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mavs777 · 02-16-2011, 04:50 PM

http://espn.go.com/new-york/video/clip?id=6126780

he even called Carmello a top 5 player

fluid.forty.one · 02-16-2011, 05:03 PM

thread worthy

Dim499 · 02-16-2011, 05:28 PM

Stephen A. Smith is a millionaire and can buy as many iPads as he wants. And you can't. So get of yo lazy ass and make some noise folks. Get of yo behinds! You heard what I said!

EricaLubarsky · 02-16-2011, 07:06 PM

Stephen A Smith IS crazy

The Knicks DO need someone. They are terribly overrated. They are one game over .500

Carmello is overrated. The guy can go off but on average he's one of the worst stars in the league

Its also about the price. The Knicks would have him if they wanted. They just dont wanna pay THAT MUCH for him when he'd go there in free agency. Im sure we'd take him for Butler and a TE. Its the dance.

Denver CANT keep Melo. Melo is a primadonna that will walk away like LeBron no matter how competitive the Nuggets are (or would be if he wasnt driving the whole city into media insanity). If they wait, they will most likely lose him for nothing. Its all about price right now and a lot of teams are asking but no team is willing to take the price the Nugs want.

craggmac · 02-16-2011, 07:38 PM

That clip makes me want to see Anthony go anywhere else besides New York. That way Stephen A. Smith's head will explode.

mavs777 · 02-17-2011, 02:43 AM

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That clip makes me want to see Anthony go anywhere else besides New York. That way Stephen A. Smith's head will explode.

exactly

clutch#41 · 02-16-2011, 08:08 PM

Carmello isnt overated???? he's just not a top 5 player. didnt u watch the game where he dropped like 35-40 on us??

aquaadverse · 02-16-2011, 10:10 PM

If the Knicks miss out on signing him, the utter scorn of the New York fans will be epic. Is there any franchise that has squandered more advantages than the Knicks? Location, tradition etc... look how excite the fans are to be a game over .500.

Dolan is a moron.

ceelowdream · 02-16-2011, 11:55 PM

stephan a. smith is probably not a millionaire.

LonghornDub · 02-17-2011, 03:08 AM

Carmelo is not overrated. He is one of the best pure scorers in the league, and his clutch (<2 mins in the 4th) shooting percentage is extremely high.

CadBane · 02-17-2011, 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by LonghornDub

Carmelo is not overrated. He is one of the best pure scorers in the league, and his clutch (<2 mins in the 4th) shooting percentage is extremely high.

He sure as hell isn't a top 5 player though.

LonghornDub · 02-17-2011, 05:06 PM

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He sure as hell isn't a top 5 player though.

This I can agree with.

EricaLubarsky · 02-19-2011, 02:17 AM

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Carmelo is not overrated. He is one of the best pure scorers in the league, and his clutch (<2 mins in the 4th) shooting percentage is extremely high.

hie eFG% just isnt that great at 44.8% which takes into consideration the "other things" scorers do like FTs, and 3pters.

Look at the top 25 guys in scoring (or those players averaging at least 19.2ppg) eFG% and clutch eFG%

1) Durant 51.4%/43.4%/--
2) Amare 51.0%/59.8%/++
3) LeBron 51.5%/43.9%/--
4) Wade 51.4%/55.3%/++
5) Ellis 51.3%/46.9%/-
6) Carmelo 44.8%/47.4%/+
7) Bryant 48.9%/46.8%/-
8) Rose 49.3%/41.4%/--
9) Gordon 52.0%/64.3%/++
10) Martin 52.2%/53.1%/+
11) Howard 56.7%/68.8%/++
12) Griffin 52.8%/45.5%/--
13) Nowitzki 57.6%/61.4%/+
14) Aldridge 48.9%/35.7%/--
15) Westbrook 44.2%/45.0%/+
16) Bargnani 50.2%/43.6%/--
17) Williams 52.4%/50.0%/-
18) Granger 48.5%/36.7%/--
19) Love 50.9%/39.1%/--
20) randolph 49.4%/41.7%/--
21) Beasley 49.6%/48.8%/-
22) Gay 52.5%/48.6%/-
23) Johnson 47.2%/45.0%/-
24) Lopez 46.9%/26.5%/--
25) Boozer 55.9%/68.8%/++

If you look at the list, you see two things.
One-- Dirk is a stud and leads the league in eFG% for all 20pph scorers.
Two-- you see that two players in that list are not like the others-- and about 5% below the rest. Westbrook and Anthony are both WAY below where they should be. The majority of scorers are in the 48-50+% range. A few lag behind at 47%. Westbrook and Anthony are significantly behind them.

