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iella · 08-02-2013, 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by spreedom

He's going to be #20 next season. I was hoping he'd get his old number back but to no avail.

nuuuuuuuu

Dirk's Knee · 08-02-2013, 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by grndmstr_c

I doubt it. Pretty sure Blair would rank ahead of Sarge on the depth chart. And actually, I think the Mavs can carry more than 15 players into training camp and the preseason, so there's always the possibility that they could just shoot right past 15 and then wait to decide whether to sort it out with a release or a trade once they see how everyone looks in camp and how the various rehabbing players are progressing.

Only players eligible for trade currently or Marion, Carter, and Crowder. So really, unless you're giving Crowder up for cash and/or future pick, we've got really nothing which will work. Next month Ledo and Larkin would be available. But you really want to gamble your future prospects on Oden? The Blair signing to me indicated the Mavs were out of the running.

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Originally Posted by spreedom

Blair's deal is done. And I seriously doubt the Mavs are still actively pursuing Oden. We were the only team out of the original six in the running that didn't attend his most recent workout. I think we passed on the opportunity to negotiate with him after we signed Wayne, to be honest.

The ESPN article posted today says Dallas, SA, and Miami are in the front running and claims each have put forth an offer. I'm thinking Oden's agent is trying desperately to get SA or Miami to commit more years/money by including Dallas in there. I'm pretty sure we're out of that race.

grndmstr_c · 08-02-2013, 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Dirk's Knee

Only players eligible for trade currently or Marion, Carter, and Crowder. So really, unless you're giving Crowder up for cash and/or future pick, we've got really nothing which will work. Next month Ledo and Larkin would be available. But you really want to gamble your future prospects on Oden? The Blair signing to me indicated the Mavs were out of the running.

As of right now there still isn't any Blair signing. Beyond that, I think you missed the point of my post, which is that, at least as far as I understand the rules about offseason rosters, there's no reason Dallas can't make moves that put them over 15 players and then give themselves some time to sort things out. As you yourself noted, they do, and will, have options for clearing roster spots.

BGMaverick9 · 08-02-2013, 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by grndmstr_c

As of right now there still isn't any Blair signing. Beyond that, I think you missed the point of my post, which is that, at least as far as I understand the rules about offseason rosters, there's no reason Dallas can't make moves that put them over 15 players and then give themselves some time to sort things out. As you yourself noted, they do, and will, have options for clearing roster spots.

Just tweeted about it: You can go as high as 20 players during the summer and mainly use "make-good" contracts with players. Doesn't really pertain to Oden, but they certainly have wiggle room.

Dirk's Knee · 08-02-2013, 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by grndmstr_c

As of right now there still isn't any Blair signing. Beyond that, I think you missed the point of my post, which is that, at least as far as I understand the rules about offseason rosters, there's no reason Dallas can't make moves that put them over 15 players and then give themselves some time to sort things out. As you yourself noted, they do, and will, have options for clearing roster spots.

They can absolutely exceed the 15 limit during preseason. You have to admit the Blair "agreement" out of nowhere kinda looks like we were out of the running for Oden or that Cubes and crew didn't really see him worth waiting for. We could of course cut Blair, making his contract look more like insurance if Oden came on board. But I don't see them cutting/trading anyone else on the roster to make room for him.

The clues dropped in stories are that the only reason its taking so long is he's trying to get a more than 1 year deal but no one is willing to take that gamble. the more his agent baits that its still up in the air between a few teams, the greater the chance a team offers a second year. I really think Dallas is just being thrown around as a bargaining chip at this point.

BGMaverick9 · 08-02-2013, 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Dirk's Knee

They can absolutely exceed the 15 limit during preseason. You have to admit the Blair "agreement" out of nowhere kinda looks like we were out of the running for Oden or that Cubes and crew didn't really see him worth waiting for. We could of course cut Blair, making his contract look more like insurance if Oden came on board. But I don't see them cutting/trading anyone else on the roster to make room for him.

Except that they easily could, like Bernard James.

Dirk's Knee · 08-02-2013, 01:45 PM

Here we go. Perhaps we're negotiating with Blair and Oden under these terms. Let them battle it out?

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What is a summer contract?

