GDT: Warriors @ Mavs - 1/28/09 8:00PM CST

[Kidd Karma]

Originally Posted by Robillion

This just goes to show how much people here value scoring over all other aspects of the game. If Kidd didnt play the way he did, then our team wouldnt have gelled the way it did last night and wouldnt have scored so easily. Kidd may not have been at his peak performance, but he was definitely far away from "completely useless."

Kidd had 2 steals, 2 blocked shots, 9 assists, and 7 rebounds. That is still very effective without scoring. Id be happy with that every night if the rest of the team is able to score more efficiently.

....you can never judge Kidd's effectiveness by stats. One set had him grab the loose ball and fire a 50 foot pass to JHo, where JHo pulled for a 10 foot jumper. Another had him getting a strip and firing it down where JHo finishes it off again.

The thing I've always hated about Kidd was not being a leader on the court, not demanding the rock and running sets that take advantage of mismatches. He'll drop the rock to Dirk and let Dirk pound the rock or JHo run the shot clock down, trying to create something....this is Kidd's job. He won't demand these guys to move and create passing lanes for catch and shoots. I love watching Terry just catch, rhythm dribble and shoot. I think early in the Boston game Perkins somehow got Kidd on his hip and he got the rock right away. A Kidd led team, should be able to take advantage of these things...yet they don't because of the constant dribbling.

[ty]

Originally Posted by Kidd Karma

....you can never judge Kidd's effectiveness by stats. One set had him grab the loose ball and fire a 50 foot pass to JHo, where JHo pulled for a 10 foot jumper. Another had him getting a strip and firing it down where JHo finishes it off again.

The thing I've always hated about Kidd was not being a leader on the court, not demanding the rock and running sets that take advantage of mismatches. He'll drop the rock to Dirk and let Dirk pound the rock or JHo run the shot clock down, trying to create something....this is Kidd's job. He won't demand these guys to move and create passing lanes for catch and shoots. I love watching Terry just catch, rhythm dribble and shoot. I think early in the Boston game Perkins somehow got Kidd on his hip and he got the rock right away. A Kidd led team, should be able to take advantage of these things...yet they don't because of the constant dribbling.

I'm not sure what you're trying to say here...

[Kidd Karma]

Originally Posted by ty

I'm not sure what you're trying to say here...

He defers way too much. In games where probably 75% is run in the half court, he can easily carve up a man to man defense, yet he defers way too much to Dirk and JHo, allowing them to go 1 on 1. Kidd's the point, his job is to create for himself and others. He's not doing that in the half court. If you're playing 2-2, 1-1 you're allowing the other 3-4 defenders to rest. If there's much more movement, picks, ala the Celtics, your offense would be much more smoother. This is where Kidd must force the team to execute the offense by moving around in the half court, moving around with purpose. Instead half of the half court sets, he's pushing the ball to Jet, or Dirk or JHo with 17 left on the shot clock.

[SMC0007]

Originally Posted by Kidd Karma

He defers way too much. In games where probably 75% is run in the half court, he can easily carve up a man to man defense, yet he defers way too much to Dirk and JHo, allowing them to go 1 on 1. Kidd's the point, his job is to create for himself and others. He's not doing that in the half court. If you're playing 2-2, 1-1 you're allowing the other 3-4 defenders to rest. If there's much more movement, picks, ala the Celtics, your offense would be much more smoother. This is where Kidd must force the team to execute the offense by moving around in the half court, moving around with purpose. Instead half of the half court sets, he's pushing the ball to Jet, or Dirk or JHo with 17 left on the shot clock.

Yeah, I'm not sure sure about this anymore. He can't really beat his man off the dribble and needs to run the picka nd roll more often. It seems to suit his game more when they are in half court.

[Kidd Karma]

Originally Posted by SMC0007

Yeah, I'm not sure sure about this anymore. He can't really beat his man off the dribble and needs to run the picka nd roll more often. It seems to suit his game more when they are in half court.

No, in a motion offense, he would not have to beat his man, just wait for the other 4 players to move around, whether creating picks, rubbing off each other, or running the z and going back door. Kidd will always find the open man and deliver it into scoring position. Seems the other 4 have no desire to move without the rock. I guess each of them would be frustrated if they think they're open and Kidd doesn't deliver it, means less and less movement as the game progresses.