The argument could be made that Carmelo would be a great Robin and that may be true-- if he can put his ego aside (which I find troubling)-- but at the very least Carmelo is an overrated player/scorer and a subpar Batman. If you cant be a good batman, you cant be a good superstar in this league. Star? Probably. Superstar? No.

As for his clutch shooting-- it does go up from 44.8% to an acceptable but not elite 47.4%. He is one of the few in that list that indeed do go up and Denver goes to him in clutch time A LOT but eFG is highly dependent on coaching to draw up plays and overrall team execution/talent level. Lopez may score pretty well in regulation but when the game is on the line, opposing teams can shut him down so in that respect clutch eFG% is even more dependent on team performance than regular FG%.

#41 · 02-19-2011, 07:09 AM

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Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

hie eFG% just isnt that great at 44.8% which takes into consideration the "other things" scorers do like FTs, and 3pters.

eFG% doesn't consider fts, TS% (true shooting) does.

EDIT: where did you find those stats?

thereaper · 02-17-2011, 01:41 PM

They bought their tickets, they knew what they were getting into. I say, let 'em crash.

CadBane · 02-19-2011, 04:49 AM

That plummet by Durant is less than shocking.

jthig32 · 02-19-2011, 09:36 AM

Carmelo is a little overrated. His efficiency isn't high enough to put him in the discussion of the best scorers in basketball. He's very good, but he's overrated.

Dtownsfinest · 02-19-2011, 09:54 AM

I don't see how anyone who watches Carmelo play can say he's overrated. I just don't see it. You can bring up any stat you want but if you watch this guy play the guy can score from ANYWHERE on the court. Whether he's a top 5 player or not I don't know but he sure is a top 5 talent. Carmelo can go on any team in the league and make them a contender. That's not overrated.

jthig32 · 02-19-2011, 10:25 AM

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I don't see how anyone who watches Carmelo play can say he's overrated. I just don't see it. You can bring up any stat you want but if you watch this guy play the guy can score from ANYWHERE on the court. Whether he's a top 5 player or not I don't know but he sure is a top 5 talent. Carmelo can go on any team in the league and make them a contender. That's not overrated.

A contender for what? The playoffs? Maybe.

He's overrated because, while it's getting better, many fans still see raw scoring output and equate it to greatness, without considering what players have to do in order to accomplish their numbers. It's what lead people to fantastically overrate Allen Iverson and Gilbert Arenas, amongst others.

Carmelo is certainly not the chucker that those two players were, but he is very near the bottom of efficiency for the elite NBA scorers.

He's a great player but I don't think he's good enough to be the best player on a championship team, and I think most NBA fans would disagree, which is why I saw he's overrated.

Oh, and if he goes to New York, he will combine forces with another overrated NBA star (for different reasons) to play with the most overrated coach, and become a juggernaut of overratedness(probably not a real word).

Male30Dan · 02-19-2011, 11:13 AM

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A contender for what? The playoffs? Maybe.

He's overrated because, while it's getting better, many fans still see raw scoring output and equate it to greatness, without considering what players have to do in order to accomplish their numbers. It's what lead people to fantastically overrate Allen Iverson and Gilbert Arenas, amongst others.

Carmelo is certainly not the chucker that those two players were, but he is very near the bottom of efficiency for the elite NBA scorers.

He's a great player but I don't think he's good enough to be the best player on a championship team, and I think most NBA fans would disagree, which is why I saw he's overrated.

Oh, and if he goes to New York, he will combine forces with another overrated NBA star (for different reasons) to play with the most overrated coach, and become a juggernaut of overratedness(probably not a real word).

Thiggy... I think the overrated piece you are hitting Amare with has been fairly proven wrong (i.e. he was only good because of Nash). Dude has been pretty stellar this year. His shooting percentage is down, sure, but he is still shooting over 50%. His scoring, assists, blocks, and steals are also up.

As far as Carmello being overrated due to him not being able to be the best player on a championship team, well, isn't that subjective for a lot of the past championship winners? What I mean is, aside from maybe the Heat team that beat us and the Lakers recently where there is just a TON of overall talent but really only one true superstar, haven't all championship teams pretty much had two or three guys that are considered fairly equal in overall talent?

