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mac222b · 07-07-2010, 04:46 AM

all of these GM's and NBA people know about these guys personal lives. they hear things we aren't privy to. i think if word is out Super Cool Beas still has substance abuse issues no one will touch him. and it wouldn't surprise me if that's the case.

bernardos70 · 07-07-2010, 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Thomas86

Resign Haywood

Why do you NOT like him exactly?

DevinHarriswillstart · 07-07-2010, 12:54 PM

If Toronto does a s&t with Miami for Bosh, then that means Miami could sign Haywood straight-up, correct? That would suck to lose him for nothing.

twistaeffect2004 · 07-07-2010, 03:36 PM

Jermaine O'Neal will decide on three teams... the Celtics, Nuggets and Mavs.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/s...ALLASHeadlines

41mvp · 07-07-2010, 03:40 PM

We haven't choice if Haywood goes to Heat.Jermaine or nothing

twistaeffect2004 · 07-07-2010, 03:43 PM

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We haven't choice if Haywood goes to Heat.Jermaine or nothing

Or we could have one of the better center duo's in basketball.

41mvp · 07-07-2010, 03:49 PM

Haywood and Jermaine O'Neal is this is good.And watch with Damp???We mast trade him!!!

DevinHarriswillstart · 07-07-2010, 04:21 PM

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Like the rest of the basketball universe, Brendan Haywood will be tuned into LeBron James' one-hour special Thursday night on ESPN.

“We’ll see where King James is going,” Haywood said. “And then, after that, I feel everything is going to kick off.”

At which point Haywood’s free-agent path will finally come into clearer focus. Talking from his home in Charlotte, N.C., on Wednesday, about an hour after Chris Bosh and Dwyane Wade declared their union in Miami, Haywood wouldn’t limit his potential options once the James dust settles, but Dallas Mavericks and Miami Heat appear to be the frontrunners for the 7-footer’s services.

Haywood said the Mavs and Heat are the only clubs that have come to his home in Charlotte, N.C., to meet face-to-face. Mavs coach Rick Carlisle visited Haywood at the start of the free agency period a week ago and Heat president Pat Riley met with Haywood last weekend.

Haywood said both teams provide the opportunity to play with two superstars – albeit the Heat’s new dynamic duo is younger and will be together longer -- as well as a chance to contend for a title.

“Wade and Bosh is a great combination in Miami and that’s something you have to look at. But you know, I love playing with Jason Kidd and I love playing with Dirk [Nowitzki],” Haywood said. “Dirk is one of the coolest superstars ever, on and off the court. He hits big shots, he’s great in the locker room as far as making everybody feel like they’re a part of the team; not like he’s bigger than life. So, I love the chemistry with Kidd and Nowitzki just as well as Bosh and Wade, so who knows?”

Haywood’s plight is tied directly to James’ decision. If he joins Wade and Bosh in Miami, it would make it extremely difficult for the Heat to sign Haywood outright. But, if James goes elsewhere, Miami could offer an enticing, long-term financial deal with the opportunity to team with Bosh and Wade for years to come.

As a Bird-rights free agent, Haywood can receive an additional year and ultimately more money from the Mavs. Haywood made $6 million last year and his agent Andy Miller has called Haywood a top 10 center in the league who wants to be paid like one. That could push Haywood’s salary beyond $10 million annually, assuming Miami or another team with cap space is inclined to go that high.

A league source said the Mavs may be more in line with $8 million to $10 million. Haywood, who declined to get into salary figures, said he would like to complete a deal “sooner rather than later” so he can begin his offseason workout program with a clear mind.

“At the end of the day, I’m a starting center in this league and the market will shake all that stuff out,” Haywood said.

http://espn.go.com/blog/dallas/maver...ve-met-haywood

Underdog · 07-07-2010, 05:48 PM

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“Wade and Bosh is a great combination in Miami and that’s something you have to look at. But you know, I love playing with Jason Kidd and I love playing with Dirk [Nowitzki],” Haywood said. “Dirk is one of the coolest superstars ever, on and off the court. He hits big shots, he’s great in the locker room as far as making everybody feel like they’re a part of the team; not like he’s bigger than life. So, I love the chemistry with Kidd and Nowitzki just as well as Bosh and Wade, so who knows?”

