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Melonhead · 08-01-2021, 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

Latest rumor is Heat want to reunite Derozan and Lowry in Miami. Oh FA, you are the best.

I’m okay with Dragic THJ too.

BPo001 · 08-01-2021, 04:52 PM

Kawhi to decline his player option to become UFA.

Rod Boone: #Hornets are not extending a qualifying offer to Malik Monk, making him an unrestricted free agent, per league sources. Monk’s time with Charlotte is done.

Could be a THJ replacement? Not sure what his contract might look like, but he shot 40% from 3 last year.

BPo001 · 08-01-2021, 04:53 PM

Kawhi to decline his player option to become UFA.

Rod Boone: #Hornets are not extending a qualifying offer to Malik Monk, making him an unrestricted free agent, per league sources. Monk’s time with Charlotte is done.

Could be a THJ replacement? Not sure what his contract might look like, but he shot 40% from 3 last year.

EricaLubarsky · 08-01-2021, 04:54 PM

Tommy Beer
@TommyBeer
Teams with the most cap space this offseason - via
@spotrac
:

1. Knicks - $52.6 million
2. Spurs - $48 million
3. Mavericks - $33.5 million
4. Thunder - $30 million
5. Grizzlies - $24.4 million
6. Raptors - $22.1 million
7. Heat - $20.4 million
8. Hornets - $16.8 million

EricaLubarsky · 08-01-2021, 04:55 PM

Tommy Beer
@TommyBeer
Teams with the most cap space this offseason - via
@spotrac
:

1. Knicks - $52.6 million
2. Spurs - $48 million
3. Mavericks - $33.5 million
4. Thunder - $30 million
5. Grizzlies - $24.4 million
6. Raptors - $22.1 million
7. Heat - $20.4 million
8. Hornets - $16.8 million

DevinHarriswillstart · 08-01-2021, 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by BPo001

Kawhi to decline his player option to become UFA.

Rod Boone: #Hornets are not extending a qualifying offer to Malik Monk, making him an unrestricted free agent, per league sources. Monk’s time with Charlotte is done.

Could be a THJ replacement? Not sure what his contract might look like, but he shot 40% from 3 last year.

I'm all for Monk for the right price. Surprised they think so lowly of him.

Hard to believe he and DSJ have been duds.

DevinHarriswillstart · 08-01-2021, 05:16 PM

I don't really even know who this guy is, but this would be grand if true...

https://twitter.com/WashedMavsBlog/s...54984661377027

DevinHarriswillstart · 08-01-2021, 05:16 PM

I don't really even know who this guy is, but this would be grand if true...

https://twitter.com/WashedMavsBlog/s...54984661377027

Melonhead · 08-01-2021, 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

I don't really even know who this guy is, but this would be grand if true...

https://twitter.com/WashedMavsBlog/s...54984661377027

Yeah I’m not buying that at all. If it was 2 days into FA, maybe. They aren’t crossing out their priorities before FA and then letting Jake Fisher know.

Bryan_Wilson · 08-01-2021, 05:26 PM

I'm so afraid that all the shitting on THJ will come back to bite us in our Oubre ass when we pay him 20mill a year after losing out on Lowry then THJ leaving while we waited... and Derozan never considering us.

tap2390 · 08-01-2021, 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Dtownsfinest

Let me just say.....I sat here and watch Lowry and Derozen stink every year in the playoffs to the point they got Dwayne Casey fired after winning coach of the year......but Miami feels like those two are their missing pieces....I mean they improve their team no doubt but still.....

This is a fair point, but I think the calculus is way different with a guy like Luka. The question with Derozan is if he’s worth it considering his perimeter shortcomings on offense and defense. At this point, I think we all know it’s better to gamble and have an asset versus not.

DevinHarriswillstart · 08-01-2021, 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Bryan_Wilson

I'm so afraid that all the shitting on THJ will come back to bite us in our Oubre ass when we pay him 20mill a year after losing out on Lowry then THJ leaving while we waited... and Derozan never considering us.