KG/Allen/Pierce
Duncan/Parker/Manu
Shaq/Kobe
Billups/Hamilton/Prince/Wallace

In my opinion, you can really only win a championship if you have an absolute freakishly awesome stud player (Kobe with a lot of help, Jordan with another top-50 player in Pippen, Wade + refs, etc) or with a number of them. Sorry, but an older Billups, oft-injured Nene, Terry-like streak shooter Smith, etc is not a cast like these past championship teams have had - yet he has still made them very good. It is really the KG factor.

NOW - if you put Carmelo on a team with Dirk, a guy that many would call an equal to him, you have started to build something special like these other teams have accomplished. Keep enough talent around them and you have an absolute tremendous chance at winning a championship.

jthig32 · 02-19-2011, 12:30 PM

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Thiggy... I think the overrated piece you are hitting Amare with has been fairly proven wrong (i.e. he was only good because of Nash). Dude has been pretty stellar this year. His shooting percentage is down, sure, but he is still shooting over 50%. His scoring, assists, blocks, and steals are also up.

As far as Carmello being overrated due to him not being able to be the best player on a championship team, well, isn't that subjective for a lot of the past championship winners? What I mean is, aside from maybe the Heat team that beat us and the Lakers recently where there is just a TON of overall talent but really only one true superstar, haven't all championship teams pretty much had two or three guys that are considered fairly equal in overall talent?

KG/Allen/Pierce
Duncan/Parker/Manu
Shaq/Kobe
Billups/Hamilton/Prince/Wallace

In my opinion, you can really only win a championship if you have an absolute freakishly awesome stud player (Kobe with a lot of help, Jordan with another top-50 player in Pippen, Wade + refs, etc) or with a number of them. Sorry, but an older Billups, oft-injured Nene, Terry-like streak shooter Smith, etc is not a cast like these past championship teams have had - yet he has still made them very good. It is really the KG factor.

NOW - if you put Carmelo on a team with Dirk, a guy that many would call an equal to him, you have started to build something special like these other teams have accomplished. Keep enough talent around them and you have an absolute tremendous chance at winning a championship.

Amare is a fantastic offensive player, no matter who he's playing with. But he's a horrendous defender, and has historically been a poor rebounder. Amare is great, and better than Carmelo, imo, but he's not an MVP candidate (which is why I think he's generally overrated) and is getting way more hype than he deserves because of where he's playing.

As to the rest of the point, I don't think Dirk and Carmelo are equal players, which is part of my point. Obviously who can and can't carry a team to a title given the right circumstances is very subjective and hard to pin down. I'm simply of the opinion that given the typical breakdown of talent on an NBA contender, if Carmelo is your best player than you better have two other players that are very, VERY close to him and compliment him perfectly.

Carmelo has, in general, been lumped into the same class as Lebron, Kobe, Wade, Dirk, Dwight Howard etc. and I don't think he belongs there. He's on the next tier.

And thus, overrated.....in my opinion.

Having said that, I'll gladly take him here given the right circumstances. But it's not happening. He's destined for NY and I look forward to their failure.

Dtownsfinest · 02-19-2011, 08:24 PM

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A contender for what? The playoffs? Maybe.

He's overrated because, while it's getting better, many fans still see raw scoring output and equate it to greatness, without considering what players have to do in order to accomplish their numbers. It's what lead people to fantastically overrate Allen Iverson and Gilbert Arenas, amongst others.

Carmelo is certainly not the chucker that those two players were, but he is very near the bottom of efficiency for the elite NBA scorers.

He's a great player but I don't think he's good enough to be the best player on a championship team, and I think most NBA fans would disagree, which is why I saw he's overrated.

Oh, and if he goes to New York, he will combine forces with another overrated NBA star (for different reasons) to play with the most overrated coach, and become a juggernaut of overratedness(probably not a real word).

Yea when I say contender I mean get his team into the playoffs. Actually have a legit shot at a title is a whole different subject. There's only a few guys that make that list and i'd say its about 3 or 4 and two of them play in Miami.

Just curious though. Do you believe Lebron is a better player than Melo? And by how much if so? Because I believe they're of the same caliber but most would consider Lebron a top 5 talent in this league.

jthig32 · 02-20-2011, 12:26 AM

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Yea when I say contender I mean get his team into the playoffs. Actually have a legit shot at a title is a whole different subject. There's only a few guys that make that list and i'd say its about 3 or 4 and two of them play in Miami.

