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FreshJive · 06-18-2021, 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Dtownsfinest

Naw I'm not going to filter to myself whether its popular or not...I was just saying I went to clarify that I would not take Bamba over Luka today...probably would've on draft day and would've been wrong.

But I do see potential with Bamba. I think he Magic do too so they probably wouldn't trade him but if they ever wanted to I'd see what they'd want.

That's why we shouldn't be GMs. It's fun to discuss this stuff, but at the end of the day, we are all bad at it.

Bryan_Wilson · 06-18-2021, 11:23 AM

https://twitter.com/TheSteinLine/sta...20930442919937

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Former Mavericks star Dirk Nowitzki tells
@NYTSports
that he is rejoining the organization as special advisor.

Nowitzki's first assignment at the request of Mavericks owner Mark Cuban: Assisting the team in its search for a new head of basketball operations and then coach.

FreshJive · 06-18-2021, 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Bryan_Wilson

https://twitter.com/TheSteinLine/sta...20930442919937

OMG. Maybe God is real.

Dallas41 · 06-18-2021, 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

This is pretty damning against Rick. I know TMac likes to stir the pot, but this info was bound to come out sooner or later. Wonder if Rick quit to try and get ahead of this kind of info to try and save face.

Just think the reality is there was no way Rick was coaching next season. Cuban would have had to fire him after this stuff came out.

https://twitter.com/RKonkle_Mavs/sta...51146044289026

Unbelievable

Even when a few of us voiced our complaints against RC dude had so many apologist on this site.

Some of them despite all this recent news would probably still defend the guy.

They would still except all his 1st round exits and act like his coaching was not part of the problem.

How quickly people forget Rick had to basically be talked into playing D.Stevenson by J.Kidd, T.Chandler and S.Marion or else we might not have even won that Championship season because Rick probably would have had some poor defensive player on the floor taking away all of Stevenson's minutes with his fucked up lineups.

Then Imagine some of the guys who would play well for a game or two and not even sniff the court again for 10-15 games. He always used that be ready attitude and when certain guys played well under his rule he'd still bench their ass for weeks.

So I'm be real here I'm glad Luka is finally the guy who has stood up and spoken up to Rick's bullshit

No other players beyond Dirk has really had that power to call out Rick and unfortunately Dirk isn't the type of guy to speak much.

So it sounds like Rick knew he wasn't going to win the battle vs Luka

Thank you Luka for being that guy who ultimately got Rick's ass out of here otherwise he would have become the new Tom Landry regardless of how many post season flops he had.

JustJay · 06-18-2021, 11:57 AM

If Celtics are blowing up and if they were willing I'm not sure if they would be but KP for Brown might be good for both teams. Ok maybe better for us Brown is a damn good player.

Dtownsfinest · 06-18-2021, 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by FreshJive

That's why we shouldn't be GMs. It's fun to discuss this stuff, but at the end of the day, we are all bad at it.

While true.....like someone stated earlier we don't have the same information at our disposal as they do....and for the most part when it comes to the draft it seems like the Mavs are getting in their own way as opposed to just striking out.

Had they drafted Trae Young over Luka.....I could live with that.

Dtownsfinest · 06-18-2021, 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by JustJay

If Celtics are blowing up and if they were willing I'm not sure if they would be but KP for Brown might be good for both teams. Ok maybe better for us Brown is a damn good player.

If they are blowing it up they wouldn't want KP or his contract. That being said, I don't think they are blowing it up. They are building around the core of Brown and Tatum.

DevinHarriswillstart · 06-18-2021, 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by JustJay

If Celtics are blowing up and if they were willing I'm not sure if they would be but KP for Brown might be good for both teams. Ok maybe better for us Brown is a damn good player.

If they are blowing it up, then why would they want a gimpy 2nd rate player that is still owed 100 million?

JustJay · 06-18-2021, 12:04 PM

Blowing it up doesnt mean not wanting to contend, it just means dramatically changing the team as it's currently constructed.

True they probably wouldn't do that deal but KP in NY was damn good they may think it's system. Maybe if we had some firsts to add to it but no such luck.

Dtownsfinest · 06-18-2021, 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by JustJay

Blowing it up doesnt mean not wanting to contend, it just means dramatically changing the team as it's currently constructed.

True they probably wouldn't do that deal but KP in NY was damn good they may think it's system. Maybe if we had some firsts to add to it but no such luck.

Yeah but why in their right mind would they give us Jaylen Brown for KP? MAYBE Marcus Smart in a deal?

FreshJive · 06-18-2021, 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Dtownsfinest

While true.....like someone stated earlier we don't have the same information at our disposal as they do....and for the most part when it comes to the draft it seems like the Mavs are getting in their own way as opposed to just striking out.

