2009 NBA Offseason Thread - Page 16 - Dallas-Mavs.com Forums

spreedom · 09-04-2009, 01:48 PM

That's fantastic value for a starting caliber PG.

DevinHarriswillstart · 09-04-2009, 02:04 PM

Yeah Jesus, 16 mil for Sessions over 4 years is a great contract. Minnesota might be lucky Rubio is staying overseas.

sefant77 · 09-04-2009, 03:15 PM

They are stacking talent...

Sessions/Flynn/(Rubio)
Ellington
Gomez/Brewer
Love
Jefferson/Hollins

MavsFanFinley · 09-04-2009, 07:41 PM

The contract isn't bad at all but if he wants to play for a bad team let them have him. Maybe I'll have to eat crow but I'm just not impressed with that team.

Bayliss · 09-05-2009, 10:40 AM

I'm not either MFF.

Al Jefferson (IMO) is more like Zach Randolph than Tim Duncan. He puts up nice stats day in and day out but he rarely is a game changer with those stats. Kevin Love is a good rebounder and tough minded player but I don't think will ever be a superstar. And the other players are just blah....

MavsFanFinley · 09-08-2009, 11:02 AM

Bayliss, I like Jefferson but I'd like to see what he can do on a team that matters and see if those stats hold up.

On another note. I'd hate to be a young team looking for an identity and then have someone like Iverson join (if the rumors hold up). But I guess they need to make some sort of flash down there.

sefant77 · 09-08-2009, 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Bayliss

I'm not either MFF.

Al Jefferson (IMO) is more like Zach Randolph than Tim Duncan. He puts up nice stats day in and day out but he rarely is a game changer with those stats. Kevin Love is a good rebounder and tough minded player but I don't think will ever be a superstar. And the other players are just blah....

Uh, thats a hard one.

I just hate to see that character guy getting compared to the one of the biggest douchebags of the NBA. Jefferson didnt sign a max-deal because he felt he isnt worth it. And for sure he could have got one if he played hardball.

And he played in an aweful team. Even 30/20 wouldnt be a game changer on that crappy team probably. And he is still young and im expecting him to improve more.

Pau Gasol would be a way better comparison than Zach and i think Al will end somewhere between Gasol and Duncan (and of course Duncan prime level wont happen to anyone the next 10 years probably).

Bayliss · 09-08-2009, 05:52 PM

DaMavs can rll out the stat, he uses it quite a bit. But Al Jefferson's team is actually worse when he is on the court then when he is off the court. (If I am remembering correct he is using adjusted plus/minus.) And that stat goes back for several years.

That is not good. Hence the Randolph reference. I'm not sure there is another good player that has that kind of ratio.

MavsFanFinley · 09-08-2009, 08:35 PM

Sefant77, I didn't mean to compare Jefferson and Iverson at all. I didn't want to make two different posts but I should have added something so others would know I was talking about two different things.

I was feeling for Memphis being a young team and having a guy like Iverson join and disrupting what they could be building there.

Emjo21 · 09-09-2009, 07:10 AM

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Originally Posted by MavsFanFinley

Sefant77, I didn't mean to compare Jefferson and Iverson at all. I didn't want to make two different posts but I should have added something so others would know I was talking about two different things.

I was feeling for Memphis being a young team and having a guy like Iverson join and disrupting what they could be building there.

Sefant77 was referring to Zach Randolph on the douchebag comparison..

sefant77 · 09-09-2009, 10:25 AM

You have a group of young players looking to keep growing and developing and what you do?

You trade for Zach and Iverson

http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_ar...ith_grizzlies/

Emjo21 · 09-09-2009, 10:45 AM

Yep, Iverson's gonna be a Grizzly in the next 24-48 hours as reported. Again, OJ + ZRandolph + Iverson = negative assists

spreedom · 09-09-2009, 10:47 AM

I hope AI, Zach, OJ, and especially the Grizzlies fall flat on their faces this season.

And that they trade Gasol to us.

MavsFanFinley · 09-09-2009, 11:23 AM

So much for Iverson wanting to win a championship. I'm surprised a borderline playoff/contending team didn't pick him up despite his past.

