06-18-2009, 09:57 AM
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OK...found this on ESPN
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Q. What if I, as a team manager, choose not to keep the maximum number of players allowed in my keeper league?
A. If an owner chooses not to keep the maximum number of players allowed, they will draft a new player from the available pool once all keepers have been retained. For example, assuming a four team league with a maximum of three keepers, where two owners choose not to keep three players, a straight (not snake) draft will occur as follows:
1st round:
Adam obtains first of three keepers
Brian obtains first of two keepers
Chris obtains first of three keepers
Dave drafts a player from available player pool
2nd round:
Adam obtains second of three keepers
Brian obtains second of two keepers
Chris obtains second of three keepers
Dave drafts player from available player pool
3rd round:
Adam obtains third of three keepers
Brian drafts player from available player pool
Chris obtains third of three keepers
Dave drafts player from available player pool
4th round (regular draft selections for all owners):
Adam drafts player from available player pool
Brian drafts player from available player pool
Chris drafts player from available player pool
Dave drafts player from available player pool
5th Round (regular draft selections for all owners and snake format begins):
Dave
Chris
Brian
Adam
etc.
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06-18-2009, 10:15 AM
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06-18-2009, 10:15 AM
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I have never seen it done like this. This is beneficial to the teams that did not do as well the previous years. It is like rewarding teams who did not draft well the year before.
I feel, just because you do not have a 3rd keeper does not mean you should be rewarded with the "3rd" round pick. In my league you do not have to keep the 4 keepers allotted to you. If you want to keep 2 or 3 players you can do that, but you won't be compensated. It is almost like an unfair competitive advantage. You get to select players before the rest of the league gets to.
You can't think of keepers like if they are worth it in rounds 1-3. They should be treated as rounds i, ii, iii. Keepers might be kept because they might blow up this year or the following year.
For example,
Hypothetically, I have Adrian Peterson, Matt Forte, Chris Johnson, and Westbrook on my team. I can only keep 3. Thiggy decides to only keep 2 top tier players just to see who is available. He can take Westbrook with that pick...who was supposed to go to U2 for having the worst record.
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06-18-2009, 10:18 AM
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So everyone keeps 3 and our "1st round" will start in the 4th round, correct?
(seems like the fairest/easiest way to do it, unless you inherited Sike's team!)
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06-18-2009, 10:20 AM
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I agree with nikeball, part of the fun of a keeper league is that you reap the repercussions of the previous year (both positive and negative repercussions).
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06-18-2009, 10:22 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Underdog
So everyone keeps 3 and our "1st round" will start in the 4th round, correct?
(seems like the fairest/easiest way to do it, unless you inherited Sike's team!)
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Your team isn't that bad . Moss and Calvin Johnson are definite keepers. You could even argue Portis or Witten.
This league is 1 whole point per reception. Not partial points. That 1 whole point is huge. WRs & RBs who catch the ball are worth a good deal more.
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06-18-2009, 10:23 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by alby
I agree with nikeball, part of the fun of a keeper league is that you reap the repercussions of the previous year (both positive and negative repercussions).
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...and it isn't that big of a deal. I finished 2nd to last in Year One (hello Jack Black/Michael Cera) of my keepers league and the following year I finished in 3rd place. If you draft well, you will be ok.
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06-18-2009, 10:24 AM
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Spoiler alert: I'm think I'm going to keep AP.
Beyond that, I am confused now. Is keeping someone as a second keeper (that no one would EVER pick in the second round) foolish?
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06-18-2009, 10:24 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by nikeball
Hypothetically, I have Adrian Peterson, Matt Forte, Chris Johnson, and Westbrook on my team. I can only keep 3. Thiggy decides to only keep 2 top tier players just to see who is available. He can take Westbrook with that pick...who was supposed to go to U2 for having the worst record.
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In that scenario, If U2 wants Westbrook instead of his third-best player, he can have him. Right?
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06-18-2009, 10:29 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by nikeball
Your team isn't that bad . Moss and Calvin Johnson are definite keepers. You could even argue Portis or Witten.
This league is 1 whole point per reception. Not partial points. That 1 whole point is huge. WRs & RBs who catch the ball are worth a good deal more.
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I like Moss & Johnson just fine, but I certainly wouldn't take either of them in the first two rounds (I never pick WRs early, not even in PPR - I'd rather take a RB with good hands...)
But that's MY problem for jumping into a keeper league that I wasn't part of last season...
