

LSMF · 11-05-2009, 12:39 AM

Josh, where are you?

jthig32 · 11-05-2009, 12:39 AM

On the bright side, we were one made free throw away from taking down a fully healthy New Orleans team on the second night of a back to back with no Josh, no Drew Gooden, no Quinton Ross, and no Dirk for the last 2+ minutes of the game (and overtime).

Moral victories against division opponents suck (or don't exist, maybe) but I'm very excited for the prospects of this team right now.

Dirkadirkastan · 11-05-2009, 12:43 AM

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Originally Posted by jthig32

On the bright side, we were one made free throw away from taking down a fully healthy New Orleans team on the second night of a back to back with no Josh, no Drew Gooden, no Quinton Ross, and no Dirk for the last 2+ minutes of the game (and overtime).

Moral victories against division opponents suck (or don't exist, maybe) but I'm very excited for the prospects of this team right now.

The Mavs might have a bright future, but Chris Paul should never win.

Underdog · 11-05-2009, 12:53 AM

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Originally Posted by jthig32

On the bright side, we were one made free throw away from taking down a fully healthy New Orleans team on the second night of a back to back with no Josh, no Drew Gooden, no Quinton Ross, and no Dirk for the last 2+ minutes of the game (and overtime).

Moral victories against division opponents suck (or don't exist, maybe) but I'm very excited for the prospects of this team right now.

+1

This team has some question marks, but I'm inspired by what I see...

Both our losses were under acceptable circumstances against good teams... We lost against the Wizards because we were looking ahead to the Lakers (which paid off) and we lost against the Hornets in OVERTIME because we were severely short-handed down the stretch (which tells me we could beat them at full strength...)

Plus, look at our wins against the Lakers, Clippers and Jazz - we did all that without our 2nd/3rd best player, Josh Howard... This team is finding ways to get tough wins and they're not even close to 100% yet!

RoddyB#3 · 11-05-2009, 01:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Underdog

+1

This team has some question marks, but I'm inspired by what I see...

Both our losses were under acceptable circumstances against good teams... We lost against the Wizards because we were looking ahead to the Lakers (which paid off) and we lost against the Hornets in OVERTIME because we were severely short-handed down the stretch (which tells me we could beat them at full strength...)

Plus, look at our wins against the Lakers, Clippers and Jazz - we did all that without our 2nd/3rd best player, Josh Howard... This team is finding ways to get tough wins and they're not even close to 100% yet!

Agree with this 100%! A team that ran us off the floor two years ago showed tonight that at full strength they can barely handle a Dallas squad that's tired, depleted, and has two main stars struggle throughout the game in Dirk and Marion. After this all I can think about is what can this team do when healthy? If Damp continues to play this way, and Josh can be a factor when he gets back. This team is going to be really fun to watch!

CadBane · 11-05-2009, 12:40 AM

We pulled a Nick Anderson.

sefant77 · 11-05-2009, 12:42 AM

What a freaking rollercoaster ride in 24hours...

But im going also with almost beating NO without 4 players.

And Boobie was a sparkle.

StackAttack · 11-05-2009, 12:45 AM

I know most of the board has been singing praises of Marion since the season began, and I'm as high on what I think he can bring us as anyone, but he's been a bit disappointing to me. Defensively he's done some great things, but offensively, he sure seems to miss a lot of easy shots and has awful handles (Exhibit A: 5 TO tonight). What bothers me about him more than anything is that we seem to have long stretches where he doesn't touch the ball, and if there's one thing that Laker game showed me, it's that the JKidd/Matrix pick & roll is a dangerous weapon. Again. Big Marion fan, not hating, but there's certainly some work to be done integrating him.

Dampier had the game of his life tonight, and he's having a terrific season. A lot of it was because the Hornets big men left him open repeatedly, but he certainly worked for plenty of those 14 boards, and he had a couple nice dunks as well, really an intimidator out there tonight, especially with the 3 blocks. I'm happy for the big fella. Of course, at this rate, his contract is going to end up becoming guaranteed for next year, but that's a problem we can worry about later.

Dirk's 20 point streak comes to an end, and I doubt anyone disagrees that his off-night is totally forgivable after last night. We certainly would have had a chance in OT with him on the floor, but after Peja hit the three and with Dirk on the bench for the rest of the way, I think we all knew it was over.

Boobie sighting! Surprise starter tonight, and did surprisingly well. Didn't force the issue much except for that one three he missed. Had a nice pass for an open three and showed flashes of the incredible speed and range we know he has. 9 points and an assist in his first 13 minutes of the season. I'll take it.

JET finally found his shot and had a monster fourth...until it counted and he choked at the line. I think we can all agree JET's as clutch as they come typically, but he certainly has a nasty habit of missing pressure free throws.