EricaLubarsky · 09-09-2009, 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by MavsFanFinley

So much for Iverson wanting to win a championship. I'm surprised a borderline playoff/contending team didn't pick him up despite his past.

I think thats why he took so long-- he was waiting for a good team to show interest and Im not sure any team did, so he took the money the Grizz were offering.

On the Grizz side, its not a bad deal-- they will sell tickets and AI can still win you a few games. Its not a solid young foundation but its an entertaining group that can sell you a few tickets and maybe even win 40 games or so.

sefant77 · 09-09-2009, 01:07 PM

They signed AI for the tickets and jerseys, sure.

But otherwise that team will be pure comedy next season.

Gay is in his contract year, he is playing for his big pay day. No way he takes a step back for guys like AI or Zach.

AI is playing for his next contract and his ego not to be done with 34...

Mayo is Mayo, chuck chuck chuck...his ego will allow him to give shoots to other chuckers? No way.

Gasol can rebound and otherwise stfu...

And poor Conley has somehow try to "coordinate" this offense...rofl. Probably he gonna have the least touches of all starters

most repeated phrase in memphis grizzlies' timeouts this season: "yo man, i was open"

dirt_dobber · 09-09-2009, 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by sefant77

most repeated phrase in memphis grizzlies' timeouts this season: "yo man, i was open"

greatness

spreedom · 09-09-2009, 01:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sefant77

They signed AI for the tickets and jerseys, sure.

But otherwise that team will be pure comedy next season.

Gay is in his contract year, he is playing for his big pay day. No way he takes a step back for guys like AI or Zach.

AI is playing for his next contract and his ego not to be done with 34...

Mayo is Mayo, chuck chuck chuck...his ego will allow him to give shoots to other chuckers? No way.

Gasol can rebound and otherwise stfu...

And poor Conley has somehow try to "coordinate" this offense...rofl. Probably he gonna have the least touches of all starters

most repeated phrase in memphis grizzlies' timeouts this season: "yo man, i was open"

To further compound this mess... I'm guessing Iverson will have a shot at starting at PG. Yuck.

MavsFanFinley · 09-09-2009, 07:17 PM

The Hornets pull off another solid trade. They acquire Songalia and Brown from Minnesota for Antonio Daniels.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slu...v=ap&type=lgns

Warriors officially resign Watson.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slu...v=ap&type=lgns

MavsWiLLHaVeRinGs · 09-10-2009, 04:02 AM

The Grizzles will be fun to watch, only using a negative connotation.

iella · 09-10-2009, 11:50 AM

Referees and the N.B.A. Break Off Negotiations

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Contract talks between the N.B.A. and its referees have collapsed amid acrimony and accusations of bad faith, increasing the odds that the league will hire replacement referees to start the preseason.

...

Stern did not deny reports that the league has begun recruiting replacements, which would almost certainly include referees from the NBA Development League. “I can confirm that we have referees who have to start training relatively soon, and we’re planning to start the season with an officiating staff,” he said, adding later, “It’s very sad to have to move to that, but obviously our obligation is to the game.”

DL refs... good or bad?

Kidd Karma · 09-10-2009, 03:25 PM

http://realgm.com/src_wiretap_archiv...g_camp_roster/

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J.R. Rider Attempting Comeback, May Be On Nets' Training Camp Roster
More Nets News

J.R. Rider hasn't been on an NBA floor since the 2001-02 season, but he is hoping to make a comeback this season.

Rider is in talks to join the Texas Fresh of the American Basketball Association and the Nets have reportedly offered the former UNLV star a spot on its training camp roster. The Nets, however, are not expecting a roster spot to become available to Rider.

spreedom · 09-10-2009, 03:41 PM

lolz

Underdog · 09-11-2009, 01:21 PM

Bobcats co-owner Beck dies in small plane crash

link

ROCK HILL, S.C. (AP) - A North Carolina businessman who was a co-owner of the Charlotte Bobcats has died in a single-engine plane crash.

Authorities say 49-year-old William "Skipper" Beck of Charlotte, N.C., died in the crash around 7:15 a.m. Friday at a local airport in South Carolina just across the state line from Charlotte.