Had they drafted Trae Young over Luka.....I could live with that.

They didn't draft Trey Young over Luka, because Atlanta preferred him, and had the higher draft pick, and also because they had the information that they aren't passing out to dumbass forum posters like ourselves. We all wanted a big dude to go with DSJ who is about to be out of the league. But hey we all wanted Bey over Green so we are all fucking geniuses.

FreshJive · 06-18-2021, 12:29 PM

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Yeah but why in their right mind would they give us Jaylen Brown for KP? MAYBE Marcus Smart in a deal?

Nope. Probably not even Smart.

Bryan_Wilson · 06-18-2021, 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by FreshJive

They didn't draft Trey Young over Luka, because Atlanta preferred him, and had the higher draft pick, and also because they had the information that they aren't passing out to dumbass forum posters like ourselves. We all wanted a big dude to go with DSJ who is about to be out of the league. But hey we all wanted Bey over Green so we are all fucking geniuses.

I readily admit I didn't like Bey all that much. I liked Bane more then Bey and would have traded up to get him at the end of the first for sure to get that extra year. I still think it's too early to write off Green, I wasn't a huge fan of Green either but his defense and lateral movement are far superior to bey. The shocker for me was his corner 3 going from good and borderline great in college to air ball and side of backboard in pro. Maybe more playtime will help him.

Some Guy · 06-18-2021, 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Bryan_Wilson

You honestly have to wonder how much of this was the existence of shadow bob and how much was on donnie and how much is on cuban or finley etc. Because we all thought it was weird when Barnes was traded during a game, that just doesn't happen. And then the weird Miami heat failed trade that said there were misunderstandings on what the trade parameters were. It sure does make sense that all these miscommunications comes from too many cooks in the kitchen so to speak... if a team is talking with Donnie one call and Bob on another and Fin in another and Cuban gives the ok to one of them I can see it leading to all these kinds of issues and then some.

An utter shit show imo.

And Donnie was fired because he wanted Cuban to fix that problem?
This all points to Cuban being the problem - and he's still here (and Bob as well?).

Bryan_Wilson · 06-18-2021, 12:46 PM

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And Donnie was fired because he wanted Cuban to fix that problem?
This all points to Cuban being the problem - and he's still here (and Bob as well?).

According to Tmac Donnie was fired after the Athletic ran the story. It's called a mutual parting of ways but it wasn't- Cuban was not happy about that story and it's pretty easy to guess where the sources for it came from. Having said that Donnie likely saw the writing on the wall, If Cuban wanted Rick here and this shadow bob wasn't well known the obvious scape goat was Donnie.

But yeah Cuban is the central problem in all of this it looks like and shadow bob is not under contract but we have no idea if he will be.... which is awesome.

Some Guy · 06-18-2021, 12:47 PM

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This. I think Luka's got a Houston version of James Harden in him. We know that Luka's going to produce tremendous numbers while desiring very white gloved treatment - just like Harden did. Harden also created a lot of dissatisfaction within the organization because well...he called the shots and created a lot of fear in others. And in the end, it didn't work out and not only did it not work out, Harden didn't make anyone else around him any better during his Rockets tenure. Will Luka follow in those same footsteps? I sure hope not.

I think a big difference (so far, at least) between Luka and Harden is that Luka seems to care about how other people are treated. These reports are that he was upset Salah was mistreated, not that Luka himself was. And that is consistent with how he always seems to talk up other players in post game interviews. With the things he said to Dorian, and how he passed him the ball late in games, you can see that he is trying to make his teammates better.
Harden seems to only care about himself.

DevinHarriswillstart · 06-18-2021, 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Bryan_Wilson

https://twitter.com/TheSteinLine/sta...20930442919937

I mean, we all love Dirk, but this strikes me as a desperate PR move after a really bad three days for Cuban.

*House on fire*...hey guys, Dirk! Ya!

JustJay · 06-18-2021, 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Dtownsfinest

Yeah but why in their right mind would they give us Jaylen Brown for KP? MAYBE Marcus Smart in a deal?

I already agreed they probably wouldn't agree to it so why do you feel the need to ask the same question that I already covered?

Bryan_Wilson · 06-18-2021, 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

I mean, we all love Dirk, but this strikes me as a desperate PR move after a really bad three days for Cuban.

*House on fire*...hey guys, Dirk! Ya!

Yeah to me it's an easy cover for Cuban. Tell everyone Dirk is in charge of the search. Everyone loves Dirk. The mavs then promote Finley and Mosley and "Dirk" was involved so nobody can be upset.

Kill me.

