03-21-2003, 04:31 AM
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Fox News is reporting that Pentagon officials are currently in high level diplomatic negoiations with top Iraqi military leaders which may result in the mass surrender of up to 50% of the Iraqi armed forces including upto 20% of the Republican guard. So much for Bush abandoing diplomacy. Very good chance that this can be settled very quickly after dropping just a couple of bombs to show we mean business. Amazing what a pair of balls will do to get the diplomatic talks going isn't it?
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03-21-2003, 07:27 AM
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This is great news. Not just for the current situation, but I would suggest for the future of Iraq.
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03-21-2003, 05:16 PM
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Diplomatic success. No other way to interpret it.
It's nice that we have a President with a set.
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04-01-2004, 11:49 AM
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RE: For all the American hating, Saddam loving, fools who have said America has abandoned diplomacy
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...this can be settled very quickly after dropping just a couple of bombs...
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Hum...
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04-01-2004, 06:04 PM
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RE:For all the American hating, Saddam loving, fools who have said America has abandoned diplomacy
Usually diplomacy is the talk before violence. We took over a whole country through military force, are dropping bombs on strategic sites and are calling it diplomacy? Hmmm....
I also don't think the war was necessary and I don't like Saddam and I don't hate America. Im not sure Im a fool either.
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04-02-2004, 12:20 AM
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RE:For all the American hating, Saddam loving, fools who have said America has abandoned diplomacy
We only prosecuted 17 us resolutions, freed a people from rape rooms, tongues torn out, children gassed, two invasions of other countries and was openly supportive of terrorists and homicide bombers.
Sadaam could have stopped this invasion anytime he wanted, however he thought that his buddies in france, germany and russia would somehow stop that cowboy bush. Since they were so chummy with food-for-oil contracts.
Just because liberals would rather sadaam hussein still be in power to brutalize his people and threaten the middle east doesn't alllow them to somehow take the "high" road on this. Liberals would have been just fine with the status quo in iraq, libya, afghanistan. As long as we handled terrorism in the way that clinton so successfully defeated terrorists liberals would still be happy.
Ridiculous and unserious. It would be so much better to not take the impetus of sept 11 and the american attack to go back to not doing anything about it that will make a difference.
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04-02-2004, 12:34 AM
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RE:For all the American hating, Saddam loving, fools who have said America has abandoned diplomacy
Oh come on. No liberal wanted Saddam Hussein in power. Get real, dude.
We just listened to the UN when they said a war in Iraq would kill 5,000 to 10,000 Iraqi casualties. As the war goes on the numbers are sure to be higher. 4,895 to 6,370 civilians have been killed so far. 3,457 Americans have been wounded. 601 American GIs have been killed.
Please tell me how Saddam could have stopped the invasion? By showing his "weapons of mass destruction"?
Also tell me how overthrowing Saddam Hussein is connected to Septemeber 11th? I think you are a little hasty there.
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04-02-2004, 12:39 AM
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RE:For all the American hating, Saddam loving, fools who have said America has abandoned diplomacy
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Originally posted by: EricaLubarsky
Oh come on. No liberal wanted Saddam Hussein in power. Get real, dude.
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Sure they did. They wanted us to:
- Stop the embargo.
- Stop the no-fly zones.
- Basically leave him alone as long as he didn't do anything else. Of course he would have. Not to mention the embargo was crumbling with no way to continue it with our "allies" the french, germans and russians.
The STATUS QUO WAS SADAAM. You don't get to have it both ways.
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We just listened to the UN when they said a war in Iraq would kill 5,000 to 10,000 Iraqi casualties. As the war goes on the numbers are sure to be higher. IT is way more complex than you can think.
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Just ask the iraqis themselves what they want. Do they want us to leave, no. Do they think that their lives will be better now, yes. Only the dead-enders who were living on sadaams evils and wealth are the ones who KNOW that their way of "life" i.e. brutality is over.
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Please tell me how Saddam could have stopped the invasion? By showing his "weapons of mass destruction"?
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Yes quite frankly. He was given one last chance UNANIMOUSLY to pro-actively show where his WMD's were destroyed and how they were destroyed. Even Hans Blix said that he was not complying with the order. He always had the abilty to stay in power if he would have like south africa and now libya opened up his books and "proved", yes proved what had happened to the WMDs he had created.
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