That bit caught my eye...

DevinHarriswillstart · 07-07-2010, 07:25 PM

Nice words. MUCH nicer if he stays....

twistaeffect2004 · 07-07-2010, 08:17 PM

According to this Miami Heat beat writer, Jermaine Oneal and the Celtics are closing in on a deal.

http://twitter.com/wallacesports

"Go ahead and nix any thoughts of a Bosh-J. O'Neal frontcourt reunion. O'Neal to Boston is almost a done deal. Bank on it"

The Mavs are gonna have to go in a different direction.

frankvizza · 07-07-2010, 09:20 PM

good because oneal will do nothing here ,, i would go for al jefferson or gortat and take my chances

BGMaverick9 · 07-08-2010, 11:15 AM

http://www.dallasbasketball.com/fullColumn.php?id=3286
Gortat speculation

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DONUT 4: Lots of balls being juggled in Mavs Summer Shopping at the center position, where Jermaine O’Neal reportedly has MLE-type offers from Boston and Denver while the Mavs want in on the bidding – depending in part on what they can pull off with Brendan Haywood.

Can we assume that if LeBron goes to Miami, there won’t be enough dough left over for Big Wood to go to South Beach?

And then there is this, from the Orlando Pinstripe Post (Google Translation)

“Today I received news that the chances are that I would be traded to another club - said the basketball player. Asked whether the club is unable to guarantee him a place in the starting composition, Gortat just smiled mysteriously.’’

Mystery. The order of the day. … for the NBA but also for the Mavs, who depending again on the Haywood situation would likely like to revisit last year when they got Kicked in the Gortats.

Gortat at around the MLE rather than JO at that price? I’m in.

Gortat at around the MLE rather than Big Wood at twice that price? I’m in.

SMC0007 · 07-08-2010, 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by BGMaverick9

http://www.dallasbasketball.com/fullColumn.php?id=3286
Gortat speculation

Indeed

Is it wrong to think that given the opportunity Gortat might end up being better than Wood?

Underdog · 07-08-2010, 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by SMC0007

Indeed

Is it wrong to think that given the opportunity Gortat might end up being better than Wood?

Possibly...

Could a Gortat/Shaq duo hold down the 5?

FINtastic · 07-08-2010, 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by SMC0007

Indeed

Is it wrong to think that given the opportunity Gortat might end up being better than Wood?

I've got this feeling that there won't be a major dropoff. I'd really like to come out of this summer with Gortat as our starting center somehow.

Underdog · 07-08-2010, 11:51 AM

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I've got this feeling that there won't be a major dropoff. I'd really like to come out of this summer with Gortat as our starting center somehow.

The spares over at db.com have been kicking around a DUST-for-Gortat/Carter (or Pietrus) trade, but I'd love to land Gortat with part of the MLE and save Damp's contract for something juicier...

SMC0007 · 07-08-2010, 11:55 AM

I think it's more than likely Gortat and Shaq would be fine at the 5. Maybe an insurance 4/5 would be needed somewhere along the line in case Shaq kills over or gets hurt.

@FIN. I would love Gortat here as our starting center as well. I really like how active and quick he is.

Underdog · 07-08-2010, 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by SMC0007

I think it's more than likely Gortat and Shaq would be fine at the 5. Maybe an insurance 4/5 would be needed somewhere along the line in case Shaq kills over or gets hurt.

What, an undersized Najera doesn't do it for you?

SMC0007 · 07-08-2010, 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Underdog

What, an undersized Najera doesn't do it for you?

Are we still talking about Basketball???

HOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

BGMaverick9 · 07-08-2010, 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Underdog

The spares over at db.com have been kicking around a DUST-for-Gortat/Carter (or Pietrus) trade, but I'd love to land Gortat with part of the MLE and save Damp's contract for something juicier...

I might be missing something, why are you mentioning him with the MLE...he's under contract.

