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jthig32 · 03-06-2011, 10:09 PM

I'm really pissed about this one.

I'm sure I'll contribute some actual analysis at some point.

xrobx · 03-06-2011, 10:10 PM

carlisle's fault. roddy was on fire. no excuse.

jthig32 · 03-06-2011, 10:12 PM

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carlisle's fault. roddy was on fire. no excuse.

Right, because offense was the problem.

<Insert giant eye roll here>

I do wish Roddy had gotten a couple minutes in the fourth, but this was not Rick's fault and Roddy not playing more in the second half had nothing to do with this loss.

xrobx · 03-06-2011, 10:14 PM

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Originally Posted by jthig32

Right, because offense was the problem.

<Insert giant eye roll here>

I do wish Roddy had gotten a couple minutes in the fourth, but this was not Rick's fault and Roddy not playing more in the second half had nothing to do with this loss.

you're right, it's perfectly acceptable to bench the team's leading scorer early in the 3rd never to return. any sensible person would do that.

jthig32 · 03-06-2011, 10:16 PM

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you're right, it's perfectly acceptable to bench the team's leading scorer early in the 3rd never to return. any sensible person would do that.

So your official position is that offense was the reason we lost this game. Ok.

FINtastic · 03-06-2011, 10:13 PM

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Originally Posted by xrobx

carlisle's fault. roddy was on fire. no excuse.

Not sure who you sit. We haven't done a lot of three guard lineup with Roddy, and do you want to take Kidd out and try your chances with Roddy and JET together as your guards? Sitting JET wasn't going to win us this game. Roddy was great tonight, but JET was pretty good himself.

jthig32 · 03-06-2011, 10:15 PM

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Not sure who you sit. We haven't done a lot of three guard lineup with Roddy, and do you want to take Kidd out and try your chances with Roddy and JET together as your guards? Sitting JET wasn't going to win us this game. Roddy was great tonight, but JET was pretty good himself.

They played the three guard lineup for about a minute and a half in the fourth. I would have liked to see Roddy play those minutes instead of JJ, based on how well he played in the first half.

But it's not a huge deal.

FINtastic · 03-06-2011, 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by jthig32

They played the three guard lineup for about a minute and a half in the fourth. I would have liked to see Roddy play those minutes instead of JJ, based on how well he played in the first half.

But it's not a huge deal.

Yeah, but how much have we done the three guard lineup with Roddy specifically as a part? That was the point I was trying to make. We've done Kidd-JET-Barea quite a bit so I think Carlisle trusts the chemistry there.

It might have been something to try, but I can understand if Carlisle doesn't want to experiment during a close game like this. And it's not like Barea was playing all that bad himself up until that point.

Fragism · 03-06-2011, 10:11 PM

I'm waiting how long we're gonna have to have Peja in the starting line up before Brewer replaces him.

clutch#41 · 03-06-2011, 10:14 PM

Peja+Minutes= BENCH!!!!

MavsFTR · 03-06-2011, 10:16 PM

We lost cos of poor D the entire second half, not because Roddy was benched. Still, I hate how short a leash he is on.

sefant77 · 03-06-2011, 10:17 PM

Mavs started to play really sloppy in the 3rd and invited the Grizzlies to become red hot and Memphis as a team is able to do, specially in the paint. Additonally every freaking ball went in or o-rebound went to them (Conleys three boucing high and back off the board inside, Battiers late rebound etc).

Kidd played like ass

Peja played beyond ass

Roddy didnt deserve not to play for the whole last 1.5 quarters

Marion had a solid all around game but some huge brainfarts (TO and his last crunchtime brick).

First Afflalo going insane in the 4th scoring like 20p and now the Grizzlies with Zach and Conley. This two losses really hurt, lets see if they REALLY hurt after the last game...

tcat075 · 03-06-2011, 10:17 PM

Brewer's averaging 36 fouls per 36 minutes. I wanted to put it per 48 minutes, but I couldn't find a place with that stat and wasn't sure I could do the mental math. /sarcasm

edit: I take that back, of course B-R hasn't updated reference. I'm sure he lowered it to a more respectable number like 22 with his 3 fouls in 10 minutes tonight.

nowhereman · 03-06-2011, 10:17 PM

All I can think of is Golden State

clutch#41 · 03-06-2011, 10:18 PM

peja got more minutes than brewer..smh..