I wouldn't be overly upset at Oubre. He is inconsistent to the last, but he is younger, more athletic, and more versatile than THJ. And we have Luka to make him better.

I just can't get over Tim's playoff performance of 3 games awesome, 4 games not even D League quality. If he is the 4th option, great, otherwise, new path.

Melonhead · 08-01-2021, 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

I wouldn't be overly upset at Oubre. He is inconsistent to the last, but he is younger, more athletic, and more versatile than THJ. And we have Luka to make him better.

I just can't get over Tim's playoff performance of 3 games awesome, 4 games not even D League quality. If he is the 4th option, great, otherwise, new path.

I watch a lot of GS and Oubre was absolute garbage last year for GS. Never seen so many boneheaded plays and wide open threes gifted to him by Steph. And I don’t use garbage lightly. Phoenix got better when he couldn’t be in the bubble.

SMC0007 · 08-01-2021, 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

I don't really even know who this guy is, but this would be grand if true...

https://twitter.com/WashedMavsBlog/s...54984661377027

Washed Mavs is just a dude. Jake Fischer is plugged in though.

DevinHarriswillstart · 08-01-2021, 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Melonhead

I watch a lot of GS and Oubre was absolute garbage last year for GS. Never seen so many boneheaded plays and wide open threes gifted to him by Steph. And I don’t use that lightly. Phoenix got better when he couldn’t be in the bubble.

No argument here, but you know damn well the Mavs go after him if we lose out on Tim, Lowry, Derozan.

DevinHarriswillstart · 08-01-2021, 05:40 PM

Yeah, the rumor floodgates are now too much to keep up with. Starting to make my head spin.

G-Man · 08-01-2021, 05:42 PM

And then there's this from the Atlantic"

Hollinger: I’ve heard a lot of different stuff, but if I had to bet on one outcome, I think it ends with an offer sheet (for Lonzo Ball) from the Bulls that the Pelicans decide to match after Kyle Lowry signs with the Mavericks.

G-Man · 08-01-2021, 05:42 PM

And then there's this from the Atlantic"

Hollinger: I’ve heard a lot of different stuff, but if I had to bet on one outcome, I think it ends with an offer sheet (for Lonzo Ball) from the Bulls that the Pelicans decide to match after Kyle Lowry signs with the Mavericks.

EricaLubarsky · 08-01-2021, 05:42 PM

25 hours until it gets REALLY crazy

Bryan_Wilson · 08-01-2021, 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

I wouldn't be overly upset at Oubre. He is inconsistent to the last, but he is younger, more athletic, and more versatile than THJ. And we have Luka to make him better.

I just can't get over Tim's playoff performance of 3 games awesome, 4 games not even D League quality. If he is the 4th option, great, otherwise, new path.

To be fair I'm pretty sure Kawhi guarded THJ more then he did Luka. I still think THJ is nothing more than a 6th man or 4th option that we used as a 2nd though.

Oubre's numbers remind me way too much of the guy we were so happy to throw in Boston's lap. Except he'd be more expensive.

SMC0007 · 08-01-2021, 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by tap2390

This is a fair point, but I think the calculus is way different with a guy like Luka. The question with Derozan is if he’s worth it considering his perimeter shortcomings on offense and defense. At this point, I think we all know it’s better to gamble and have an asset versus not.

I think the sooner that people get out of the matrix that was Rick's flawed offensive system and realize the mid range game is back and here to stay, the better. Replace THJ with Derozan for the playoffs vs Clips and we are better. A guy that keeps gimmicky defense away from Luka would have been a game changer. Box1 doesn't work well when Derozan gets anywhere he wants. Can also let Derozan bring up the ball and create. Luka on post up is tough to match up to with his creativity and ability to pass out of it. So many options really.

DevinHarriswillstart · 08-01-2021, 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

25 hours until it gets REALLY crazy

Dude, it's already there.

lol now a rumor that the Sixers are shopping Tobias Harris?

We don't have the ammo for him, but man would he be perfect here.

