06-23-2009, 02:06 PM
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the ONLY way this can be justified is that Dallas already has a bigger deal ready to be signed on draft night.
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And the chances of that? I don't know man, I think our FO was just sleeping while this deal was made with the Spurs. I don't have any faith that there is any justifiable reason we didn't make this deal.
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06-23-2009, 02:08 PM
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Yeah I won't be holding my breath. This management is too damn stagnant. Not enough pressure on them to perform or hit the highway.
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06-23-2009, 02:08 PM
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I know how you feel, trust me. But if there's a chance, I'm going to try to be as optimistic as I can.
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06-23-2009, 02:10 PM
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06-23-2009, 02:13 PM
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While admitting that this makes me sick, what were we supposed to do? They had 2 stackhouse type contracts to offer. We only had one.
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06-23-2009, 02:14 PM
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thank god
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06-23-2009, 02:16 PM
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Originally Posted by littlelibo
While admitting that this makes me sick, what were we supposed to do? They had 2 stackhouse type contracts to offer. We only had one.
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Actually I believe they could have saved approximately $3 million more by trading with us. We had a better package to offer.
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06-23-2009, 02:22 PM
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Originally Posted by dalmations202
I agree all the way, except that the dropoff may be larger than expected.
RJ isn't known for defense.
Fin isn't known for defense.
Ginobili is known as a help defender.
Parker isn't known for his defense.
Put Sheed, Camby, Chandler, Kaman, etc beside Duncan though, and IMO, they are championship caliber again.
SA has one chip left needed, and then to remain injury free.
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I think it's a safe bet the Spurs are now exploring what kind of PF/C type they could get for a package built around Roger Mason and whatever spare parts they have left.
Going to be interesting to see what happens with Finley. He's got a player option, but with RJ there and rumors about Bowen coming back then it sure looks to me like there's not going to be a whole lot of minutes for him. I'm not sure he's coming back.
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06-23-2009, 02:32 PM
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The timing of the trade seems strange. Almost like they got this deal done so they could move on to the next one involving a big man. Maybe a draft day trade involving some package of Mason, Bonner, Hill, Finley (if he picks his option up)??
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06-23-2009, 02:35 PM
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Ouch. Jefferson would have been perfect for us. Can't believe we let this slip past.
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06-23-2009, 02:37 PM
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There is no bigger deal headed our way, there never is.
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06-23-2009, 02:38 PM
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Unbelievable, the mavs stand stagnant while another team in their division gets stronger, sucks that Cuban is willing to take on bad contracts, yet they still can't get a deal done. WOW can't wait for another year of josh/dirk/jet fighting for the 8th seed in the playoffs
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06-23-2009, 02:43 PM
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Watch the Spurs sign Rasheed with the MLE.
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06-23-2009, 02:44 PM
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Originally Posted by MavsFanFinley
The timing of the trade seems strange. Almost like they got this deal done so they could move on to the next one involving a big man. Maybe a draft day trade involving some package of Mason, Bonner, Hill, Finley (if he picks his option up)??
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The rush to get the deal done is Oberto. His contract is only partially guaranteed if he's cut by July 1st.
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06-23-2009, 02:54 PM
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^ Bingo
Hence, Dallas should be rushing to deal Stackhouse... although I guess I just don't feel that urgency from our braintrust.
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06-23-2009, 02:55 PM
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wait, so we have till July 1st to trade Stackhouse?
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06-23-2009, 03:01 PM
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I think the window is more like from July 1 to August something.
On July 1 his contract value increases a bit over the 2008-2009 season.
Then the August date is when the $2 million buy out expires.
Could be off on the August date.
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06-23-2009, 03:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Robillion
wait, so we have till July 1st to trade Stackhouse?
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Depends on what dates are written in to Stack's deal as to when the salary guarantees kick in. July 1st is the date written into Oberto's contract.
Edit: Per shamsports.com, stack's deal is $2 mil guaranteed until August 10th, and then bumps to $3.625 mil.
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06-23-2009, 03:09 PM
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Depends on what dates are written in to Stack's deal as to when the salary guarantees kick in. July 1st is the date written into Oberto's contract.
Edit: Per shamsports.com, stack's deal is $2 mil guaranteed until August 10th, and then bumps to $3.625 mil.
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Well my birthday is August 7th, but I would be mad if we wait till then. Unless, of course, we land an "All-Star" with his contract on my birthday.
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06-23-2009, 03:14 PM
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What the hell are you doing Donnie?
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06-23-2009, 03:19 PM
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"Donnie has been my biggest supporter from day one," said six-time NBA All-Star and 2007 MVP Dirk Nowitzki. "He works harder than any coach or president in the NBA. He thinks about basketball 24 hours a day."
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Really? 24 hours a day? What does he think about? How round the ball is?
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06-23-2009, 03:28 PM
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06-23-2009, 03:39 PM
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06-23-2009, 03:44 PM
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Umm...Richard Jefferson is NOT poor defender, and I would argue that he's a better and more flexible defender than Bowen at this point. Bowen is absolutely done.