A summer contract is typically used for training camp invites, because the player's salary is not included in team salary until the first day of the regular season. In other words, it is a "make-good" contract -- the player must make the team's opening day roster in order to receive his salary and for his contract to be included in team salary.

If the player is a veteran free agent who last played for that team, the contract must be for one season at the minimum salary (see question number 16). In all other cases there are no special limits to the salary or number of years -- a team could theoretically sign a player to a summer contract for four seasons at the maximum salary. However, summer contracts frequently utilize Exhibit 9 of the Uniform Player Contract, which adds further limitations (see below).

A summer contract can be signed from the first day after the July Moratorium (see question number 102) to the last day before the regular season. To avoid counting as team salary, the player must clear waivers prior to the first day of the regular season. To qualify as a summer contract no compensation of any kind can be earned or paid prior to the start of the regular season. The salary cannot be guaranteed or insured. However, the player may receive per diem, lodging and transportation expenses, and disability insurance covering summer leagues and training camp.

A summer contract does not need to utilize Exhibit 9 of the Uniform Player Contract (One Season, Non-Guaranteed Training Camp Contracts), but doing so limits the team's liability in the event the player becomes injured. If a player with an Exhibit 9 becomes injured and unable to play basketball prior to the team's first regular season game and the injury is a direct result of playing basketball for the team, then the team pays the player $6,000 when it waives him. This is in lieu of the rule for ordinary contracts guaranteeing the salary of an injured player until he is ready to play again or until the end of that season, whichever comes first (see question number 62). If Exhibit 9 is used, the contract must be for one season at the minimum salary, with no bonuses of any kind.

A team cannot sign a player using Exhibit 9 unless it has at least 14 players on its roster, not including summer contracts.

BGMaverick9 · 08-02-2013, 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Dirk's Knee

Here we go. Perhaps we're negotiating with Blair and Oden under these terms. Let them battle it out?

Why would either of them work on a make-good deal when there are clear offers from other teams for guaranteed deals?

Dirk's Knee · 08-02-2013, 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by BGMaverick9

Except that they easily could, like Bernard James.

I know James will never be a superstar. But your going to gamble a guaranteed big on your roster? Despite his rebounding abilities, Blair is undersized at center. I would see him more backing Dirk and Wright playing C. But with Oden on board you have a solid 3 man C rotation and Wright can play backup for Dirk. I'd likely keep Sarge over Blair, but perhaps you have some insider knowledge...

Dirk's Knee · 08-02-2013, 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by BGMaverick9

Why would either of them work on a make-good deal when there are clear offers from other teams for guaranteed deals?

Have you seen the deals? Just looking at the options. I'd be happy to be wrong...

BGMaverick9 · 08-02-2013, 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Dirk's Knee

I know James will never be a superstar. But your going to gamble a guaranteed big on your roster? Despite his rebounding abilities, Blair is undersized at center. I would see him more backing Dirk and Wright playing C. But with Oden on board you have a solid 3 man C rotation and Wright can play backup for Dirk. I'd likely keep Sarge over Blair, but perhaps you have some insider knowledge...

It's different circumstances, but they've already shown that James is expendable. If that's the case, it can easily be the case again.

grndmstr_c · 08-02-2013, 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Dirk's Knee

I know James will never be a superstar. But your going to gamble a guaranteed big on your roster? Despite his rebounding abilities, Blair is undersized at center. I would see him more backing Dirk and Wright playing C. But with Oden on board you have a solid 3 man C rotation and Wright can play backup for Dirk. I'd likely keep Sarge over Blair, but perhaps you have some insider knowledge...

I doubt there's a single NBA team that would keep Sarge over Blair.

Dirk's Knee · 08-02-2013, 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by BGMaverick9

It's different circumstances, but they've already shown that James is expendable. If that's the case, it can easily be the case again.

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Originally Posted by grndmstr_c

I doubt there's a single NBA team that would keep Sarge over Blair.

Perhaps that 7 block game has clouded my overall judgement of James. For whatever reason, I like the guy and was looking forward to seeing him suit up again.

BGMaverick9 · 08-02-2013, 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by grndmstr_c

I doubt there's a single NBA team that would keep Sarge over Blair.