Some Guy · 06-18-2021, 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Bryan_Wilson

According to Tmac Donnie was fired after the Athletic ran the story. It's called a mutual parting of ways but it wasn't- Cuban was not happy about that story and it's pretty easy to guess where the sources for it came from. Having said that Donnie likely saw the writing on the wall, If Cuban wanted Rick here and this shadow bob wasn't well known the obvious scape goat was Donnie.

But yeah Cuban is the central problem in all of this it looks like and shadow bob is not under contract but we have no idea if he will be.... which is awesome.

I guess I assumed the Athletic story was Donnie's (or someone else's on his behalf) attempt to force Cuban to fix that issue by bringing it to the public.

Some Guy · 06-18-2021, 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

I mean, we all love Dirk, but this strikes me as a desperate PR move after a really bad three days for Cuban.

*House on fire*...hey guys, Dirk! Ya!

PR move, or a move to keep Luka happy. (I'm assuming it is true that he cares for Donnie)

JustJay · 06-18-2021, 12:58 PM

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PR move, or a move to keep Luka happy. (I'm assuming it is true that he cares for Donnie)

Is Luka a big fan of Dirk? I never really got that vibe as they were teammates for one season.

Some Guy · 06-18-2021, 01:05 PM

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Is Luka a big fan of Dirk? I never really got that vibe as they were teammates for one season.

I believe Dirk is pretty popular among European countries, like how Yao was huge in China. I think I remember reading that Luka thought highly of Dirk, but it might not be true.
And I thought Luka wanted to come to Dallas because of Donnie and Dirk (and how Dirk was treated).
But I don't really know.

Dtownsfinest · 06-18-2021, 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by FreshJive

They didn't draft Trey Young over Luka, because Atlanta preferred him, and had the higher draft pick, and also because they had the information that they aren't passing out to dumbass forum posters like ourselves. We all wanted a big dude to go with DSJ who is about to be out of the league. But hey we all wanted Bey over Green so we are all fucking geniuses.

I'm not gonna speak for all posters.

I would think most posters would simply draft the best prospect on the board and if the MAVs would follow that they would have a far better track record than what they have.

And I can say that a few posters on this site did want Haliburton, Bey and Bane. ITs early for all we know Green may be better than all for all we know....

And I'd be careful on DSJ...the minute he left Dallas his career was over but he was fine his rookie year. You jump around the league and that's it for the most part. You rarely come back from that.

Some Guy · 06-18-2021, 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

This is pretty damning against Rick. I know TMac likes to stir the pot, but this info was bound to come out sooner or later. Wonder if Rick quit to try and get ahead of this kind of info to try and save face.

Just think the reality is there was no way Rick was coaching next season. Cuban would have had to fire him after this stuff came out.

https://twitter.com/RKonkle_Mavs/sta...51146044289026

Do we know if it is true, or exaggerated? Could this be the team trying to save face?
(I'm simply asking, not defending anyone)

JustJay · 06-18-2021, 01:15 PM

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I believe Dirk is pretty popular among European countries, like how Yao was huge in China. I think I remember reading that Luka thought highly of Dirk, but it might not be true.
And I thought Luka wanted to come to Dallas because of Donnie and Dirk (and how Dirk was treated).
But I don't really know.

I mean I'm sure Luka doesn't dislike Dirk or anything, but I don't really think that adding Dirk to the staff is going to make any difference in how Luka feels about the team unless they are really close. Just my opinion.

I think the biggest problem was RC and he's gone so I think Luka should be good. I don't think there's any reason to think he's going to turn down the 201 million dollar extension.

Bryan_Wilson · 06-18-2021, 01:23 PM

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Do we know if it is true, or exaggerated? Could this be the team trying to save face?
(I'm simply asking, not defending anyone)

Apologist Sighted!!!!!!!

... Anyway. I think it's true but it's getting blown out of proportion, at least from what I heard from Tmac and Locked on pod. Rick is a prickly guy, has been a long time. Salah didn't like the way he treated him and Luka didn't like the way Salah was treated. There have been guys who didn't like Rick and others who love Rick. Ppl are acting like he takes a ball and beats players with it and walks behind them in a robe yelling SHAME SHAME SHAME<Peter griffin gif here>. Luka hasn't asked for Rick to be fired but he likely isn't upset by it.

BPo001 · 06-18-2021, 01:26 PM

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Yeah to me it's an easy cover for Cuban. Tell everyone Dirk is in charge of the search. Everyone loves Dirk. The mavs then promote Finley and Mosley and "Dirk" was involved so nobody can be upset.

Kill me.

This was my first thought too. Can’t imagine Dirk has much input on either position. Things look bad in Dallas, so bring back the most beloved player in franchise history. I’m hopeful they cast a wide net for both coach and GM.

