After prolonged slump, VC playing well going into playoffs - Dallas-Mavs.com Forums

C_Man · 04-17-2012, 06:16 AM

After the all-star break, Vince had a long stretch of shitty games, with the occassional good game mixed in. Overall though, his numbers were very, very poor from the all-star break through April 6th vs. Portland. Since then though, he's played very well, which is a good sign going into the playoffs.

Last 6 games:

29.3 MPG
10.7 PPG on 57.2% TS%
5.0 RPG
2.8 APG
1.2 BPG
0.8 SPG

4DN1 · 04-17-2012, 04:48 PM

It's VC though. It won't last.

redzwestisbest · 04-17-2012, 07:23 PM

Vince didn't have ANYTHING left in the last couple Overtimes last night.

He definitely has played decently the last few games though.

C_Man · 04-17-2012, 11:25 PM

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Originally Posted by 4DN1

It's VC though. It won't last.

He's played great for entire seasons in the past. So your statement has no truth.

spreedom · 04-17-2012, 11:29 PM

I'd love to see him play this well but in a more limited role... I think his bread and butter is in catch-and-shoot plays. He is a knock-down shooter when he has open looks with his feet set. I'm just hoping that he sticks to that and trying to draw fouls. No more off-balance, off-the-dribble shooting. He's probably shooting less than 20% on those shots, outside of the paint.

I love what he could bring to the table but I fear that we'll get 2010 playoffs Vince and not Know Your Role Vince.

4DN1 · 04-18-2012, 12:16 AM

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Originally Posted by C_Man

He's played great for entire seasons in the past. So your statement has no truth.

No one said anything about his whole career genius

Dark_95 · 04-18-2012, 12:29 AM

When Vince was in Orlando him and Dwight had a great 2 man game. In the playoffs they used Jameer and Dwight instead and he got unfairly dumped on by the Magic. Vince is at his best driving to the rim. He's better when he doesn't settle.

4DN1 · 04-18-2012, 04:14 PM

He's obviously turned into too much of an outside shooter and he isn't even that consistent at it

Kidd Karma · 04-18-2012, 06:45 PM

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Originally Posted by spreedom

I'd love to see him play this well but in a more limited role... I think his bread and butter is in catch-and-shoot plays. He is a knock-down shooter when he has open looks with his feet set. I'm just hoping that he sticks to that and trying to draw fouls. No more off-balance, off-the-dribble shooting. He's probably shooting less than 20% on those shots, outside of the paint.

I love what he could bring to the table but I fear that we'll get 2010 playoffs Vince and not Know Your Role Vince.

That's the thing that annoyed me most when he got to NJ to play alongside JKidd. Kidd would get him great passes in great spots to just catch and shoot. VC had to bounce the ball, or hold it, let the defense catch up, then he'll decide what to do. "SHOOT THE DAMN BALL!!!" The HC there at the time was questioned about it and he said it's hard to teach an old dog new tricks, he was frustrated with it too, because they were running the Princeton at the time and the passes should result in catch and shoots.

Agree with the shot he has, he can save a lot of gas by just catching and shooting it. Not as proficient as Ray Allen, but we should be running similar plays utilizing this skill he has.

adonis · 04-18-2012, 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by C_Man

He's played great for entire seasons in the past. So your statement has no truth.

Uh, no. I remember him averaging like 9 points on 30% shooting in early 2010 before turning it on late in the season, and then fucking up when it mattered the most for the Magic.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lQ6lvChs7To

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=42F801aTDLI

The last great season for Vince was 2009.

ottawasucks · 04-18-2012, 10:10 PM

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Originally Posted by 4DN1

He's obviously turned into too much of an outside shooter and he isn't even that consistent at it

Hey idiot. VC says whattup.

23 points and huge shot after huge shot to keep the mavs in the game down 8 in the most important game of the year.

4DN1 · 04-18-2012, 10:14 PM

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Originally Posted by ottawasucks

Hey idiot. VC says whattup.

23 points and huge shot after huge shot to keep the mavs in the game down 8 in the most important game of the year.

Hey idiot, I said he was inconsistent, not a bad player.

in·con·sist·ent/ˌinkənˈsistənt/
Adjective:
Not staying the same throughout; having self-contradictory elements.
Acting at variance with one's own principles or former conduct: "parents can be inconsistent".

C_Man · 04-18-2012, 10:18 PM

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Originally Posted by adonis

Uh, no. I remember him averaging like 9 points on 30% shooting in early 2010 before turning it on late in the season, and then fucking up when it mattered the most for the Magic.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lQ6lvChs7To

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=42F801aTDLI

The last great season for Vince was 2009.

