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pepe · 07-10-2013, 07:37 PM

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Incompetent management

Or at least the appearance of being incompetent. Looks like a management without a vision. They stuck to an idea without planning for the probability that their idea might be flawed.

It will probably come down to the fact that talent evaluation, asset management and good old training and coaching is still the way to go and no so hocus pocus contractual loophole.

At least Billy Beane with the Athletics used advance stats because he did not have any other choice to compete salary wise. Will rather see an organization take that route and stick to it that chasing a Bynum option and giving the appearance of being desperate

Cerberus · 07-10-2013, 07:39 PM

Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojYahooNBA
Some NBA teams backed away on Bynum because of questions about his aggressiveness in rehabilitating his knees. Lots of doubts about him.

Now that Bynum's with the Cavs, I hope his knees don't hold up well to make an impact on the court. If we got him, I had doubts if he was even going to be fit. Didn't Brandon Roy have the same or similar problems Bynum is having?

jamaljasonandjimmy · 07-10-2013, 07:42 PM

"Mavericks will be better off without Andrew Bynum" Eddie Sefko.... basically cavs outbid mavs

http://mavsblog.dallasnews.com/2013/...ew-bynum.html/

SeanL · 07-10-2013, 07:45 PM

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"Mavericks will be better off without Andrew Bynum" Eddie Sefko.... basically cavs outbid mavs

http://mavsblog.dallasnews.com/2013/...ew-bynum.html/

sour grapes

grndmstr_c · 07-10-2013, 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by jamaljasonandjimmy

"Mavericks will be better off without Andrew Bynum" Eddie Sefko.... basically cavs outbid mavs

http://mavsblog.dallasnews.com/2013/...ew-bynum.html/

That is the second Sefko article I've read this week where he's thrown out the name of a potential free agent target who's already off the market.

jamaljasonandjimmy · 07-10-2013, 07:46 PM

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sour grapes

did pekovic sign with t-wolves?

jamaljasonandjimmy · 07-10-2013, 07:47 PM

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That is the second Sefko article I've read this week where he's thrown out the name of a potential free agent target who's already off the market.

jj hickson is in denver

DGM · 07-10-2013, 07:48 PM

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LOL... "incompetent management" even though nobody here has any idea what the results of the physical were.

Incompetent for being in position to have to consider Bynum.

DevinHarriswillstart · 07-10-2013, 07:49 PM

Hey, if I hear soon that Casey Smith said no to Bynum...fine. But if I hear soon that we're getting Dalembert...not fine.

Murphy3 · 07-10-2013, 07:52 PM

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LOL... "incompetent management" even though nobody here has any idea what the results of the physical were.

I suppose I should have used pre-k words for you and filled in every conceivable blank for the guys on the forum with sub 70 IQ's.

jamaljasonandjimmy · 07-10-2013, 07:52 PM

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Hey, if I hear soon that Casey smith said no to Bynum...fine. But if I hear soon that we're getting Dalembert...not fine.

Dalembert? oh hell no please

grndmstr_c · 07-10-2013, 08:04 PM

The Daly hate is another thing I don't really get. Disappointing option given the summer's biggest hopes? Sure. But he's a better rebounder than anybody the Mavs had last year, and he's at least as good a shot-blocker as well.

moogle · 07-10-2013, 08:06 PM

It is suspicious how quickly Bynum took the Cavs deal shortly after the Mavs' medical team examined him. I get the distinct feeling that the Mavs didn't like what they heard from their doctors, and simply declined to make an offer.

mac222b · 07-10-2013, 08:07 PM

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The Daly hate is another thing I don't really get. Disappointing option given the summer's biggest hopes? Sure. But he's a better rebounder than anybody the Mavs had last year, and he's at least as good a shot-blocker as well.

Im with you. He isn't bad for 25 mins a night. Depends on the contract I guess
He just has a rep for not caring at this point. Of course people said the same about Vince fore he came here

grndmstr_c · 07-10-2013, 08:15 PM

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Im with you. He isn't bad for 25 mins a night. Depends on the contract I guess
He just has a rep for not caring at this point. Of course people said the same about Vince fore he came here

Yeah, I mean that's what I hear. And of course you want guys whose hearts are really in it. But at some point you have to just acknowledge that a guy who averages a double-double with 2.5 blocks or so per 36 minutes is a guy who's worthy of being on an NBA roster.

jasonic · 07-10-2013, 08:20 PM

Marc Stein ‏@ESPNSteinLine 1λ

Neither Atlanta nor Dallas, sources tell ESPN, made formal offer to Bynum after their respective sitdowns with the former All-Star this week

mac222b · 07-10-2013, 08:21 PM

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Yeah, I mean that's what I hear. And of course you want guys whose hearts are really in it. But at some point you have to just acknowledge that a guy who averages a double-double with 2.5 blocks or so per 36 minutes is a guy who's worthy of being on an NBA roster.