Logic seems to dictate the value of Sarge, at least.

- No one was willing to give him a look as a first-round pick
- People got mad that the Mavs didn't at least "try" to get a second-round pick for James before waiving him.
- He didn't get claimed, so that would seem to indicate that with EVERYONE able to pick him up, no one wanted to claim him (thus showing that even if the Mavs tried to get a second-round pick, no one was biting).

grndmstr_c · 08-02-2013, 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Dirk's Knee

Perhaps that 7 block game has clouded my overall judgement of James. For whatever reason, I like the guy and was looking forward to seeing him suit up again.

Oh, I like him too. I was glad he didn't get claimed by another team when they waived him, I was glad to see him re-sign, and I'd be happy to see him stick. But there are clearly limits to his value, and there are clearly circumstances under which he's waive-able.

yahyes · 08-02-2013, 02:14 PM

I got this feeling we can pull it off landing Oden.

Underdog · 08-02-2013, 02:17 PM

Blair, Sarge, whatever - if we somehow got Oden, then either of them are expendable.

It's not like we're any less of a contender if Oden's health doesn't pan out, since neither Blair, nor Sarge, are putting us over the top anyway.

Dirk's Knee · 08-02-2013, 03:01 PM

I just don't see the Oden thing here. Of the 3 teams ESPN projected, Miami has their full Taxpayer Mid-Level Exception available to spend, up to ~$3.2 mil. He'd be looking at min deals in both San Antonio and Dallas. The only way I see him landing anywhere but Miami, is if someone offers an extra year (IMHO what he's holding out for) and I think the risk is just too great. SA has on open roster spot (their 1st round pick contract is non-guaranteed). I really, really don't think Dallas is still in the game. But again, love to be proven wrong...

DirkFTW · 08-02-2013, 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by BGMaverick9

Logic seems to dictate the value of Sarge, at least.

- No one was willing to give him a look as a first-round pick
- People got mad that the Mavs didn't at least "try" to get a second-round pick for James before waiving him.
- He didn't get claimed, so that would seem to indicate that with EVERYONE able to pick him up, no one wanted to claim him (thus showing that even if the Mavs tried to get a second-round pick, no one was biting).

Melonhead · 08-02-2013, 04:04 PM

What a puss if he goes to Miami. Turned into the yankess

Rumor on twitter that its down to heat and pelicans now lol

Underdog · 08-02-2013, 06:26 PM

Ummmmm, I do NOT trust this source, but: The Mavericks reportedly beat out the Miami Heat, San Antonio Spurs, New Orleans Pelicans, Sacramento Kings and the Atlanta Hawks for Oden's services. They cite Yahoo! Sports, but I see nothing on their website.

No word from any legit sources yet...

Kidd Karma · 08-02-2013, 06:34 PM

Supposedly Miami is making a late push with a 6:45 ....guessing east coast phone call?, that was 45 minutes ago:

http://sulia.com/channel/miami-heat/...source=twitter

DirkFTW · 08-02-2013, 06:39 PM

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Ummmmm, I do NOT trust this source, but: The Mavericks reportedly beat out the Miami Heat, San Antonio Spurs, New Orleans Pelicans, Sacramento Kings and the Atlanta Hawks for Oden's services. They cite Yahoo! Sports, but I see nothing on their website.

No word from any legit sources yet...

Oden must have stumbled across purplefrog's Raising Canes proposal and rushed to sign before it was altered.

spreedom · 08-02-2013, 06:40 PM

I'd be thrilled to add a low-risk, high-reward kind of guy like Greg, but if we do it, I hope we add him with the idea that we're only counting on him to be our third-string center. That way, we can be pleasantly surprised if he outplays Sarge/Wright and earns backup minutes. The alternative is signing him and really counting on him to be our day one backup center and having to regroup on the fly if he doesn't work out.

(Note: There's probably a much more eloquent way to phrase that... I hope I got the point across one way or the other though.)

Kidd Karma · 08-02-2013, 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by spreedom

I'd be thrilled to add a low-risk, high-reward kind of guy like Greg, but if we do it, I hope we add him with the idea that we're only counting on him to be our third-string center. That way, we can be pleasantly surprised if he outplays Sarge/Wright and earns backup minutes. The alternative is signing him and really counting on him to be our day one backup center and having to regroup on the fly if he doesn't work out.