Just curious though. Do you believe Lebron is a better player than Melo? And by how much if so? Because I believe they're of the same caliber but most would consider Lebron a top 5 talent in this league.

Lebron is the best player in the NBA. Carmelo is CLEARLY not on the level of Lebron.

Five-ofan · 02-21-2011, 05:08 PM

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I don't see how anyone who watches Carmelo play can say he's overrated. I just don't see it. You can bring up any stat you want but if you watch this guy play the guy can score from ANYWHERE on the court. Whether he's a top 5 player or not I don't know but he sure is a top 5 talent. Carmelo can go on any team in the league and make them a contender. That's not overrated.

This is the reason hes overrated. Everyone talks about how good he is from all over the court but hes only really a threat from 15 feet in. His efg/ts on jumpers is worse than Lebrons by a ton. Melo cant shoot and hes never been able to. What he can do is post and get to the rim. The smartest thing to do guarding him would be to put a 4 on him and play 3 feet off of him.

Dtownsfinest · 02-21-2011, 06:15 PM

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This is the reason hes overrated. Everyone talks about how good he is from all over the court but hes only really a threat from 15 feet in. His efg/ts on jumpers is worse than Lebrons by a ton. Melo cant shoot and hes never been able to. What he can do is post and get to the rim. The smartest thing to do guarding him would be to put a 4 on him and play 3 feet off of him.

Man Melo would burn any 4 you put on him. That would be the worst decision IMO. Can you imagine Dirk or KG having to stick him at mid range?

And let's factor in who Lebron plays with. He plays with Chris Bosh and Dwayne Wade. Melo plays with Billups and the inconsistent JR Smith. Unless you are referring to what Lebron did last season I don't see how you can compare the two.

And Melo can't shoot? He's not a great 3 point shooter but he has 3 point range. But that's not his game. His game is around the mid range and he dominates in that area. You won't find a better 3 in the league. I think he and Dirk compliment each other greatly. I think Dirk's game compliments just about any star in this league since he's such a accurate shooter.

But you say Melo is overrated because of the notion that he can score all over the floor? Are you saying he can't?

Five-ofan · 02-21-2011, 09:48 PM

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Man Melo would burn any 4 you put on him. That would be the worst decision IMO. Can you imagine Dirk or KG having to stick him at mid range?

And let's factor in who Lebron plays with. He plays with Chris Bosh and Dwayne Wade. Melo plays with Billups and the inconsistent JR Smith. Unless you are referring to what Lebron did last season I don't see how you can compare the two.

And Melo can't shoot? He's not a great 3 point shooter but he has 3 point range. But that's not his game. His game is around the mid range and he dominates in that area. You won't find a better 3 in the league. I think he and Dirk compliment each other greatly. I think Dirk's game compliments just about any star in this league since he's such a accurate shooter.

But you say Melo is overrated because of the notion that he can score all over the floor? Are you saying he can't?

You are proving my point. Hes a bad shooter on midrange jumpers too. If hes past 15 feet, hes not a threat. Ask yourself why would a guy whos so good at getting to the rim and posting still shoots 45%? because he cant shoot.

I didnt mean everyone should put a 4 on him but an athletic 4 giving him room? Id take my chances

bernardos70 · 02-19-2011, 10:17 AM

....as a second scorer on an already solid team. Not as a first option. It has a lot to do with how you perceive he is being rated in the league, so in a way it is semantics.

mavs777 · 02-19-2011, 11:46 AM

His true shooting percentage is 54.7 % he isn't in the world of Wade, Lebron, Dirks, Durant, but I do still think he is 10-15 player that would thrive great as a second option, Karl has maybe given him too much freedom, and he hasn't had a second option the last couple of years.

His best year was 07-08 when AI gave him a ton of help

EricaLubarsky · 02-19-2011, 01:24 PM

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His true shooting percentage is 54.7 % he isn't in the world of Wade, Lebron, Dirks, Durant, but I do still think he is 10-15 player that would thrive great as a second option, Karl has maybe given him too much freedom, and he hasn't had a second option the last couple of years.