Honestly, I thought JJB did some nice things tonight. I mean, he took his typical stupid JJB shots, but he did about as well on Paul as I could have expected anyone on our team to do (and Barea's height disadvantage is kind of negated against Paul; CP3's not a big guy by any stretch). Of course, then other events that I'm not going to discuss took place that are going to blossom into a board-wide "Trade Barea" campaign by tomorrow. It is what it is.

Again. Some bright spots. Damp's off to a terrific start to the season. Roddy did some nice things. JET's being JET again. Kidd showed last night was no fluke and was draining 3's again. And all that added up to the game being 100% in our hands...

EDIT: And MAN, has the injury bug bitten us. Good thing we're as deep as we are, but Gooden, Ross, and especially Howard need to hurry their asses back into the lineup.

twelli · 11-05-2009, 02:12 AM

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Originally Posted by StackAttack

I know most of the board has been singing praises of Marion since the season began...

I was kind of disturbed when, on a 3-on-1 fast break, Marion didn't pass the ball back to a trailing Dirk for the easy dunk, instead he tried a difficult contested shot that was blocked.

Don't want to read too much into it but it could mean that 1. he wants to score more. 2. he doesn't like to share the ball. 3. his basketball IQ is low

Maybe Kidd should throw him some more lob passes to keep him happy and jumping...

Overall, they didn't play that bad considering the circumstances. One more made free throw and everyone is happy. Hubie Brown called the Mav's defense good on several occasions. If they keep playing defense like they have in the past three games, I think we'll have much fun this season.

The good thing about this loss it that it prevents the team from getting too confident too soon, though I wouldn't mind a lengthy winning streak starting soon. We didn't have that for some time now.

Murphy3 · 11-05-2009, 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by StackAttack

I know most of the board has been singing praises of Marion since the season began, and I'm as high on what I think he can bring us as anyone, but he's been a bit disappointing to me. Defensively he's done some great things, but offensively, he sure seems to miss a lot of easy shots and has awful handles (Exhibit A: 5 TO tonight). What bothers me about him more than anything is that we seem to have long stretches where he doesn't touch the ball, and if there's one thing that Laker game showed me, it's that the JKidd/Matrix pick & roll is a dangerous weapon. Again. Big Marion fan, not hating, but there's certainly some work to be done integrating him.

Dampier had the game of his life tonight, and he's having a terrific season. A lot of it was because the Hornets big men left him open repeatedly, but he certainly worked for plenty of those 14 boards, and he had a couple nice dunks as well, really an intimidator out there tonight, especially with the 3 blocks. I'm happy for the big fella. Of course, at this rate, his contract is going to end up becoming guaranteed for next year, but that's a problem we can worry about later.

Dirk's 20 point streak comes to an end, and I doubt anyone disagrees that his off-night is totally forgivable after last night. We certainly would have had a chance in OT with him on the floor, but after Peja hit the three and with Dirk on the bench for the rest of the way, I think we all knew it was over.

Boobie sighting! Surprise starter tonight, and did surprisingly well. Didn't force the issue much except for that one three he missed. Had a nice pass for an open three and showed flashes of the incredible speed and range we know he has. 9 points and an assist in his first 13 minutes of the season. I'll take it.

JET finally found his shot and had a monster fourth...until it counted and he choked at the line. I think we can all agree JET's as clutch as they come typically, but he certainly has a nasty habit of missing pressure free throws.

Honestly, I thought JJB did some nice things tonight. I mean, he took his typical stupid JJB shots, but he did about as well on Paul as I could have expected anyone on our team to do (and Barea's height disadvantage is kind of negated against Paul; CP3's not a big guy by any stretch). Of course, then other events that I'm not going to discuss took place that are going to blossom into a board-wide "Trade Barea" campaign by tomorrow. It is what it is.

Again. Some bright spots. Damp's off to a terrific start to the season. Roddy did some nice things. JET's being JET again. Kidd showed last night was no fluke and was draining 3's again. And all that added up to the game being 100% in our hands...

EDIT: And MAN, has the injury bug bitten us. Good thing we're as deep as we are, but Gooden, Ross, and especially Howard need to hurry their asses back into the lineup.

Marion is a guy that thrives off of cutting to the bucket without the ball... getting put backs.. and finishing on the fast break. He's not really a second option. He's probably best when he's only counted on to do the clean up things and the cutting. But he does those things extremely well. He does them about as well as anyone. That is what he is. He can hit the occasional jumper, but the Mavs really shouldn't want him to take many of those. The Mavs need their second scorer back. Marion needs to be pushed down a rung on the offensive scale. There's no reason for that guy to be the second option on the court. That just isn't his game.

fluid.forty.one · 11-05-2009, 12:47 AM

If Dirk doesn't foul out (on a f*cking touch foul) he hits that technical FT and game over.

F*ck that.

JJB should have to carry Damp's luggage for the rest of the season.

