14-7: Mavs cant crash the boards anymore - Dallas-Mavs.com Forums

sefant77 · 12-05-2009, 11:31 PM

Offensive rebounds

Missed layups

cant buy a bounce

burned by a SG

And what happened the last 30secs....

And Dick is still a Dick

Underdog · 12-05-2009, 11:32 PM

I don't understand this thread title - we only got out-rebounded by 4...

conjurer · 12-05-2009, 11:33 PM

evidently, the mavs are no championship contender yet

sefant77 · 12-05-2009, 11:34 PM

16-7 offensive/ 2nd chance points

tgfan · 12-06-2009, 10:39 AM

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16-7 offensive/ 2nd chance points

Coaching problem. The Mavs don't seem to find opponent players and block out. You can see it coming a mile away vs these long, athletic teams. They come out of nowhere and put the ball back in while Dirk stands around. I'm not a Dirk basher, he is a superstar on offense, but that is his weak point.

We need to make these guys come over our backs to get all these offensive rebounds and put backs.

CadBane · 12-06-2009, 11:22 AM

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Coaching problem. The Mavs don't seem to find opponent players and block out. You can see it coming a mile away vs these long, athletic teams. They come out of nowhere and put the ball back in while Dirk stands around. I'm not a Dirk basher, he is a superstar on offense, but that is his weak point.

We need to make these guys come over our backs to get all these offensive rebounds and put backs.

Dirk is the absolute last guy you need to be bitching about as far as defensive rebounding is concerned.

tgfan · 12-06-2009, 02:19 PM

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Dirk is the absolute last guy you need to be bitching about as far as defensive rebounding is concerned.

My issue is not the rebounding. I know Dirk gets a ton. It's getting out hustled for caroms off the rim, which allows so many easy buckets for opponents that is frustrating. If we were disciplined about putting a body on these guys, we could cut out some of those easy baskets. I am talking in general, not only about last night's game.

xrobx · 12-05-2009, 11:34 PM

my weekend is ruined. now watch the cowboys lose tomorrow and the circle will be complete.

CadBane · 12-05-2009, 11:35 PM

We can't guard scoring SG's.

And F the refs.

twistaeffect2004 · 12-05-2009, 11:36 PM

This is simply what happens when a jump shooting team hits a bit of a slide. We have 0 guys other than Dirk that can get to the free throw line with any regularity.

The Mavs played great defense, but just couldn't get their jumpshots to fall. It's just the way it goes.

GermanDunk · 12-05-2009, 11:37 PM

Ugly loss, but no reason to complain.

Bayliss · 12-05-2009, 11:37 PM

It wasn't a rebounding problem AT ALL. Turnovers and missed execution is a huge problem. Most of the turnovers lately have been because RoBo/Barea/Gooden trying to do way too much, instead of just making the simple play. Execution has been laccking because the team is 3 point happy. They have settled for way too much.

sefant77 · 12-05-2009, 11:41 PM

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It wasn't a rebounding problem AT ALL.

It was one factor of a lot (you named them). I put it in the title because its a really annoying trend that the other team get offensive rebounds in good double digits.

Usually Lurkin · 12-05-2009, 11:43 PM

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It was one factor of a lot (you named them). I put it in the title because its a really annoying trend that the other team get offensive rebounds in good double digits.

not to mention that the additions of Marion and Gooden were to make us the greatest rebounding team ever.

twistaeffect2004 · 12-05-2009, 11:46 PM

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not to mention that the additions of Marion and Gooden were to make us the greatest rebounding team ever.

Speaking of Marion, he looks horrid. He's played good defense but he's absolutely dreadful offensively, and he can't grab rebounds this year. I'm guessing lost athleticism and injuries have really hampered him in that area. From what we've seen this season, this version of the Matrix is a pretty average basketball player.

tgfan · 12-06-2009, 10:32 AM

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Speaking of Marion, he looks horrid. He's played good defense but he's absolutely dreadful offensively, and he can't grab rebounds this year. I'm guessing lost athleticism and injuries have really hampered him in that area. From what we've seen this season, this version of the Matrix is a pretty average basketball player.

Yes, he just doesn't look the same at all. I hope it is because of the ankle and reduced conditioning, and that both will come around shortly.

Underdog · 12-05-2009, 11:38 PM

Taking ill-advised jumpers when your shot is cold is a lot like trying to dig yourself out of a hole...