Melonhead · 08-01-2021, 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by SMC0007

I think the sooner that people get out of the matrix that was Rick's flawed offensive system and realize the mid range game is back and here to stay, the better. Replace THJ with Derozan for the playoffs vs Clips and we are better. A guy that keeps gimmicky defense away from Luka would have been a game changer. Box1 doesn't work well when Derozan gets anywhere he wants. Can also let Derozan bring up the ball and create. Luka on post up is tough to match up to with his creativity and ability to pass out of it. So many options really.

Ding ding ding 🛎

Melonhead · 08-01-2021, 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

25 hours until it gets REALLY crazy

I might have to step away from the phone today lol I’m already exhausted keeping up with the rumors

BPo001 · 08-01-2021, 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

I'm all for Monk for the right price. Surprised they think so lowly of him.

Hard to believe he and DSJ have been duds.

Another one from the 2017 draft class

Marc Berman: Frank Ntilikina, longest-tenured Knicks, going to be an unrestricted free agent. Knicks didn’t submit a qualifying offer at 5 pm deadline, taking off restricted tag. Could still re-sign him.

Dtownsfinest · 08-01-2021, 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by BPo001

Kawhi to decline his player option to become UFA.

Rod Boone: #Hornets are not extending a qualifying offer to Malik Monk, making him an unrestricted free agent, per league sources. Monk’s time with Charlotte is done.

Could be a THJ replacement? Not sure what his contract might look like, but he shot 40% from 3 last year.

Wanted to draft Monk. I would love Monk....but I also don't know what's going on with him outside of the court....he got suspended....was it just a one time thing?

Dtownsfinest · 08-01-2021, 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

Tommy Beer
@TommyBeer
Teams with the most cap space this offseason - via
@spotrac
:

1. Knicks - $52.6 million
2. Spurs - $48 million
3. Mavericks - $33.5 million
4. Thunder - $30 million
5. Grizzlies - $24.4 million
6. Raptors - $22.1 million
7. Heat - $20.4 million
8. Hornets - $16.8 million

Damn.....I think Mavs are a better destination than going to the Spurs at this point.......Knicks with 52 million...ugh.....

Dtownsfinest · 08-01-2021, 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by tap2390

This is a fair point, but I think the calculus is way different with a guy like Luka. The question with Derozan is if he’s worth it considering his perimeter shortcomings on offense and defense. At this point, I think we all know it’s better to gamble and have an asset versus not.

Oh that's just my argument for why I don't think they make sense for the Heat...now if they wanted to come to the Mavs.....that would be a different situation with Luka lol. I feel like with the Heat....its too many chefs in the kitchen.....Jimmy Butler dominates the ball, Herro does off the bench, do they still have Dipo? Derozen dominates the ball.....Lowry is better with the ball......

Dtownsfinest · 08-01-2021, 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

I wouldn't be overly upset at Oubre. He is inconsistent to the last, but he is younger, more athletic, and more versatile than THJ. And we have Luka to make him better.

I just can't get over Tim's playoff performance of 3 games awesome, 4 games not even D League quality. If he is the 4th option, great, otherwise, new path.

Oubre is a terrible basketball player......I think I'd actually have THJ if the salaries are the same......if you think he's inconsistent check out Oubre......he goes weeks looking good then weeks of looking bad lol....

SMC0007 · 08-01-2021, 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Dtownsfinest

Wanted to draft Monk. I would love Monk....but I also don't know what's going on with him outside of the court....he got suspended....was it just a one time thing?

Yea I'd definitely be interested in Monk as well. He's pretty damn athletic and he clearly improved his stroke from deep last year.

I think guys like him and Sterling Brown have more in them and we would see more of that come to fruition around Luka, like Timmy did.

These back up plan semi-starter guys like Brown and Monk need to be better at moving the ball and finding open guys though. It shouldn't be that hard to average 3 assist per.

Dtownsfinest · 08-01-2021, 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Melonhead

I watch a lot of GS and Oubre was absolute garbage last year for GS. Never seen so many boneheaded plays and wide open threes gifted to him by Steph. And I don’t use garbage lightly. Phoenix got better when he couldn’t be in the bubble.