Yup. Really curious to see the length of the contract. Im gonna assuming he's getting somewhere btwn 3-6 depending on # of years. If it's a one year deal closer to 5.5 -6? Cant imagine the MBT wanting to give him more than a one year deal unless they have totally shifted away from powder to assets. Which in this case would NOT be a good idea IMO. Im going to guess something like one year 5.5. Slight overpay to maintain flexibility.

grndmstr_c · 07-10-2013, 08:23 PM

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Marc Stein ‏@ESPNSteinLine 1λ

Neither Atlanta nor Dallas, sources tell ESPN, made formal offer to Bynum after their respective sitdowns with the former All-Star this week

Tells me all I need to know.

G-Man · 07-10-2013, 08:23 PM

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Im with you. He isn't bad for 25 mins a night. Depends on the contract I guess
He just has a rep for not caring at this point. Of course people said the same about Vince fore he came here

No way Vince Carter had a rep to rival Bynum's, plus you're talking about a 12 million dollar cornerstone vs a 3 million dollar futuure hall of famer 6th man spare. No comparison.

I am disappointed we didn't get either top center. But both are such head cases, its easy to make myself okay with it. i just can't be that upset that we didn't get Bynum. The guy would not work out for teams which means he is not confident that he is ready.

Last year at this point, we had no idea how they would field a team, with no PG, no 2 guard or center. They didn't do good enough, but on paper they put together a team that would have been a 6 seed, had Dirk been healthy.

Now its time to pull a better rabbit out of the hat, MBT. As Collin Powell might say, if asked about letting Chandler go, "you break it, you own it."

DevinHarriswillstart · 07-10-2013, 08:28 PM

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Tells me all I need to know.

All we need to know will be determined on how much playing time and production he has next season.

Murphy3 · 07-10-2013, 08:30 PM

I"m assuming his knees look about like the average spreedom post.. like absolute garbage..

mac222b · 07-10-2013, 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by G-Man

No way Vince Carter had a rep to rival Bynum's, plus you're talking about a 12 million dollar cornerstone vs a 3 million dollar futuure hall of famer 6th man spare. No comparison.

I am disappointed we didn't get either top center. But both are such head cases, its easy to make myself okay with it. i just can't be that upset that we didn't get Bynum. The guy would not work out for teams which means he is not confident that he is ready.

Last year at this point, we had no idea how they would field a team, with no PG, no 2 guard or center. They didn't do good enough, but on paper they put together a team that would have been a 6 seed, had Dirk been healthy.

Now its time to pull a better rabbit out of the hat, MBT. As Collin Powell might say, if asked about letting Chandler go, "you break it, you own it."

Actually was referring to Dalembert not Bynum in that post

mavs777 · 07-10-2013, 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Murphy3

I"m assuming his knees look about like the average Murphy3 post.. like absolute garbage..

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Melonhead · 07-10-2013, 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by jamaljasonandjimmy

"Mavericks will be better off without Andrew Bynum" Eddie Sefko.... basically cavs outbid mavs

http://mavsblog.dallasnews.com/2013/...ew-bynum.html/

In that article he mentions JJ Hickson as an option. I couldve sworn he already agreed with a team. Im down with Dalembert/Wright/Brand if affordable

Melonhead · 07-10-2013, 08:47 PM

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Yup. Really curious to see the length of the contract. Im gonna assuming he's getting somewhere btwn 3-6 depending on # of years. If it's a one year deal closer to 5.5 -6? Cant imagine the MBT wanting to give him more than a one year deal unless they have totally shifted away from powder to assets. Which in this case would NOT be a good idea IMO. Im going to guess something like one year 5.5. Slight overpay to maintain flexibility.

Read on twitter it was 6 mil guaranteed. With potential for 12 mil with incentives. Team option in 2nd year.

Melonhead · 07-10-2013, 08:48 PM

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The Daly hate is another thing I don't really get. Disappointing option given the summer's biggest hopes? Sure. But he's a better rebounder than anybody the Mavs had last year, and he's at least as good a shot-blocker as well.

Have always liked the dude and feel he could really thrive with the Mavs.

twelli · 07-10-2013, 09:29 PM

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Have always liked the dude and feel he could really thrive with the Mavs.

Same here, I think he's a solid center.