The York County coroner and the Federal Aviation Administration say Beck was the only person aboard the Cirrus SR22.

Witnesses say the plane returned shortly after take off, but crashed as it tried to land and caught fire.

An Internet flight tracking site says the plane flew from New Jersey to Rock Hill on Wednesday.

Bobcats owner Robert L. Johnson issued a statement saying that Beck was instrumental in bringing the NBA team to the area.

dirt_dobber · 09-16-2009, 10:42 AM

Spurs' Jefferson dislocates thumb

"Richard Jefferson, the prize jewel of the Spurs' offseason makeover, dislocated his right thumb during a workout Tuesday, casting a degree of doubt over his availability for the start of training camp.

Jefferson, a 6-foot-7 swingman obtained in a blockbuster trade with Milwaukee earlier this summer in exchange for Bruce Bowen, Fabricio Oberto and Kurt Thomas, suffered the injury in a pick-up game at the Spurs' practice facility.

The injury is not considered serious, and the Spurs are expecting Jefferson's absence to be measured in weeks, not months. Still, it remains unclear whether he will be a full participant when the Spurs open camp Sept. 29."

dirt_dobber · 09-16-2009, 11:24 AM

Jackson fined for comments

The Warriors have adopted a warm-and-cuddly approach to Stephen Jackson since he demanded a trade last month, but the NBA isn't playing so nice.

The league fined Jackson $25,000 on Tuesday for public statements "detrimental to the NBA." Players aren't permitted to make trade requests publicly, and Jackson is the first player fined for such statements since Ron Artest, then of the Indiana Pacers, during the 2005-06 season.

Players are allowed to and have, on occasion, requested a trade through their teams' hierarchy. The players, however, are not allowed to make said mandates through the media.

"It's against league rules to request a trade publicly," vice president of NBA communications Tim Frank said. "Therefore, a fine was issued."

Speaking at a promotional event Aug. 28, Jackson told an audience that he didn't think he'd be with the Warriors this season. He later told Dime magazine that he wanted to go to Cleveland, one of the Texas teams or New York.

"It's not about a decision I made," Jackson "It's just things are in the air right now. I really can't get too much into it right now, but I'm just looking to go somewhere where I can go and win a championship."

Coach Don Nelson texted ESPN in assurance that Jackson is still his team's captain.

General manager Larry Riley released a statement: "Stephen Jackson has been a true professional since arriving here three seasons ago, and our expectations of him have not changed despite his recent comments," Riley said. "As far as his remarks on playing for a championship ... that's not the first time we've heard it because that's the goal that he sets for himself and his teammates every season.

"That's the type of confidence that he exudes as a player and the reason that he has endeared himself to our fans.

"That's who Stephen Jackson is."

Briefly: The Warriors have secured two training-camp invitees in St. Mary's forward Diamon Simpson and Illinois center Shaun Pruitt. The Warriors have 15 players in camp with guaranteed contracts, so making the roster is a long shot for both invitees. ... Cartier Martin, the non-roster star of the Las Vegas Summer League, has signed with Benetton Treviso of the Italian League.

MavsFanFinley · 09-16-2009, 12:06 PM

The Jefferson thing was quite a scare yesterday when it was first reported on spurstalk. But it's not a big deal and should be ready to go for camp.

Minnesota signs Pavlovic

http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_ar...gree_to_terms/

dirt_dobber · 09-17-2009, 11:43 AM

Arenas says he's ready to go

Gilbert Arenas says he's back to his explosive self but is wondering if it's the Wizards' fault that it has taken him so long to get back to normal.

Arenas, who worked with trainer Tim Grover in Chicago this summer, told The Washington Times that his injuries are in the past.

"Nobody could guard me before, and can't nobody guard me now," Arenas told the newspaper. "If I hadn't come up here, I'd be starting off the season with a 95 percent chance that I'd be sitting out more games. ... [Tim Grover] saved my career."

Coming off three knee surgeries in 1½ years, Arenas played in only two games last season.

Grover painted a grim picture of Arenas' health when the Washington Wizards guard arrived at his training complex in Chicago this July.

