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BGMaverick9 · 05-09-2010, 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by jthig32

I don't understand people wanting Iggy over Johnson after watching a series and lamenting the fact that the offense too often devolves into praying Dirk will hit everything.

Andre Iguodala is not a legitimate second scoring option in a half court set. I think a wing playing next to Marion needs to be able to knock down a three point shot. There's a reason the Mavs started working on Butler's three shot the minute he got to town. I think Iggy could easily end up being a step down offensively from Butler at SG.

Now..as _c mentioned, if you can get Iggy without giving up Caron, and you play them together...now that's interesting. In that scenario, Iggy is your primary wing defender, and he's damn good at that. And Marion is your defender off the bench that can just about guard anyone you need him to. I would be on board with something like that, although I'm not intersted in Brand coming back with Iggy and neither are the Mavs.

But if you can get it done, Joe Johnson is a freaking home run imo. Not a grand slam like Wade or Lebron would be, but Joe Johnson on this team would be amazing, and I'm stunned that people are talking themselves into Iggy over JJ.

I can buy it because Joe doesn't attack the basket, he's a jump shooter. When things get tough, what does he do...he keeps shooting jumpers. I'm not sure his situation will magically change if he because 1B or Robin, whatever you want to call him on the Mavericks.

Our offense can easily be predicated by our defense and if the Mavs play good to great defense they can run and don't have to play in the halfcourt as much, thus that makes having a guy like Iggy become a solid advantage: he plays really good defense and can be a force on the break.

I know Joe doesn't have options around him in Atlanta but you are who are you...and he appears to be a jump-shooter. I'm not say I'm jumping off the bandwagon if he comes here, it's just my concern and if you give me a player like Iggy...it should definitely be discussed based on their differences.

edit: I agree that I don't see why there is a perception that he isn't leaving Atlanta. I would think this series against Orlando solidifies the fact he's bolting. He's going to in a Bosh-like situation, he'll be the second domino to fall to run behind Lebron or Wade. Guys him Johnson, Boozer, Amare, Bosh...they're the second piece to the puzzle for those guys. Joe is gonna get paid. If the big spenders like NY or etc can't get Lebron, I can easily see Joe Johnson going to NY.

jthig32 · 05-09-2010, 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by BGMaverick9

I can buy it because Joe doesn't attack the basket, he's a jump shooter. When things get tough, what does he do...he keeps shooting jumpers. I'm not sure his situation will magically change if he because 1B or Robin, whatever you want to call him on the Mavericks.

Our offense can easily be predicated by our defense and if the Mavs play good to great defense they can run and don't have to play in the halfcourt as much, thus that makes having a guy like Iggy become a solid advantage: he plays really good defense and can be a force on the break.

I know Joe doesn't have options around him in Atlanta but you are who are you...and he appears to be a jump-shooter. I'm not say I'm jumping off the bandwagon if he comes here, it's just my concern and if you give me a player like Iggy...it should definitely be discussed based on their differences.

You have to be able to play the half court to play in the playoffs. I'm not interested in forces on the break. You're really doing Johnson a disservice by calling him a jump shooter.

BGMaverick9 · 05-09-2010, 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by jthig32

You have to be able to play the half court to play in the playoffs. I'm not interested in forces on the break. You're really doing Johnson a disservice by calling him a jump shooter.

I just know what I saw yesterday was VERY troubling. He was at home, playing an elite team and they needed to play a "perfect game" and what did he do? He basically started out 0-5, all jumpers and they seemed forced.

jthig32 · 05-09-2010, 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by BGMaverick9

I just know what I saw yesterday was VERY troubling. He was at home, playing an elite team and they needed to play a "perfect game" and what did he do? He basically started out 0-5, all jumpers and they seemed forced.

Go look through the shot info at Hoopdata.

I just think we're losing site of the whole point of this offseason a little bit. Arguing about which style is best has some merit, but the bottom line is that this team needs a true second star. A true OFFENSIVE second star. Joe Johnson is an offensive stud that creates offense himself, passes well, and scores in multiple ways.

Andre Iguodala is not a creator of offense. He's a very nice player in his own right, no doubt. And if we didn't already have Marion, Iguodala might be the logical choice because of what he brings defensively. But Joe Johnson would bring much more of what this team needs.

BGMaverick9 · 05-09-2010, 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by jthig32

Go look through the shot info at Hoopdata.

I just think we're losing site of the whole point of this offseason a little bit. Arguing about which style is best has some merit, but the bottom line is that this team needs a true second star. A true OFFENSIVE second star. Joe Johnson is an offensive stud that creates offense himself, passes well, and scores in multiple ways.

Andre Iguodala is not a creator of offense. He's a very nice player in his own right, no doubt. And if we didn't already have Marion, Iguodala might be the logical choice because of what he brings defensively. But Joe Johnson would bring much more of what this team needs.

That's true but I'm just looking at what he's done in the playoffs as of late. Honestly, the regular season doesn't do jack for me anymore. I said the Mavs basically need to take the Spurs approach and just find your way into the playoffs and conserve your studs. He has been atrocious in this series and had 2-3 poor shooting games against a good defense in Milwaukee and they were short-handed. I am agreeing Joe Johnson is a solid player but calling him a home run is debatable. He definitely isn't helping his cause right now.

edit: the stats do suggest he has versatility. I'm not a JJ-hater, don't get me wrong. It's just I'm concerned with his ability to disappear and go into jump-shooting mode when things get tough. The playoffs are definitely leaving a bitter taste in them mouth.

92bDad · 05-09-2010, 09:09 PM

Be flexible...

First goal is to win a championship...thus go out and make every effort to secure the best talent available to form next years team.

If you can land one or two of the BLUE Chip FA's, then go for it...go all in, let nothing stop you.

However if those Blue Chippers go off the board, have a back-up plan ready...

What options to you have? What value do you have that can provide you with higher value in the future?

50 wins and out in the playoffs is NO LONGER an Option...it's all or nothing at this point.

The question...what would it take to get those Blue Chippers interested in coming to Dallas?

Time to recruit and negotiate!!!