FINtastic · 03-06-2011, 10:18 PM

Still can't believe the two final shots that Memphis hit. That was pretty freaking lucky.

Oh well, this is why you have to appreciate a streak where you win 18 out of 19. It's hard to do. This is also why I said during the Laker game that it's pretty unrealistic to think you can catch the Spurs. Sometimes the ball just doesn't bounce your way.

jthig32 · 03-06-2011, 10:18 PM

Shawn Marion has got to pass to the open wings on the second to last possession of the game (not counting the one with .3 on the clock). He threw up some absolute trash and Kidd AND Jet were wide open behind the three line. Very disappointing. I love Shawn and I love the way he's been playing but he has to be smarter than that.

Popeye · 03-06-2011, 10:22 PM

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Shawn Marion has got to pass to the open wings on the second to last possession of the game (not counting the one with .3 on the clock). He threw up some absolute trash and Kidd AND Jet were wide open behind the three line. Very disappointing. I love Shawn and I love the way he's been playing but he has to be smarter than that.

Because offense was the problem...

jthig32 · 03-06-2011, 10:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Popeye

Because offense was the problem...

So..what...this is you passively aggressively coming after my comments on Roddy's minutes?

Are you able to understand the distinction between "player x needs to do this better" and "this specific thing is the reason we lost this game"?

Seems pretty clear no?

chumdawg · 03-06-2011, 10:37 PM

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Originally Posted by jthig32

Are you able to understand the distinction between "player x needs to do this better" and "this specific thing is the reason we lost this game"?

Seems pretty clear no?

I'm not speaking for him, but given the context, I'm not sure I'm able to draw the distinction. How do you see the distinction in your mind?

Popeye · 03-06-2011, 10:37 PM

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Originally Posted by jthig32

So..what...this is you passively aggressively coming after my comments on Roddy's minutes?

Are you able to understand the distinction between "player x needs to do this better" and "this specific thing is the reason we lost this game"?

Seems pretty clear no?

I'm pointing out that your posts were inconsistent. I didn't realize I was being passive aggressive about it. You said Roddy's offense wouldn't have helped because that wasn't the problem, and then in the next post you point to an offensive possession as the reason we lost.

jthig32 · 03-06-2011, 10:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Popeye

I'm pointing out that your posts were inconsistent. I didn't realize I was being passive aggressive about it. You said Roddy's offense wouldn't have helped because that wasn't the problem, and then in the next post you point to an offensive possession as the reason we lost.

Roddy's offense would have come at the expense of Jet's, so no, I don't think it would have helped.

And the poster that I was responding to was pushing the notion that Roddy not playing was THE reason we lost, instead of A reason.

And I did not say that Marion's poor play was the reason we lost.

clutch#41 · 03-06-2011, 10:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Popeye

Because offense was the problem...

popeye? really. did u watch the game?? this was the 2nd to last possesion of the game when u need offense!! idiot in my napolean dynamite voice lol

tcat075 · 03-06-2011, 10:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Popeye

Because offense was the problem...

Yes, if our defense had played a little better, we'd have won. But if our offense had played better, even though it played pretty well, we would also have won. Its pretty simple. Marion kicking to a wide open, clutch Kidd or Terry helps the offense. After losses, you find and point out problems. There were a lot more with the defense, but this is one of the offensive problems jthig is pointing out.

JCmasta · 03-06-2011, 10:19 PM

Marion commits mindnumbing turnovers, Kidd pretends to be Brett Favre for a day, RC keeps them in during crunch time. Memphis lived in the paint, got O rebound after O rebound, and most of the bounces went their way.