His best year was 07-08 when AI gave him a ton of help

His TS% would be 5th on this team

Male30Dan · 02-19-2011, 04:01 PM

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His TS% would be 5th on this team

Yeah... 26 year old small forwards that throw up 25ppg on 45% shooting as the number one option on a team that is consistently successful in the regular season (and just ask Dallas how successful they can be in the Playoffs) while pulling down more rebounds (7.6 vs. 6.6) than our 7 foot power forward, 8.3 free throws per game, 2.8 assists, and a PER of 21.49 (Dirk has a 23.73) grow on trees. Fuck that guy. I pass too.

I swear to god. Baseball, football, basketball... Nerd stats just absolutely kill people's ability to form rational thought.

jthig32 · 02-19-2011, 05:47 PM

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Yeah... 26 year old small forwards that throw up 25ppg on 45% shooting as the number one option on a team that is consistently successful in the regular season (and just ask Dallas how successful they can be in the Playoffs) while pulling down more rebounds (7.6 vs. 6.6) than our 7 foot power forward, 8.3 free throws per game, 2.8 assists, and a PER of 21.49 (Dirk has a 23.73) grow on trees. Fuck that guy. I pass too.

I swear to god. Baseball, football, basketball... Nerd stats just absolutely kill people's ability to form rational thought.

That's a hell of a straw man you just built.

Erica's being a bit more dismissive of his ability than I would, but all she really said was that she doesn't think he's a superstar.

Male30Dan · 02-19-2011, 08:38 PM

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That's a hell of a straw man you just built.

Erica's being a bit more dismissive of his ability than I would, but all she really said was that she doesn't think he's a superstar.

Edit... I won't be an ass in public (of course, being a mod - feel free to read the edit).

mavs777 · 02-19-2011, 07:02 PM

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His TS% would be 5th on this team

You are comparing apples to oranges, he would get much less doubles on this team and better looks

CadBane · 02-20-2011, 01:20 AM

By the way, Amare has only ONCE been top 10 in ANY rebounding category.

Male30Dan · 02-20-2011, 02:25 AM

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By the way, Amare has only ONCE been top 10 in ANY rebounding category.

Nice cherry picking...

02-03: 13th in overall rebounding (1.1 RPG behind Dirk's 9.9 in 8 fewer MPG)
03-04: 15th in overall rebounding (.4 RPG ahead of Dirk's 8.7 in 1.8 fewer MPG)
04-05: 17th in overall rebounding (.7 RPG behind Dirk's 9.7 in 2.6 fewer MPG)
05-06: INJURED
06-07: 9th in overall rebounding (.7 RPG ahead of Dirk's 8.9 in 3.4 fewer MPG)
07-08: 18th in overall rebounding (.5 RPG ahead of Dirk's 8.6 in 2.1 fewer MPG)
08-09: 20th in overall rebounding (.3 RPG behind Dirk's 8.4 in .9 fewer MPG)
09-10: 17th in overall rebounding (1.2 RPG ahead of Dirk's 7.7 in 2.9 fewer MPG)
10-11: Currently 15th in overall rebounding (2.0 RPG ahead of Dirk's 6.6 in 2.5 more MPG)

In the 8 seasons that Amare has played at least 50 games he has had better rebounding numbers than Dirk 5 times (4 of which were playing fewer minutes).

Yeah, what a slouch this guy is.

CadBane · 02-20-2011, 02:23 AM

Bullshit.

So first you call Dirk a bad rebounder, and compare his rebounding to Amare's.

I disprove both lies, and you come back with what? He's a bad offensive rebounder? So what.

The fact is, Dirk was a very good rebounder, period. He was an elite defensive rebounder. Top 5 in DRR% twice.

Looking at Dirk's raw rebound numbers this year is irrelevant. His minutes are way down. His DRR% is still HIGHER than Aldridge, Amare, and Bosh. So yes, even this year he is an average rebounder.

Male30Dan · 02-20-2011, 02:28 AM

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Bullshit.

So first you call Dirk a bad rebounder, and compare his rebounding to Amare's.

I disprove both lies, and you come back with what? He's a bad offensive rebounder? So what.

The fact is, Dirk was a very good rebounder, period. He was an elite defensive rebounder. Top 5 in DRR% twice.

Looking at Dirk's raw rebound numbers this year is irrelevant. His minutes are way down. His DRR% is still HIGHER than Aldridge, Amare, and Bosh. So yes, even this year he is an average rebounder.

First of all, I didn't call Dirk bad at rebounding you dumbass.