We really need more points in the paint!

twistaeffect2004 · 12-05-2009, 11:41 PM

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Taking ill-advised jumpers when your shot is cold is a lot like trying to dig yourself out of a hole...

We really need more points in the paint!

Absolutely. Gooden was providing that but it seems like he really is out of whack coming off the bench. He doesn't play with near the energy he does when he's starting. Really disappointing.

toby451 · 12-05-2009, 11:43 PM

Back to back extremely frustrating losses. Its not time to panic yet still being 4th seed in the west missing our 2nd best offensive weapon, but we need a healthy Josh back very soon. The amount of games this team just completely loses its offense is very alarming.

I am starting to become very agitated by these seemingly more frequent games of being out rebounded. Jkidd, Marion, Dirk, Damp led team should not be out rebounded this often.

One last point, what was up with Roddy not playing tonight? I missed the first 2 minutes of the game, was he sick or just Rick teaching the Rookie a lesson?

mavsfan1000 · 12-05-2009, 11:45 PM

Time to start Gooden and Beaubois again. That lineup worked.

toby451 · 12-05-2009, 11:48 PM

I am not sold Shawn is healthy. He was amazing in the pre season in very limited minutes. Then he hurt the calf, and then the ankle. I bet you if Josh was playing, Matrix would be the would sitting right now.

Bayliss · 12-05-2009, 11:51 PM

Marion's ankle injury has an effect on his "lift." Dirk rarely rebounds well when he is battling ankle problems.

And when you play zone, you tend to give up rebounds because you can't put a body on your man.

But rebounding was not the issue tonight. Lack of execution was the issue. The two free throws missed by Kidd. Dirk's missed layups. Those were the type of plays that cost the Mavs the game.

StackAttack · 12-05-2009, 11:53 PM

Marion has been an offensive non-factor most of the regular season after a terrific pre-season. There's no way to convince me the injury doesn't have SOMETHING to do with that.

Thomas86 · 12-05-2009, 11:54 PM

I'm glad I didn't see this game....I hope the Mavs figure out what's going on before the fall to far in the standing's in the West.

tcat075 · 12-05-2009, 11:59 PM

We need Josh. And to think that people were saying how Josh was expendable only a few games ago? We need another scorer, we need another wing defender, and we need a decent rebounder, and we need a good 3PT shooter. Josh can at least do 3 of those 4 things, so the sooner the better.

What was with the tight rotation this game? No Humphries for the few games, no Roddy in this game until he was in situationally late, no Singleton. Instead, we play Dirk for all but 4 minutes on the second night of a back-to-back, in which he played a lot in.

Usually Lurkin · 12-06-2009, 12:04 AM

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We need Josh. And to think that people were saying how Josh was expendable only a few games ago? We need another scorer, we need another wing defender, and we need a decent rebounder, and we need a good 3PT shooter. Josh can at least do 3 of those 4 things, so the sooner the better.

we'll keep saying this as long as we're relying on Josh to be all this. Right now, he's giving us typical Josh. And he'll continue to do that until he decides to get back on the court and give us actual production for the first half of games. Then he'll do some stupid stuff during crunch time in the playoffs.

StackAttack · 12-06-2009, 12:07 AM

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We need Josh. And to think that people were saying how Josh was expendable only a few games ago? We need another scorer, we need another wing defender, and we need a decent rebounder, and we need a good 3PT shooter. Josh can at least do 3 of those 4 things, so the sooner the better.

What was with the tight rotation this game? No Humphries for the few games, no Roddy in this game until he was in situationally late, no Singleton. Instead, we play Dirk for all but 4 minutes on the second night of a back-to-back, in which he played a lot in.

The most ridiculous thing is Dirk was +3 in the 44 minutes. The Hawks outscored us by 8 in the four minutes Dirk wasn't on the floor. We're becoming dangerously dependent on him. Getting Josh back will certainly alleviate at least some of that.

tcat075 · 12-06-2009, 12:18 AM

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we'll keep saying this as long as we're relying on Josh to be all this. Right now, he's giving us typical Josh. And he'll continue to do that until he decides to get back on the court and give us actual production for the first half of games. Then he'll do some stupid stuff during crunch time in the playoffs.