If i'm a Memphis fan i'm begging to play Dallas in the first round, why can't we ever impose our will on a team and dominate them? If this was in Memphis then i'd forgive it but this is our home court. There's not one team at the bottom of the west that i'm even 90% sure we could beat, everyone scares me like always.

We'll never get respect this way.

ShaggyDirk · 03-06-2011, 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by JCmasta

Marion commits mindnumbing turnovers, Kidd pretends to be Brett Favre for a day, RC keeps them in during crunch time. Memphis lived in the paint, got O rebound after O rebound, and most of the bounces went their way.

If i'm a Memphis fan i'm begging to play Dallas in the first round, why can't we ever impose our will on a team and dominate them? If this was in Memphis then i'd forgive it but this is our home court. There's not one team at the bottom of the west that i'm even 90% sure we could beat, everyone scares me like always.

We'll never get respect this way.

seriously?

tcat075 · 03-06-2011, 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by ShaggyDirk

seriously?

PGT after a loss = overreaction central.

jthig32 · 03-06-2011, 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by JCmasta

Marion commits mindnumbing turnovers, Kidd pretends to be Brett Favre for a day, RC keeps them in during crunch time. Memphis lived in the paint, got O rebound after O rebound, and most of the bounces went their way.

If i'm a Memphis fan i'm begging to play Dallas in the first round, why can't we ever impose our will on a team and dominate them? If this was in Memphis then i'd forgive it but this is our home court. There's not one team at the bottom of the west that i'm even 90% sure we could beat, everyone scares me like always.

We'll never get respect this way.

You realize you're complaining about ORebounds and then advocating benching the guy that led us in rebounds by a mile?

Speaking of rebounds...this is one of those games where Dirk not rebounding really, really hurts.

As far as being concerned about the first round matchup...meh...whatever. The Mavs destroyed Memphis for an entire half of basketball and then let up. While it's very frustrating that they let up (I'm pretty pissed about it actually), I wouldn't say I'm all that scared of playing them in the playoffs.

FINtastic · 03-06-2011, 10:28 PM

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You realize you're complaining about ORebounds and then advocating benching the guy that led us in rebounds by a mile?

Speaking of rebounds...this is one of those games where Dirk not rebounding really, really hurts.

As far as being concerned about the first round matchup...meh...whatever. The Mavs destroyed Memphis for an entire half of basketball and then let up. While it's very frustrating that they let up (I'm pretty pissed about it actually), I wouldn't say I'm all that scared of playing them in the playoffs.

Yeah, as much as I want to bag on Marion, he's the one guy tonight who really gave us anything on the boards. It would have been pretty ugly without him in there.

That being said, he had a rough night in pretty much all other phases of the game.

I agree about not getting worried about facing Memphis . Considering the players we've been missing when playing them, I'd say their record head-to-head is kind of fool's gold right now. It's not a great matchup, but I get the feeling that we are going to start hearing the media overreact about this being another Warriors matchup.

Lor20 · 03-06-2011, 10:43 PM

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Yeah, as much as I want to bag on Marion, he's the one guy tonight who really gave us anything on the boards. It would have been pretty ugly without him in there.

That being said, he had a rough night in pretty much all other phases of the game.

I agree about not getting worried about facing Memphis . Considering the players we've been missing when playing them, I'd say their record head-to-head is kind of fool's gold right now. It's not a great matchup, but I get the feeling that we are going to start hearing the media overreact about this being another Warriors matchup.

well... looking at marions box score... he did have 12 boards BUT:
his two offensive boards were both in the same possession
of the 10 defensive boards 2 were rebounds after missed free throws, 4 were after missed threes and 1 was at the end of the half. they were not quality boards by any stretch.

we got less than 50% of the defensive rebounds from their missed 2pt field goal attempts.

lack of hustle, lack of concentration maybe and also partially the way we play defense.

FINtastic · 03-06-2011, 10:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Lor20

well... looking at marions box score... he did have 12 boards BUT:
his two offensive boards were both in the same possession
of the 10 defensive boards 2 were rebounds after missed free throws, 4 were after missed threes and 1 was at the end of the half. they were not quality boards by any stretch.

we got less than 50% of the defensive rebounds from their missed 2pt field goal attempts.

lack of hustle, lack of concentration maybe and also partially the way we play defense.