Hey genius, I NEVER SAID he played well every season. I said there have been entire seasons where he has played well.

You need to work on your reading skills. They are abysmal.

Underdog · 04-18-2012, 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by 4DN1

Hey idiot, I said he was inconsistent, not a bad player.

in·con·sist·ent/ˌinkənˈsistənt/
Adjective:
Not staying the same throughout; having self-contradictory elements.
Acting at variance with one's own principles or former conduct: "parents can be inconsistent".

Semantic rhetoric... The person you quoted never said that you said he was a "bad player" - take your trollish bullsh!t somewhere else.

4DN1 · 04-18-2012, 10:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Underdog

Semantic rhetoric... The person you quoted never said that you said he was a "bad player" - take your trollish bullsh!t somewhere else.

Nah, you're just pretending he didn't imply it so you could post a reply that might show how cool you are.

ottawasucks · 04-19-2012, 01:01 AM

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Nah, you're just pretending he didn't imply it so you could post a reply that might show how cool you are.

lol wut

C_Man · 04-19-2012, 01:20 AM

last 7 games:

29.4 MPG
12.4 PPG on 56.8% true shooting
4.9 RPG
2.9 APG
1.0 BPG
0.7 SPG

chumdawg · 04-19-2012, 01:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Underdog

Semantic rhetoric... The person you quoted never said that you said he was a "bad player" - take your trollish bullsh!t somewhere else.

Not following your rhetoric here.

ShaggyDirk · 04-19-2012, 01:52 AM

Nice gymansium

aexchange · 04-19-2012, 08:49 AM

Trying to keep this thread on topic ---
I am concerned about Carter's propensity to pull an Antoine Walker and completely kill the flow of the Mavs offense. Sometimes, he's just a complete ball stopper especially when he has a smaller defender on him. When he and West are out there at the same time, you almost wait for craters to appear in the ground from the amount of times the ball is pounded aimlessly into the ground with the shot clock winding down...

mac222b · 04-19-2012, 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by aexchange

Trying to keep this thread on topic ---
I am concerned about Carter's propensity to pull an Antoine Walker and completely kill the flow of the Mavs offense. Sometimes, he's just a complete ball stopper especially when he has a smaller defender on him. When he and West are out there at the same time, you almost wait for craters to appear in the ground from the amount of times the ball is pounded aimlessly into the ground with the shot clock winding down...

This ^
a legit concern
I love what West brings defensively, his ability to get to the rim and get hot
shooting wise. But he pounds the rock incessantly regardless. So even when he's on and "getting his" every one else is lacking touches. By "touches" i dont necessarily even mean shots, but just actually touching the basketball

JeffViggiano · 04-19-2012, 01:26 PM

another good game by VC...i think he is only a SF now,he can't play SG.

ready for PO!

C_Man · 04-19-2012, 03:20 PM

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another good game by VC...i think he is only a SF now,he can't play SG.

ready for PO!

Defensively he can't really keep up with quicker guards on the perimeter, so he is generally better playing SF on the defensive end. He is a pretty good defender though within about 16-18 feet of the basket.

Offensively, it makes no difference what position he is officially playing. He's not going to play any different.

What I like is he is finally starting to get to the foul line again.

He15man · 04-20-2012, 10:37 AM

Vince Carter has been playing outstanding recently, hopefully he can carry it into the playoffs.

If he can, Dallas can have a shot at pulling an upset.

Underdog · 04-20-2012, 10:42 AM

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Vince Carter has been playing outstanding recently, hopefully he can carry it into the playoffs.

If he can, Dallas can have a shot at pulling an upset.

I don't know if you can technically "pull an upset" when you're the defending champs, but I definitely agree that Vince is our x-factor going into the playoffs...

SMC0007 · 04-20-2012, 10:54 AM

I'd like to see some more V.C. and Dirk pnr. Dirk and Jet is fine but you can't continue to draw from the same well forever.

He15man · 04-20-2012, 10:55 AM

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I don't know if you can technically "pull an upset" when you're the defending champs, but I definitely agree that Vince is our x-factor going into the playoffs...

True, but from a seeding standpoint it is.

sefant77 · 04-22-2012, 12:48 AM

Did his slump started here?

ottawasucks · 04-22-2012, 03:26 PM

VC is the x-factor. If he drives and gets to the free throw line and sinks his outside shot he will have a chance to become a legit 3rd option offensively to help take pressure off Jet and Dirk. It'd be like entering Caron Butler into last year's playoff run.

Center is the big question mark though.