Big question - WHEN do we have to decide on our keepers? (because someone like Witten doesn't look as sexy if the Cowboys pick up a veteran WR before the season starts...)
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06-18-2009, 10:30 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by chumdawg
In that scenario, If U2 wants Westbrook instead of his third-best player, he can have him. Right?
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That's the thing, he won't know who is available. If U2 has 3 players he wants to keep..and it was the rest of the team that was horrendous, he should still get the first pick in the pool since he had the worst record last year.
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06-18-2009, 10:30 AM
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The deadline was supposed to be July 1st, and I think we should honor that.
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06-18-2009, 10:31 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by chumdawg
In that scenario, If U2 wants Westbrook instead of his third-best player, he can have him. Right?
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Correct.
Doing it any other way doesn't make any sense. If I want to throw away Larry Fitzgerald for a chance at a hot rookie in the first round of the draft I should have the right to do that. Forcing people to keep players they don't want is silly.
Again though, I can't stress this enough: The key is that you don't get to do what Nikeball stated. You don't get to see that someone didn't protect player X and decide you like him better than your player and drop your keeper in order to draft player X.
It's a risk/reward proposition.
Nike I think you're coming at this from the perspective of a league that assign draft rounds to keepers. As in you give up your first round pick in order to keep the player you selected in the first round last year. That's not how this league works. "Gaining" a third round pick at the expense of a known commodity in a keeper is not some huge advantage in my opinion.
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06-18-2009, 10:33 AM
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I am fine with doing things either way. I was just throwing my opinion out there. There isn't an exact science to FFB . Let's just get this resolved so we can turn in our keepers. Although pushing it to a later date would be good. What if our keepers get hurt in preseason , that would suck. Push the keepers date to 1 or 2 weeks before the draft.
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06-18-2009, 10:35 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by nikeball
That's the thing, he won't know who is available. If U2 has 3 players he wants to keep..and it was the rest of the team that was horrendous, he should still get the first pick in the pool since he had the worst record last year.
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If U2 has three players he truly wants to keep (and I don't think he does) then he's probably better off than someone that only has one keeper and has to dip into a pool of talent that is severely picked over by everyone locking up their keepers.
I think you're greatly overstating what an advantage this is.
And the flip side would be forcing someone to keep a mediocre keeper when he doesn't even want that player. Keeper leagues are about keeping players you want, not being stuck with terrible, injured rosters into infinity. That's what dynasty leagues are for.
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06-18-2009, 10:38 AM
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I'm game for however you guys want to work out the draft, but I'd like to cast a vote for a later keeper deadline - July 1st seems too early to tell...
(despite our excitement, football is still several months away!)
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06-18-2009, 10:39 AM
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My problem was injuries to my quarterbacks. I wanted so badly to trade for Eli and McNabb because whomever I made a QB would eventually get injured.
It's like the BaD radio curse except it's the U2 curse.
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06-18-2009, 10:40 AM
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There are no set rules in this league anyways. Two QBs, a full point per reception, etc. Just enjoy it and try to have some fun =]
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06-18-2009, 10:41 AM
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Well BG...do the keepers need to be determined in ESPN's system by a certain date? Or can you assign keepers all the way up until the draft?
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06-18-2009, 10:44 AM
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Suns fans are talking about Al Jefferson, Mavs fans are talking about Fantasy Football...
There's something very wrong about that!
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06-18-2009, 10:44 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Flacolaco
Well BG...do the keepers need to be determined in ESPN's system by a certain date? Or can you assign keepers all the way up until the draft?
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There is a "set keepers date" somewhere in LM tools.
edit:
I don't have 3 great players to keep either. I had a bunch of good-solid players last year that were all very consistent.
I guess once the rules / dates are set..BG make a DM Fantasy football 2009 thread so we know what to do
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06-18-2009, 11:21 AM
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Keepers will be due on July 1st according to BG
I just finished typing out a spreadsheet that includes the rosters for each team. If anyone wants a copy of the .xls, just PM me with your email address (maybe along with some rep), and I'll send the file to you. It's a lot more convenient to see everything in front of you and you can pretty much guess who the three keepers for each owner, so you can put those names down. Thus, you can take a educated guesses on who you believe will be available in the draft pool.
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06-18-2009, 11:59 AM
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Can we still do trades? like offseason?
Anyone want.. Westbrook, White? Welker?
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06-18-2009, 12:03 PM
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I will give you Stackhouse's expiring contract for Westbrook.