Huh? How do you qualify "quality" boards? Here's the thing, if you goof on the "easy" rebounds and let the other team get to them, you're still screwed. I also don't like the whole bit where people discount a particular stat when no one else on the team seemed to be able to get to these "easy" rebounds.

ribosoma · 03-06-2011, 10:21 PM

It seemed like every possible bounce went the way of the geographically-puzzling Grizzlies tonight. The bounce-bank three, the Marion goaltend, the batted passes/turnovers that became easy buckets...

I really wish that Dirk had pulled up from the freethrow line with the mismatch late in the game when he decided to hit Marion for the 8-foot flip.

Marion from 3 feet with the flip? Good.

Marion from 8 feet with the flip? Awful.

The two consecutive entry passes that were stolen after good defensive possessions in the 4th really hurt, not to mention giving up 41 points in the 3rd quarter.

Hopefully the Mavs will learn that you cannot play with your food when your food is a playoff-caliber team.

And hopefully Peja can use a GPS to find out where the hell his shot has gone.

clutch#41 · 03-06-2011, 10:21 PM

what pisses me off the most about this game.. is that we could have gained a game on the spurs!!!

xrobx · 03-06-2011, 10:22 PM

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what pisses me off the most about this game.. is that we could have gained a game on the spurs!!!

forget about the spurs. lakers are now just 1 game behind us, and they don't look like they're losing any time soon.

StackAttack · 03-07-2011, 03:54 AM

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Originally Posted by clutch#41

what pisses me off the most about this game.. is that we could have gained a game on the spurs!!!

It should probably piss you off more that the Lakers gained a game on us.

j0Shi · 03-06-2011, 10:22 PM

OffEff: 112.71
DefEff: 116.06

First half efficiency on defense was around 85! There is no excuse in my eyes. Completely speechless about the fact that a brilliant first half turns into a third quarter like that. If I was Haywood I would be really pissed. He worked hard on defense, but Memphis converted virtually every block into a basket. Kidd got Memphis started in the third quarter in my eyes. He had at least 3 consecutive passes that led to turnovers.

MavsFTR · 03-06-2011, 10:23 PM

Can't wait to have TC back to clog the lanes again.

DevinHarriswillstart · 03-06-2011, 10:31 PM

Just got back from the game...my observations....

-Haywood didn't play well until later in the second half. What is is going to motivate him for a whole game?

-Peja was awful. Absolutely didn't deserve 1 minute in this game. If this doesn't lose him the starting job then nothing will.

-Roddy does need more minutes, but the issue is that he and Terry essentially provide the same thing...all offense and no anything else really. The 2 guards and JJ really aren't the issue though.

-Ian wasn't good. Picked up some really dumb fouls.

-Thought Brewer was a small bright spot since he has been a Maverick for a few days. He was a helluva lot better than Blowakovic.

I'm sure there will be a lot of knee-jerkin and rightfully so. What happens if we meet them in the first round? Ugh...

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JCmasta · 03-06-2011, 10:40 PM

I just want to know what's going through RC's mind. What's with the godawful lineups? Why isn't Dirk getting superstar minutes? Why is Dirk standing around like a RP instead of being fed the ball? Why is there such a short leash on Roddy?

Why does this organization like stubborn coaches who overmanage?

jthig32 · 03-06-2011, 10:43 PM

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Originally Posted by JCmasta

I just want to know what's going through RC's mind. What's with the godawful lineups? Why isn't Dirk getting superstar minutes? Why is Dirk standing around like a RP instead of being fed the ball? Why is there such a short leash on Roddy?

Why does this organization like stubborn coaches who overmanage?

So you want Dirk getting more minutes in this one when we have three more games in the next four nights......

Dirk also had the most shots on the team.....

Where would you like Roddy's minutes to come from? His counterpart at SG was our best player in this game.