JustJay · 06-18-2021, 01:31 PM

You either give someone like Mosley or Hammon first time coaches a shot or you get a rehash. I'm not sure why the rehash is automatically the best option. It could be, but you have to take someone who lost their job or quit another job. But every coach that ended up being great had to be given a first chance.

Maybe a good college coach becomes available like what Brad Stevens ended up being, or even an international coach. But I'm sure no matter who they hire someone will be upset.

Bryan_Wilson · 06-18-2021, 01:39 PM

I'm fine with Mosely or Hammons but not with Finley. I don't want a first time GM and first time coach, especially in Mosley's case where he is known more as a players coach. I need an experienced coach or an experienced GM if we are on a timer to get things right in time before Luka wants out.

Dtownsfinest · 06-18-2021, 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

I mean, we all love Dirk, but this strikes me as a desperate PR move after a really bad three days for Cuban.

*House on fire*...hey guys, Dirk! Ya!

That's exactly what this smells like.....

Lestat_1795 · 06-18-2021, 01:56 PM

What Athletic story are you all talking about? What is the stuff about Cuban and Donnie that came out in the story?
The shadow GM story?

Melonhead · 06-18-2021, 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by JustJay

If Celtics are blowing up and if they were willing I'm not sure if they would be but KP for Brown might be good for both teams. Ok maybe better for us Brown is a damn good player.

Getting rid of a guy with a bum knee underperforming is not blowing it up. Less is more with the subtracting of Kemba.

mac222b · 06-18-2021, 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

I mean, we all love Dirk, but this strikes me as a desperate PR move after a really bad three days for Cuban.

*House on fire*...hey guys, Dirk! Ya!

Haha yup, totally transparent Cuban. I’d wager he had this in his back pocket, “in case of emergency break glass” kind of thing.

Melonhead · 06-18-2021, 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

I mean, we all love Dirk, but this strikes me as a desperate PR move after a really bad three days for Cuban.

*House on fire*...hey guys, Dirk! Ya!

Cuban definitely played his trump card for some positive PR. Which is fine, the firm will give them 10 names, whittle down to 5, and they’ll interview from there.

JustJay · 06-18-2021, 02:07 PM

Just hire the starting 5 of the 2011 Mavs championship as the staff, Kidd can be coach JET assistant, Marion does....something. Dirk advisor, Stevenson GM, Tyson their bodyguard.

mac222b · 06-18-2021, 02:18 PM

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I'm fine with Mosely or Hammons but not with Finley. I don't want a first time GM and first time coach, especially in Mosley's case where he is known more as a players coach. I need an experienced coach or an experienced GM if we are on a timer to get things right in time before Luka wants out.

Experienced front office person for GM from the Morey, Pop, Presti, Ainge tree. Finley has been a part of this massively dysfunctional FO. Not saying he is at all at fault, but new blood is desperately needed.

This is assuming Masai and Presti aren’t coming. I actually think Masai is more likely. Presti won’t want to leave his toys and total control for Cuban’s antics.

Zeus · 06-18-2021, 02:19 PM

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OMG. Maybe God is real.

Highly unlikely

DallasDog · 06-18-2021, 02:33 PM

ESPN article:

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Nowitzki, former teammate and current Mavericks executive vice president of basketball operations Michael Finley and a select group of trusted, longtime staffers met with Cuban at his request Thursday morning to discuss the franchise's path forward, sources told ESPN.

Sources said that Jason Kidd, Nowitzki's co-star on the Mavericks' 2010-11 championship team, was informally discussed as a coaching candidate among the group, but Cuban intends to hire a new head of basketball operations before conducting the coaching search.

IMHO the job is Jason Kidd's if he wants it.

A good choice for a variety of reasons.

First, it will be good for Luka and his development. There are many similarities of a young Luka and a young Jason Kidd.

Second, Kidd has experience with the current NBA, players and teams. Kidd hits the ground running.

Third, Kidd learns from his mistakes. Third time as a HC will allow Kidd to exorcize the past errors that cost him jobs.

DevinHarriswillstart · 06-18-2021, 02:45 PM

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ESPN article:

IMHO the job is Jason Kidd's if he wants it.

A good choice for a variety of reasons.

First, it will be good for Luka and his development. There are many similarities of a young Luka and a young Jason Kidd.

Second, Kidd has experience with the current NBA, players and teams. Kidd hits the ground running.

Third, Kidd learns from his mistakes. Third time as a HC will allow Kidd to exorcize the past errors that cost him jobs.

All good things.....

...but the wife beating thing would be another PR hit after the sexual harassment stuff.