"A lot of things weren't firing -- his glutes, his hips, thighs," Grover told the newspaper. "I wouldn't say his condition was the most severe, I wouldn't say it was the best. ... But if I were to classify it on a scale of one to 10 with 10 being the most extreme, I'd say he was definitely in the seven, eight category."

Grover has several high-profile NBA clients, including Dwyane Wade, O.J. Mayo and Tracy McGrady. Arenas has resisted overtures to work with Grover in the past, but finally decided to give it a try this year.

While Arenas praised Grover for saving his career, he blamed the Wizards for giving him too much control over his failed comebacks from surgery the past two seasons.

"If you have a kid that loves basketball, that eats, sleeps, drinks and thinks basketball and all he knows is basketball and he gets hurt and he's your franchise player, you need to hold him back from himself," Arenas told the newspaper. "If I'm saying I feel good and you know it's supposed to take six months, instead of letting me at four months run ... they should have held me back. Rather than saying, 'Let's let this guy do what he wants and use him to sell tickets' -- sometimes you have to protect players from themselves. I don't feel like I got that type of protection. But, I don't judge them for that. Some things just happen. I told them I felt OK because I wanted to play, and they did what they did."

Arenas has worked hard this summer to try to get back on the court.

"It was a pretty extensive process," Grover told the newspaper. "We had to get his range of motion back in the leg, did a lot of acupuncture, a lot of work. We put a game plan together and attacked it from as many angles as we could. Gil would work with four or five individuals from my staff each day. ... It was, 'OK, Gil, you're going to be spending a good six to seven hours a day in here and a lot of treatment, and it's all pieces of the puzzle to putting you back together to being the player you were before -- and better.' "

Arenas averaged 27.7 points per game from 2004 until 2007, becoming one of the NBA's most dynamic players. But he has played just 15 games the past two seasons because of his injuries.

Arenas said his goal isn't to be an All-Star player this season. Instead, he has loftier goals.

"All-Star's not my goal. I never wanted to be an All-Star. All-Star is the 24 hottest players at that time. All-League? That's my goal," Arenas told the newspaper. "All-League is only 15 players. So All-League and to play as many games as possible. That's it."

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=4480321

quietsavant · 09-17-2009, 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by dirt_dobber

Arenas says he's ready to go

Gilbert Arenas says he's back to his explosive self but is wondering if it's the Wizards' fault that it has taken him so long to get back to normal.

Arenas, who worked with trainer Tim Grover in Chicago this summer, told The Washington Times that his injuries are in the past.

"Nobody could guard me before, and can't nobody guard me now," Arenas told the newspaper. "If I hadn't come up here, I'd be starting off the season with a 95 percent chance that I'd be sitting out more games. ... [Tim Grover] saved my career."

Coming off three knee surgeries in 1½ years, Arenas played in only two games last season.

Grover painted a grim picture of Arenas' health when the Washington Wizards guard arrived at his training complex in Chicago this July.

"A lot of things weren't firing -- his glutes, his hips, thighs," Grover told the newspaper. "I wouldn't say his condition was the most severe, I wouldn't say it was the best. ... But if I were to classify it on a scale of one to 10 with 10 being the most extreme, I'd say he was definitely in the seven, eight category."

Grover has several high-profile NBA clients, including Dwyane Wade, O.J. Mayo and Tracy McGrady. Arenas has resisted overtures to work with Grover in the past, but finally decided to give it a try this year.

While Arenas praised Grover for saving his career, he blamed the Wizards for giving him too much control over his failed comebacks from surgery the past two seasons.

"If you have a kid that loves basketball, that eats, sleeps, drinks and thinks basketball and all he knows is basketball and he gets hurt and he's your franchise player, you need to hold him back from himself," Arenas told the newspaper. "If I'm saying I feel good and you know it's supposed to take six months, instead of letting me at four months run ... they should have held me back. Rather than saying, 'Let's let this guy do what he wants and use him to sell tickets' -- sometimes you have to protect players from themselves. I don't feel like I got that type of protection. But, I don't judge them for that. Some things just happen. I told them I felt OK because I wanted to play, and they did what they did."

Arenas has worked hard this summer to try to get back on the court.