Besides, there's a 99.9% chance Bowen is cut by Milwaukee at which point the Spurs can just add him back.
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Yea I was going to say the same exact thing. At this point in their careers i'd probably say Jefferson is just as good of a defender as Bowen is. He showed splashes in the post season but you FAIL when you start making trades worrying about defending the next team's superstar. Dirk is going to get his. He got his on Bowen and would continue to do so. Great trade for the Spurs. I'm guessing salary dump for the Bucks. Both teams got what they wanted. I didn't think the Spurs would take on this much salary. Especially in this economy.
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06-23-2009, 03:48 PM
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Well can we agree that the Spurs getting this deal done means there's no way in hell the Mavs stand pat?
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06-23-2009, 03:58 PM
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What the hell are you doing Donnie?
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At the time the Spurs management was sealing the deal on this trade Donnie was doing an interview with 103.3 about how he wants to make a trade like this.
Sorry, but he's an idiot.
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06-23-2009, 04:12 PM
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Well can we agree that the Spurs getting this deal done means there's no way in hell the Mavs stand pat?
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Can we?
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06-23-2009, 04:18 PM
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No way we get VC for just an expiring contract. From Thorn? Therefore even if we land VC it won't be good value. Stack for Kaman or Camby? We'd better hit a home run with the MLE then. If we passed on this for the #5 pick in the draft or ANY pick in the draft for that matter then i'll just stop watching. It's getting more and more depressing being a Mavs fan. Every summer...
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06-23-2009, 04:27 PM
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Can we?
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I just don't see how the front office can come away from this offseason standing pat. How can they sell this to the fans? I think the whole "we like our team" motto has worn off.
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06-23-2009, 04:36 PM
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I would bet Donnie and Cubes were so engrossed in finding another "Josh" at the 22nd pick that the Spurs ran right past them and one-uped them! I can just see Pop laughing his ass off in SA! If they keep the team intact again this summer I will definately stop watching them! Too much stress involved in this team.
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06-23-2009, 04:47 PM
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What a shame. I've been hoping that RJ would be traded to the Mavs. Not only does he go to a division rival, he gets traded for Bowen, Oberto and Thomas. I'm sure the Mavs could have come up with a better offer, right?
I could not believe it when I first read it. Damn.
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06-23-2009, 05:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Dirkenstien
At the time the Spurs management was sealing the deal on this trade Donnie was doing an interview with 103.3 about how he wants to make a trade like this.
Sorry, but he's an idiot.
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I'm as mad as anyone else, but Donnie's interview on 103.3 actually occurred earlier in the morning but was not broadcasted until the Michael Irvin show (during the RJ trade).
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06-23-2009, 05:20 PM
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What a shame. I've been hoping that RJ would be traded to the Mavs. Not only does he go to a division rival, he gets traded for Bowen, Oberto and Thomas. I'm sure the Mavs could have come up with a better offer, right?
I could not believe it when I first read it. Damn.
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Really, it was just for Oberto. Bowen and Thomas will be released and will probably rejoin the Spurs.
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06-23-2009, 05:22 PM
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wtf rj for a bunch of floppers
screw you bucks
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06-23-2009, 05:58 PM
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Oh god, FML.
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06-23-2009, 06:31 PM
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Did anyone notice how 27 other front offices failed this offseason because they didn't sign Richard Jefferson?
(although I would never expect Dallas sports fans to stop feeling entitled...)
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06-23-2009, 06:35 PM
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Did anyone notice how 27 other front offices failed this offseason because they didn't sign Richard Jefferson?
(although I would never expect Dallas sports fans to stop feeling entitled...)
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Donnie, is that you?
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06-23-2009, 06:39 PM
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Donnie, is that you?
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The crying 4-year-old next door, is that you?
(classic comeback - consider yourself retro-burned...)
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06-23-2009, 06:40 PM
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If we where to get Gerald Wallace then nobody would even care about Jefferson, It just hurts because the Spurs gave up JUNK to get Jefferson and Bowen and the other guys might resign with the Spurs making them even deep, I swer if the Spurs get Rasheed Wallace and we still don't do anything I'm done.
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06-23-2009, 06:51 PM
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The crying 4-year-old next door, is that you?
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Sorry to be so simplistic and sarcastic. What i meant to say was the Spurs are our rivals making this, like Artest going to the Rockets for nada last summer, particularly hard to swallow. When OKC drafts Rubio it will become even more depressing. Not all 27 teams want,need,can afford Jefferson. But he's just the kind of player We were looking for- relatively young, athletic, attacks the rim. If there are people out there who haven't lost faith in the Mavs leadership then they don't really follow the sport. That Presti, Morey and Pop are 3 of the shrewdest minds in the NBA and all reside in close proximity makes our "braintrust" seem all the more... underwhelming is a nice way of putting it.
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