Male30Dan · 11-05-2009, 12:49 AM

That really was embarrassing. Wow.

badfish22 · 11-05-2009, 12:49 AM

Role players should not cost you games. Yet JJB is a role player (even thought Carisle doesnt play him like one) and he cost us this game.

And why was JJB guarding Chris Paul the whole game? He is a defensive liability, your are supposed to hide him on a poor offensive player not Chris freaking Paul

dmavs1980 · 11-05-2009, 12:49 AM

Jkidd missing two layups...I can understand
Jet missing two FT...I can understand after carrying us through the 4th(although he should have made em)

But WTF Barea!Jackin up 3's,overdribbling,not going to Jet, and thats just some of the things he did to piss me off along with posting up Marion when he can't take care of the ball.

When does Josh get back?

fluid.forty.one · 11-05-2009, 12:52 AM

I'm more pissed about JJ jacking up those 3s early in the shot clock than I am about him missing the FTs.

iella · 11-05-2009, 12:57 AM

JJB 2-6 on 3pt shots... no matter how many good things you say about JJB, I still feel like he has no business taking 6 3pt attempts in a game.

JET scored 35, very much on par with Paul's 39. The difference? West (35 pts) gets to abuse Dirk and holds him to 12. Sigh.

LonghornDub · 11-05-2009, 12:59 AM

I'm definitely excited about this team's prospects, but it sucks to watch them lose a game like that.

mac222b · 11-05-2009, 12:59 AM

3 more years of Jason Kidd's increasingly senile game. should have traded him when we had the chance. he's scared to take a layup. one was a brick and the other barely grazed rim. and got picked on Peja's tying three. and there were other less than stellar moments. tough start to the season for him

StackAttack · 11-05-2009, 01:04 AM

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Originally Posted by mac222b

3 more years of Jason Kidd's increasingly senile game. should have traded him when we had the chance. he's scared to take a layup. one was a brick and the other barely grazed rim. and got picked on Peja's tying three. and there were other less than stellar moments. tough start to the season for him

For the love of God, this isn't the game to be trashing Kidd.

NYMAVGUY · 11-05-2009, 06:14 PM

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For the love of God, this isn't the game to be trashing Kidd.

I don't Know. Just because Kidd didn't Blow the end of the game, doesn't mean he wasn't inept. When you miss lay ups in the 2nd quarter it puts pressure on Dirk to defend harder and now he's in foul trouble. I really do think our point guard play is what kills us.

mac222b · 11-05-2009, 06:54 PM

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I don't Know. Just because Kidd didn't Blow the end of the game, doesn't mean he wasn't inept. When you miss lay ups in the 2nd quarter it puts pressure on Dirk to defend harder and now he's in foul trouble. I really do think our point guard play is what kills us.

in the same way that Steve Blake with Oden/Pryzbilla kills Portland. long stretches of games where Kidd/Damp are not threats to score. i know not every team can have a Deron Williams or a Chris Paul but the game these days is really skewed in favor of quick pg's who can get to the cup. Kidd can't guard them and he can't go by anyone. when he does it's not pretty. maybe we would have been better off signing a quick aggressive young point that can defend, like Sessions, and btw he's getting paid *gulp* half as much per year.

NYMAVGUY · 11-05-2009, 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by mac222b

3 more years of Jason Kidd's increasingly senile game. should have traded him when we had the chance. he's scared to take a layup. one was a brick and the other barely grazed rim. and got picked on Peja's tying three. and there were other less than stellar moments. tough start to the season for him

I Agree

Dnowit41 · 11-05-2009, 01:00 AM

JJB just had to go 1-2...............

mac222b · 11-05-2009, 01:01 AM

btw too bad we couldn't pull off the minor trade we almost made for Bobby Brown. dude's a baller

CadBane · 11-05-2009, 01:11 AM

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btw too bad we couldn't pull off the minor trade we almost made for Bobby Brown. dude's a baller

Bobby Brown is a scrub. He only looks good when he has D-Leaguers like JJB trying to guard him.

mac222b · 11-05-2009, 01:26 AM

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Bobby Brown is a scrub. He only looks good when he has D-Leaguers like JJB trying to guard him.

respectfully disagree. energy and points for the league minimum. he's been playing well for them. 30 minutes tonight

CadBane · 11-05-2009, 01:32 AM

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respectfully disagree. energy and points for the league minimum. he's been playing well for them. 30 minutes tonight

Um, he was shooting 29% coming into tonight. And 38% for his career. He's a scrub.

mac222b · 11-05-2009, 01:50 AM

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Um, he was shooting 29% coming into tonight. And 38% for his career. He's a scrub.

haha, ok you win. but i'm still picking him up for my fantasy squadhttp://www.dallas-mavs.com/vb/images/smilies/biggrin.gif

Thomas86 · 11-05-2009, 01:07 AM

3 guard line up!! when will Carlisle learn?....between J.J. chucking up 3's and Marion's no show I don't no what is worse, I feel bad for Damp because his tip in would have won the game.