You can call bullshit all you want but facts are facts. He was a very good defensive rebounder and a very, very bad offensive rebounder (one of the all time worst when you compare the ratios). Amare is no where near the poor rebounder you make him out to be, as was pointed out in my last post.

And no, looking at Dirk's raw numbers this year is not in any way irrelevant. He is playing 34.5 MPG and should be doing a LOT better than 6.6 RPG. And don't compare his defensive rebounding numbers to others - compare his overall rebounding numbers to others. Where does his 6.6 stack up currently?

CadBane · 02-20-2011, 03:44 AM

His offensive rebounding numbers are irrelevant because that's not part of his game. Most offensive rebounds are the result of guys missing their own shots to begin with. If offensive rebounds were so important, then people would have been shelling out 15 mill a year to Danny Fortson. Defensive rebounding is the sign of a good or bad rebounder. Dirk has always been a significantly better defensive rebounder than Amare (22% career to Amare's 19.8%).

Lets not even get into the asinine defense remark you made, comparing the two as equal defensively, which is LAUGHABLE. Actually, lets not let you off the hook there since you said it.

The Knicks give up SEVEN MORE points per 100 possessions with Amare on court defensively.

The Mavs EIGHT LESS points per 100 possessions with Dirk on court defensively.

That's a MASSIVE 15 point swing, because Amare, despite flashy blocks, is a horrible defender. One of the worst starting PFs, just a notch above Love. While Dirk is actually a good defender.

So you want to field that one, dumbass?

Male30Dan · 02-20-2011, 02:27 PM

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His offensive rebounding numbers are irrelevant because that's not part of his game. Most offensive rebounds are the result of guys missing their own shots to begin with. If offensive rebounds were so important, then people would have been shelling out 15 mill a year to Danny Fortson. Defensive rebounding is the sign of a good or bad rebounder. Dirk has always been a significantly better defensive rebounder than Amare (22% career to Amare's 19.8%).

Lets not even get into the asinine defense remark you made, comparing the two as equal defensively, which is LAUGHABLE. Actually, lets not let you off the hook there since you said it.

The Knicks give up SEVEN MORE points per 100 possessions with Amare on court defensively.

The Mavs EIGHT LESS points per 100 possessions with Dirk on court defensively.

That's a MASSIVE 15 point swing, because Amare, despite flashy blocks, is a horrible defender. One of the worst starting PFs, just a notch above Love. While Dirk is actually a good defender.

So you want to field that one, dumbass?

No, that isn't typically the result of offensive rebounds. Offensive rebounds are all about desire and want-to off of all misses - your own and otherwise. Considering Dirk is one of the most efficient players in the NBA he doesn't put up a ton of shots. That means there are a lot of other shots on offense he could pull down. He doesn't. To pass that off as irrelevant and then drop Danny Fing Fortson as your reasoning is just retarded. And I'm talking Rain Man retarded (you know, good with stats but no Fing common sense). Of course, if the shoe fits, right?

Now, regarding defense, while I never said that Dirk and Amare were actually equal defensively (that is the 2nd time you suggested I said something I didn't you moron - read please) please understand that the PP100P stat takes into account other defenders as well. What does that mean you ask? Well, when Dirk is on the court, considering he is a starter, he also played frequently with Butler (while healthy), Chandler, Kidd, etc... He is also paired up a good bit with Marion. When he sits? Yeah, mostly Barea, Terry, etc... Same with Stoudemire. He has always been on poor defensive clubs with poor coaching. Phoenix never had great defenders and NY isn't a top notch defensive club either (though they do have a few good individual defenders).

Amare's biggest problem is Dan Tony but my point is that with that stat it isn't just about one guy. Raymond Felton, fellow NY Knick for example, is considered a good defender but he is currently giving up TWELVE more points per 100 possessions using Basketball-Reference.com's DRtg stat. Likewise, Ronny Turiaf is another good defender on the Knicks that is giving up that same SEVEN more points per 100 possessions. Dirk using that stat? 5 more points per 100 possessions - a difference of 2 vs. Amare - with a defensive minded coach and with better individual defenders around him. Again, I am not saying Amare is Dirk's equal defensively, but suggesting they are light years apart is just stupid.

Please keep coming with your ignorance - beating you aside your head with "NBA for Dummies" is actually entertaining during this slow weekend.

mavs777 · 02-20-2011, 04:32 AM

Both defensive and offensive rebounding matter, the reason its not a part of his game is because he is bad at it? So I guess free throws don't matter for Dwight 2?