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06-18-2009, 12:04 PM
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you guys have fun, I get dibs for 2010/11
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06-18-2009, 12:22 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Flacolaco
I will give you Stackhouse's expiring contract for Westbrook.
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In D-M fantasy football we are not in a recession.
q=)
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06-18-2009, 12:26 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jthig32
If U2 has three players he truly wants to keep (and I don't think he does) then he's probably better off than someone that only has one keeper and has to dip into a pool of talent that is severely picked over by everyone locking up their keepers.
I think you're greatly overstating what an advantage this is.
And the flip side would be forcing someone to keep a mediocre keeper when he doesn't even want that player. Keeper leagues are about keeping players you want, not being stuck with terrible, injured rosters into infinity. That's what dynasty leagues are for.
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My sentiments exactly.
And Alby...can you post the spreadsheet here in the thread, as an attachment?
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06-18-2009, 12:46 PM
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sigh, I'm not sure if I'll get the same amount of rep for doing this
edit* looks like I am unable to attached .xls files
PM me your email CD
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06-18-2009, 01:11 PM
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I don't think my three would be keepers are first 3 round caliber players.
Actually, after thinking about it... there's no point in keeping any of your players unless its a top top tier guy in this format.
I may end up keeping zero. I think the way we're doing it is kinda unfair.
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06-18-2009, 01:14 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by alby
I don't think my three would be keepers are first 3 round caliber players.
Actually, after thinking about it... there's no point in keeping any of your players unless its a top top tier guy in this format.
I may end up keeping zero. I think the way we're doing it is kinda unfair.
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Problem there is that anyone you WOULD draft in the first 3 rounds is probably already a keeper for another team...
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06-18-2009, 01:14 PM
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^indeed.
For example. If you only keep Romo, that means he will be your first overall pick. Might as well just drop everyone and take Romo in the 3rd round.
I think most people on average will keep 2 players. So there will be 12 picks left over.
I am just going to tell you all. I am keeping 3 players.
I am keeping Ladanian Tomlinson, Brian Westbrook, and Drew Brees.
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06-18-2009, 01:22 PM
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Yup, I have nobody on my current roster that would have been picked in the first round... so why should I keep anyone?
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06-18-2009, 01:27 PM
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In a 2 QB league with 12 teams you don't want to at least guarantee yourself Tony Romo?
I'd think about it.
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06-18-2009, 01:29 PM
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Tony Romo? He's projected to go in the 5th, Aaron Rodgers in the 4th.
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06-18-2009, 01:30 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by alby
Yup, I have nobody on my current roster that would have been picked in the first round... so why should I keep anyone?
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Like I said, because everyone you WOULD choose is already someone else's keeper...
My top choices for the first three rounds are probably already off the boards - that's the downside of a keeper league (especially with an inherited team...)
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06-18-2009, 01:31 PM
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Is this league up and running on ESPN already?
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06-18-2009, 01:41 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Underdog
Like I said, because everyone you WOULD choose is already someone else's keeper...
My top choices for the first three rounds are probably already off the boards - that's the downside of a keeper league (especially with an inherited team...)
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Don't you have Moss and Megatron?
They are projected to go 12 and 15 in alot of leagues..in a 1 PPR league..they should be ranked higher..
The only guy Alby has projected to go in the top 36 is .. Reggie Wayne. He is in more of a quandry than you are.
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06-18-2009, 01:48 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by nikeball
Don't you have Moss and Megatron?
They are projected to go 12 and 15 in alot of leagues..in a 1 PPR league..they should be ranked higher..
The only guy Alby has projected to go in the top 36 is .. Reggie Wayne. He is in more of a quandry than you are.
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Moss & Megatron are great - it's their QB's that I'm worried about (especially if I have to decide on my keepers by July 1st...)
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06-18-2009, 01:51 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by nikeball
Don't you have Moss and Megatron?
They are projected to go 12 and 15 in alot of leagues..in a 1 PPR league..they should be ranked higher..
The only guy Alby has projected to go in the top 36 is .. Reggie Wayne. He is in more of a quandry than you are.
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What rankings are you looking at? I've seen Romo and Rodgers ranked right on the edge of that top 36 as well.
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06-18-2009, 02:00 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Flacolaco
What rankings are you looking at? I've seen Romo and Rodgers ranked right on the edge of that top 36 as well.
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Average Draft Positions of a compilations of many mock drafts.
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