(Note: There's probably a much more eloquent way to phrase that... I hope I got the point across one way or the other though.)

Well with the bodies now, you pretty much have to think Oden is 3rd on the depth chart going into TC.

DoYouEvenLift · 08-02-2013, 06:48 PM

Probably b.s. but

Sean Cunningham @News10Sean 2 hours ago
Twice heard the Dallas Mavs were leader to land Greg Oden

Kidd Karma · 08-02-2013, 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by DoYouEvenLift

Probably b.s. but

Sean Cunningham @News10Sean 2 hours ago
Twice heard the Dallas Mavs were leader to land Greg Oden

Interesting, maybe that's why Miami is making a late push with a phone call earlier.

yahyes · 08-02-2013, 06:57 PM

This could be an awesome move to try by Gersson Rosas if we sign Oden.

DoYouEvenLift · 08-02-2013, 07:31 PM

Chris Tomasson @christomasson about 7 minutes ago
Update (or lack of one): Greg Oden's agent, Mike Conley Sr., tells me at 8:20 p.m. EDT Oden still hasn't decided on a team.

Kante · 08-02-2013, 07:38 PM

So he thinks he have the right to make it like like LeBron and his decision? He hasn't done anything worthy in the last 3 years or so. Just pick a team and hope your knees hold up...

spreedom · 08-02-2013, 07:44 PM

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So he thinks he have the right to make it like like LeBron and his decision? He hasn't done anything worthy in the last 3 years or so. Just pick a team and hope your knees hold up...

I don't think he's really manufacturing any of the hype, especially when you consider that the teams he's had dialogue with have mostly been the ones with little or no cap space to sign him. He isn't sending out press releases or having his agent talk with reporters or anything... he's just the most interesting free agent left so he's getting a lot of the attention. I don't mind him taking his time in making a decision, and I don't think he's being a drama queen about it or anything like that.

That said, f'em if he doesn't sign with the Mavs. A moderate f'em because I don't think he's going to be an impact player ever again.

yahyes · 08-02-2013, 07:52 PM

It's the heat... Meh.

spreedom · 08-02-2013, 07:53 PM

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I don't think he's really manufacturing any of the hype, especially when you consider that the teams he's had dialogue with have mostly been the ones with little or no cap space to sign him. He isn't sending out press releases or having his agent talk with reporters or anything... he's just the most interesting free agent left so he's getting a lot of the attention. I don't mind him taking his time in making a decision, and I don't think he's being a drama queen about it or anything like that.

That said, f'em if he doesn't sign with the Mavs. A moderate f'em because I don't think he's going to be an impact player ever again.

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It's the heat... Meh.

F'em.

DevinHarriswillstart · 08-02-2013, 08:01 PM

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It's the heat... Meh.

Now he can Dojo his way to a ring...except Dojo was at least healthy.

EricaLubarsky · 08-02-2013, 08:01 PM

F--k Miami.

j0Shi · 08-02-2013, 08:14 PM

These guys are so predictable sometimes. If it's not about the money it's always about rings. I mean he could get decent minutes bc Miami's worst spot has always been C, but c'mon. It's not the most reasonable choice. Not saying that would have been the Mavs, but definitely not the Heat.

DoYouEvenLift · 08-02-2013, 08:16 PM

They didn't even have to use their MLE. League min 2 year deal 2nd year is player option. I wonder if he was leaning towards Dallas then when Miami called they upped to the 2nd year and it closed the deal?

I believe that also means they can still use their MLE to get another decent player unless the roster is full. Sickening.

yahyes · 08-02-2013, 08:19 PM

All good though. Oden probably chose it based on somewhere to party, instead of actually playing. Mavs still have a list of big guys to work with who's legs aren't made of straw.

Thomas86 · 08-02-2013, 08:23 PM

I'm beginning to hate the Heat more than I hate the Spurs and Lakers...

Underdog · 08-02-2013, 08:28 PM

Oden and LeBron on the same team is going to be damn confusing to watch...