"It was a pretty extensive process," Grover told the newspaper. "We had to get his range of motion back in the leg, did a lot of acupuncture, a lot of work. We put a game plan together and attacked it from as many angles as we could. Gil would work with four or five individuals from my staff each day. ... It was, 'OK, Gil, you're going to be spending a good six to seven hours a day in here and a lot of treatment, and it's all pieces of the puzzle to putting you back together to being the player you were before -- and better.' "

Arenas averaged 27.7 points per game from 2004 until 2007, becoming one of the NBA's most dynamic players. But he has played just 15 games the past two seasons because of his injuries.

Arenas said his goal isn't to be an All-Star player this season. Instead, he has loftier goals.

"All-Star's not my goal. I never wanted to be an All-Star. All-Star is the 24 hottest players at that time. All-League? That's my goal," Arenas told the newspaper. "All-League is only 15 players. So All-League and to play as many games as possible. That's it."

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=4480321

I saw a link about him, while reading this blog the other day.

http://4ptsplay.blogspot.com/

MavsFanFinley · 09-17-2009, 11:49 AM

Looks like the Kings will sign Desmond Mason. He's been visiting all week and took his physical already.

I would say Donte Green will be the odd man out. It's a shame he couldn't pull it together there but I'm sure he'll be given a chance somewhere. Not that I've heard/read that the Kings will cut/trade him but they haven't been impressed with him and the Mason signing is telling.

Dirkadirkastan · 09-17-2009, 12:09 PM

If Arenas scored all his team's points and scored 50ppg, he would be quite content.

EricaLubarsky · 09-17-2009, 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Dirkadirkastan

If Arenas scored all his team's points and scored 50ppg, he would be quite content.

If only the Wizards could allow fewer than 103.5 points per game, they may be a serious contender, then!

dirno2000 · 09-17-2009, 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by MavsFanFinley

Looks like the Kings will sign Desmond Mason. He's been visiting all week and took his physical already.

I would say Donte Green will be the odd man out. It's a shame he couldn't pull it together there but I'm sure he'll be given a chance somewhere. Not that I've heard/read that the Kings will cut/trade him but they haven't been impressed with him and the Mason signing is telling.

That's funny when you remember the biggest reason we didn't get Artest last year was that Sac valued a first round pick (Green) more than they valued Bass.

MavsFanFinley · 09-17-2009, 08:31 PM

Why would the Kings have wanted Bass? Makes no sense just to unload Artest and Green.

It's possible they keep him and look to move Nocioni instead. I find that hard to believe but if they're still more concerned with shedding money it's quite possible.

In other news, Portland signs Juwan Howard.

dirno2000 · 09-17-2009, 11:43 PM

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Originally Posted by MavsFanFinley

Why would the Kings have wanted Bass? Makes no sense just to unload Artest and Green.

It's possible they keep him and look to move Nocioni instead. I find that hard to believe but if they're still more concerned with shedding money it's quite possible.

In other news, Portland signs Juwan Howard.

Why should they have wanted Bass? Because he's a legitimate NBA player and Green is so bad that they'd consider cutting him after one year. That never happens to first round picks.

In retrospect ours was clearly the better offer.

Windmill360 · 09-18-2009, 12:08 AM

ours is always the better offer it's just that so many teams have their heads up their asses.

alby · 09-18-2009, 01:32 AM

I really hope Gilbert is 100 percent, that guy undoubtedly brings a lot of excitement to the NBA game.

MavsWiLLHaVeRinGs · 09-18-2009, 05:13 AM

If they've got potential and they're last name is Green, don't draft them!

MavsFanFinley · 09-18-2009, 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by dirno2000

Why should they have wanted Bass? Because he's a legitimate NBA player and Green is so bad that they'd consider cutting him after one year. That never happens to first round picks.

In retrospect ours was clearly the better offer.

Somebody will take on Green and we'll see if he can turn it around. Just because the Kings think he's a bust there's no reason to get rid of him (and Artest) to take on a player they have no use for.

The Kings already had a couple young guys to develop and Bass would have gotten in the way imo.

fluid.forty.one · 09-18-2009, 01:34 PM

Blazers signed Juwan Howard. I love it.