EDIT: With JO looking set on going to Boston that only really leaves Atlanta and Dallas interested in Shaq. 50/50 roll of the dice. I'd love to have either him or Gortat as the backup.

Rick41 · 07-08-2010, 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by SMC0007

Are we still talking about Basketball???

HOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

LoL. HEYOOOOOOO!!

Underdog · 07-08-2010, 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by BGMaverick9

I might be missing something, why are you mentioning him with the MLE...he's under contract.

EDIT: With JO looking set on going to Boston that only really leaves Atlanta and Dallas interested in Shaq. 50/50 roll of the dice. I'd love to have either him or Gortat as the backup.

Oops, my bad - for some reason I thought something-something, but yeah, Gortat is still under contract...

And the chances of getting Shaq just spiked up to 100% - it's between Dallas and Italy, remember?

BGMaverick9 · 07-08-2010, 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Underdog

Oops, my bad - for some reason I thought something-something, but yeah, Gortat is still under contract...

And the chances of getting Shaq just spiked up to 100% - it's between Dallas and Italy, remember?

If you can get either guy, you're headed in the right direction for improving the team.

If you can do the Gortat + ____ for DUST deal, it's even better because you still have the MLE to pursue a guard or whatever you feel is necessary. It might be underwhelming but I think it's a decent enough deal.

BGMaverick9 · 07-08-2010, 01:44 PM

It IS a circus:
Shaq and...Spurs?
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/rumors/p...urn=nba,254518

Underdog · 07-08-2010, 02:45 PM

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"Just because my minutes went down people thought I had a problem with him. He did what he thought was best for the team and he was very upfront about it. He told me about it," Haywood said of Carlisle. "He thought he needed to get Dampier ready for the playoffs if we were going to make a deep run. I was like, 'OK, if you feel that's best for the team than I'm going to fall in line with that.' He felt like Dampier, it was hard with him getting older and not being able to play with Jason Kidd; he felt the only way they were going to be able to get the best production out of him was for him to start and me to come off the bench because I could provide energy and offensive rebounding."

If Haywood was benched because Dampier couldn't keep up with Kidd's pace as a backup, then I doubt Damp slingshots back to the Mavs after being dealt...

BGMaverick9 · 07-08-2010, 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Underdog

If Haywood was benched because Dampier couldn't keep up with Kidd's pace as a backup, then I doubt Damp slingshots back to the Mavs after being dealt...

Gortat is still ideal for me as the backup...if they loved his potential as a starter a ywar ago, they should still theoretically like him as a backup at that pricetag.

You get a little more athleticism with Marcin and he brings added pick and roll abilities.

DevinHarriswillstart · 07-08-2010, 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Underdog

If Haywood was benched because Dampier couldn't keep up with Kidd's pace as a backup, then I doubt Damp slingshots back to the Mavs after being dealt...

I think injuries have gotten the best of Damp, and he is just out of gas. He never really came back from that injury he got in February.

SMC0007 · 07-08-2010, 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by BGMaverick9

Gortat is still ideal for me as the backup...if they loved his potential as a starter a ywar ago, they should still theoretically like him as a backup at that pricetag.

You get a little more athleticism with Marcin and he brings added pick and roll abilities.

Quite possibly better at most things.

jthig32 · 07-08-2010, 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by BGMaverick9

Gortat is still ideal for me as the backup...if they loved his potential as a starter a ywar ago, they should still theoretically like him as a backup at that pricetag.

You get a little more athleticism with Marcin and he brings added pick and roll abilities.

I'm just not sure it makes sense to commit to four years at the MLE for your backup center.

Now, if he can back up the 4 and the 5, now you've got something. I think Gortat is out of the picture at this point.

BGMaverick9 · 07-08-2010, 04:31 PM

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I'm just not sure it makes sense to commit to four years at the MLE for your backup center.

Now, if he can back up the 4 and the 5, now you've got something. I think Gortat is out of the picture at this point.

I'm assuming you mean MLE money...because he's under contract.
It's basically what were were going to pay him LAST year, and you tend to overpay for centers. I just don't see how you're getting quality from the position if you're not willing to spend, especially for a big man.