If we keep letting other teams' wings score 40 on us and keep giving up 20 offensive rebounds while scoring 75 ppg, we aren't going to be in the playoffs. So what choice do we have? Pay Josh to go away like Williams? I don't think so. We don't have a choice but to hope Josh gets back soon and rely on him to do all the stuff we know he can do when he's mind is in the game.

Usually Lurkin · 12-06-2009, 12:22 AM

except, of course, Josh will flake out on us. Again. and Again. He does that as reliably as anything else.

tcat075 · 12-06-2009, 10:24 AM

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except, of course, Josh will flake out on us. Again. and Again. He does that as reliably as anything else.

Then so be it. You want to cut Josh? Trade him for garbage? Do you think this team is better without a career 15 PPG, 6 RPG player? Who, I might add, isn't a bad wing defender, the position at which opposing players are lighting us up at.

I understand why a lot of people hate Josh here. I get that. He's a knucklehead who's hardly ever done anything for this team in key situations (4th quarter, playoffs, big games). He went out and did some stupid crap a few years ago, and that doesn't exactly make him likable.

But he's talented guy who gives us strength in some areas we're really lacking in right now. You're acting like you think this team is better off without him. Seriously? In theory, when everyone is healthy, Josh won't be in a position to disappoint. But screw theories. We've lost 2 straight on quite pitiful performances by the Mavs. I think J-Ho would help us. I want him back.

Usually Lurkin · 12-06-2009, 06:34 PM

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In theory, when everyone is healthy, Josh won't be in a position to disappoint. But screw theories. We've lost 2 straight on quite pitiful performances by the Mavs. I think J-Ho would help us. I want him back.

In theory, if JJ were 6 inches taller we'd have the Puerto Rican Dwyane Wade in our back court. In reality, we've lost 2 straight in part because we've been hoping J-Ho would be our starting 2 rather than trading him back when more people thought he was good. If he comes back all rosy and playing great, we should trade him before he does this again to us.

tcat075 · 12-06-2009, 07:37 PM

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In theory, if JJ were 6 inches taller we'd have the Puerto Rican Dwyane Wade in our back court. In reality, we've lost 2 straight in part because we've been hoping J-Ho would be our starting 2 rather than trading him back when more people thought he was good. If he comes back all rosy and playing great, we should trade him before he does this again to us.

Does what to us? Is he purposely staying out injured because he just wants money?

In reality, we've lost two straight because opposing wing players have lit us up and because we can't score. Josh is a wing defender and can score.

Dirkadirkastan · 12-06-2009, 07:59 PM

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In reality, we've lost two straight because opposing wing players have lit us up and because we can't score. Josh is a wing defender and can score.

So what you're saying is we shouldn't trade Josh because then he'd light us up?

Usually Lurkin · 12-06-2009, 08:38 PM

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Does what to us?

Flakes

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Is he purposely staying out injured because he just wants money?

who knows. The result would be the same.

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In reality, we've lost two straight because opposing wing players have lit us up and because we can't score. Josh is a wing defender and can score.

Well, that's what he's getting paid for, anyway. It's not working out well for the Mavs.

EricaLubarsky · 12-06-2009, 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Usually Lurkin

In theory, if JJ were 6 inches taller we'd have the Puerto Rican Dwyane Wade in our back court. In reality, we've lost 2 straight in part because we've been hoping J-Ho would be our starting 2 rather than trading him back when more people thought he was good. If he comes back all rosy and playing great, we should trade him before he does this again to us.

If JJ were 6 inches taller he'd be 2 inches taller than Wade and would have none of the pictures Wade uses to blackmail refs.

Usually Lurkin · 12-06-2009, 08:50 PM

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If JJ were 6 inches taller he'd be 2 inches taller than Wade and would have none of the pictures Wade uses to blackmail refs.

I was assuming he would no longer wear the lifts.

CadBane · 12-06-2009, 12:37 AM

Dirks missed layups? Seriously? Wow.

Usually Lurkin · 12-06-2009, 08:53 AM

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Dirks missed layups? Seriously? Wow.

He was 1-6 in field goals in the 4th quarter. Fans can close one eye and squint the other and focus on any one factor other than the Mavs (ooh, those refs, ooh that unforseen injury!), but this was a winnable game, and the Mavs that played didn't perform as well as they can. When you score 75 points, it's a team effort.

badfish22 · 12-06-2009, 12:56 AM

f this team

Underdog · 12-06-2009, 12:59 AM