I agree. He's a very stupid player...he's the last player I'd put on this team....as a 6th man I can get behind that. But he is not what you want in the 4th quarter of games...I Wonder what even his value is at this point.....I know its far more than I think.

Dtownsfinest · 08-01-2021, 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

Dude, it's already there.

lol now a rumor that the Sixers are shopping Tobias Harris?

We don't have the ammo for him, but man would he be perfect here.

Yeah I don't know what they'd even trade for him....but.....we do have salary cap space....is that enticing to them to get from under that contract? I love Harris's game.....may be a bit overpaid but I wouldn't care.

Dtownsfinest · 08-01-2021, 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by SMC0007

Yea I'd definitely be interested in Monk as well. He's pretty damn athletic and he clearly improved his stroke from deep last year.

I think guys like him and Sterling Brown have more in them and we would see more of that come to fruition around Luka, like Timmy did.

These back up plan semi-starter guys like Brown and Monk need to be better at moving the ball and finding open guys though. It shouldn't be that hard to average 3 assist per.

I agree. I don't know if it was with you or someone else but when I said I hoped the Mavs would look at. I'm all for looking at guys who haven't lived up to their potential yet but on their way and I think that's Monk.

DevinHarriswillstart · 08-01-2021, 08:49 PM

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/...oronto-raptors

Good. I really have little interest in Lowry at that price. Surprised Miami is giving up Achiuwu.

Oh and this is tampering for sure.

DevinHarriswillstart · 08-01-2021, 08:49 PM

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thewizard · 08-01-2021, 09:00 PM

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Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/...oronto-raptors

Good. I really have little interest in Lowry at that price. Surprised Miami is giving up Achiuwu.

Oh and this is tampering for sure.

Key Quotes:

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The Heat picked up the option on Dragic's $19.4 million contract for the 2021-2022 season, making him an ideal contractual fit to include in talks to make a deal possible with the Raptors. A market exists for the Raptors to move Dragic, 35, onto a new team, including the Dallas Mavericks and New Orleans Pelicans, sources said.

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New Orleans and Dallas are two teams with salary cap space and strong interest in Lowry who are beginning to search elsewhere for starting point guard help, sources said.

tap2390 · 08-01-2021, 09:20 PM

Get Dragic (once/if he's bought out) and Derozan. Try to move Brunson/ Powell/ WCS/ Burke for other assets during the season.

Luka - Brunson - Terry - Burke
Derozan - Dragic - S. Brown
DFS - Green - Hinton
Maxi - Bey
Porzingis - Powell - WCS - Boban - M. Brown

Our center situation is stupid. I think the Celtics pushed Brown onto us and the Mavs original plan was to not take on any salary. I'd like to see us try to move Burke, Powell, and WCS at some point.

BPo001 · 08-01-2021, 09:26 PM

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Originally Posted by tap2390

Get Dragic (once/if he's bought out) and Derozan. Try to move Brunson/ Powell/ WCS/ Burke for other assets during the season.

Luka - Brunson - Terry - Burke
Derozan - Dragic - S. Brown
DFS - Green - Hinton
Maxi - Bey
Porzingis - Powell - WCS - Boban - M. Brown

Our center situation is stupid. I think the Celtics pushed Brown onto us and the Mavs original plan was to not take on any salary. I'd like to see us try to move Burke, Powell, and WCS at some point.

I wonder if they might open up to a 3 team trade with Mia-Tor-Dallas?

Miami gets Lowry
Dallas gets Dragic
Toronto gets Achiuwu and maybe Powell/Brunson?

Not really sure what contracts Dallas would need to put up to match Dragic.

DevinHarriswillstart · 08-01-2021, 09:29 PM

Dragic won't be bought out. It'll be a bidding war between us and NO which would be kinda depressing to bid on freakin' Dragic.

turin · 08-01-2021, 09:31 PM

I would jump for joy if both Powell and THJ were playing elsewhere this coming season.

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