I'd much rather pay for a younger player like him at the spot versus someone like Shaq.

SMC0007 · 07-08-2010, 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by BGMaverick9

I'm assuming you mean MLE money...because he's under contract.
It's basically what were were going to pay him LAST year, and you tend to overpay for centers. I just don't see how you're getting quality from the position if you're not willing to spend, especially for a big man.

I'd much rather pay for a younger player like him at the spot versus someone like Shaq.

yes. Plus it's insurance. We don't have Howard that he's stuck behind. Haywood hasn't really floored me with proof that he is going to be the guy, or worth a guaranteed starter position. Over Damp hell yes but Gortat or some hungry athletic young man, idk. Hopefully Haywood comes out and I eat my words.

BGMaverick9 · 07-08-2010, 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by SMC0007

yes. Plus it's insurance. We don't have Howard that he's stuck behind. Haywood hasn't really floored me with proof that he is going to be the guy, or worth a guaranteed starter position. Over Damp hell yes but Gortat or some hungry athletic young man, idk. Hopefully Haywood comes out and I eat my words.

Apparently we might not be first in line...Looks like Washington and Minnesota might be in talks for a 3-way deal with Gortat landing in Minnesota.

jthig32 · 07-08-2010, 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by BGMaverick9

I'm assuming you mean MLE money...because he's under contract.
It's basically what were were going to pay him LAST year, and you tend to overpay for centers. I just don't see how you're getting quality from the position if you're not willing to spend, especially for a big man.

I'd much rather pay for a younger player like him at the spot versus someone like Shaq.

Yeah but last year we didn't have a center signed through 2016.

Obviously I would rather have Gortat over Shaq or Damp for the next several seasons, but I just don't think it makes financial sense to commit those kinds of years and money to your backup center.

I would be stunned if the Mavs acquired Gortat at this point. There is a limit to their budget.

BGMaverick9 · 07-08-2010, 07:10 PM

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Yeah but last year we didn't have a center signed through 2016.

Obviously I would rather have Gortat over Shaq or Damp for the next several seasons, but I just don't think it makes financial sense to commit those kinds of years and money to your backup center.

I would be stunned if the Mavs acquired Gortat at this point. There is a limit to their budget.

I agree there is a limit but I still think it's beneficial even at the level of having a valuable trading chip for the future. We know it's incredibly difficult to find a great deal for a center and teams have to overpay to get them...that can't hurt in the long run if you look at it with that angle. It doesn't hurt from a talent perspective at all. The only thing is the money.

Like I said, it might be a moot point because he might be going to Minnesota.

Underdog · 07-08-2010, 07:23 PM

So no Shaq, no Gortat, no Damp...

Who?

xrobx · 07-08-2010, 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Underdog

So no Shaq, no Gortat, no Damp...

Who?

moussa seck?

jthig32 · 07-08-2010, 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Underdog

So no Shaq, no Gortat, no Damp...

Who?

Why are you assuming no Damp? I think it's pretty likely that he's the backup center.

Or maybe they'll find a way to get a 4/5 to backup both.

FINtastic · 07-08-2010, 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by jthig32

Why are you assuming no Damp? I think it's pretty likely that he's the backup center.

Or maybe they'll find a way to get a 4/5 to backup both.

Didn't Damp kind of take offense to the idea that he would just boomerang back to Dallas for a low contract? Are we sure that we can swoop him up? I can't imagine the market being terribly active for Damp, but I still think we might have to shell out a little bit to him. How much do you think Damp can be had for?

jthig32 · 07-08-2010, 07:50 PM

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Originally Posted by FINtastic

Didn't Damp kind of take offense to the idea that he would just boomerang back to Dallas for a low contract? Are we sure that we can swoop him up? I can't imagine the market being terribly active for Damp, but I still think we might have to shell out a little bit to him. How much do you think Damp can be had for?

I think the "offense" part of it is probably overblown. I certainly never saw any direct quote from him on the subject.

I think he'll take most of the MLE for a year or two. Maybe 4 mil/year?

They might have other plans for their MLE, so maybe they pass on that, but a true defensive backup center is important, as we saw last year.