I am relieved that Bynum will miss most of the next season in Cleveland.

moogle · 07-10-2013, 09:41 PM

There were only four teams whose doctors had access to Andrew Bynum this year: Philadelphia. Atlanta. Dallas. Cleveland. Three of those four teams examined his knees, and decided not to make a contract offer. The only offer Bynum actually received this summer was from Cleveland.

There's a very good chance that we just dodged a bullet here.

Ninkobei · 07-10-2013, 10:49 PM

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Why would Bynum pick Dallas over the Cleveland? In Cleveland he gets to play with a ton of young talent like himself. There is 0 appeal to the mavs right now. Cleveland can even offer him more money.

You sexy beast, nailed it.

GhostFace · 07-10-2013, 11:29 PM

Excellent outcome.

LonghornDub · 07-10-2013, 11:42 PM

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You sexy beast, nailed it.

You didn't, though. The Mavs could have offered him more guaranteed money, and he didn't not pick the Mavs because Cleveland is more alluring. The Mavs didn't make him an offer.

You got the end result right (congrats on that coin flip?), but not much else.

G-Man · 07-11-2013, 11:47 AM

I'm dying to know what the Mavs medical team thought once they got a look at Bynum and his MRI's.

I suspect Cuban would have been willing to gamble the money, but could see that it was unlikely Bynum would help anybody this year. That's the gamble the Mavs can't afford. Dirk doesn't have any more years to waste. Better to have a Dalembert who plays 75 games than a whiny Bynum in and out of the lineup, and not that serious about rehab.

Good for me. Now I don't have to stop hating him for decking JJB...perhps the most cowardly act in the history of the NBA Playoffs.

purplefrog · 07-11-2013, 01:31 PM

My only criticism of the MBT is why didn't they meet with Bynum and his reps before or immediately after the Dwightmare. It seems to me these meetings could have occurred in parallel with the major purpose being to evaluate Bynum's medicals in the event that Howard declined the Mavs offer. The more systematic approach took a couple of extra days within which at least a couple of free agents (Jefferson, Iquodola) gave verbal agreements. I don't know if it could have been played any differently, but it seems that this FA crop made very quick decisions and the Mavs were caught a bit flatfooted while waiting for decisions/meetings by/with Dwight and Bynum. In the end it might not have made much difference, but the more linear approach taken by the MBT seemed a bit slow to me.... or perhaps it is just colored by my frustrations.

grndmstr_c · 07-11-2013, 01:48 PM

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My only criticism of the MBT is why didn't they meet with Bynum and his reps before or immediately after the Dwightmare. It seems to me these meetings could have occurred in parallel with the major purpose being to evaluate Bynum's medicals in the event that Howard declined the Mavs offer. The more systematic approach took a couple of extra days within which at least a couple of free agents (Jefferson, Iquodola) gave verbal agreements. I don't know if it could have been played any differently, but it seems that this FA crop made very quick decisions and the Mavs were caught a bit flatfooted while waiting for decisions/meetings by/with Dwight and Bynum. In the end it might not have made much difference, but the more linear approach taken by the MBT seemed a bit slow to me.... or perhaps it is just colored by my frustrations.

For the most part the guys who went off the market quickly were wings (was a little surprised how quickly that market geared up), guys who stayed with their teams, and guys who got grossly overpaid. I can think of two guys Dallas missed on while waiting for Dwight who would have been options (at least from Dallas' perspective), and who got contracts I can at least imagine Dallas being willing to match on: Martin and Iggy. Re: Iggy, I think GS is a pretty perfect fit for him, and he took a little less money to sign there, so probably safe to say Dallas wouldn't have been able to get him anyway. Martin...that may have been a missed opportunity. We won't really know until we see what the team ends up looking like, and while it might end up just being what it is now plus Wright and Daly or something like that, there's still an awful lot that could change with 8+ million and Marion's expiring deal to use in trades.

Unless you think missing out on Jermaine O'Neal was a horrible thing, I don't think the slow pace on Bynum has cost Dallas anything.

saclare · 07-11-2013, 03:10 PM

Trsut in our medical staff...no offer. Moving on...

The Ghost of Championship · 07-11-2013, 11:49 PM

Bynum is ****ing loser. How could anyone be so stupid want him?

The Ghost of Championship · 07-11-2013, 11:50 PM

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Bynum is fucking loser. How could anyone be so stupid want him?

Dallas jersey means more to me than most, I guess. NO BOOPING BYNUM!

Melonhead · 12-28-2013, 12:43 PM

So cavs have suspended bynum for conduct detrimental to team and are looking to aggressively trade him before the 7th. Do we want to be involved in that mess? Haven't seen his stats this year but reminds me of Lamar Odom circus redux.

http://m.espn.go.com/nba/story?storyId=10204879

Underdog · 12-28-2013, 12:50 PM

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So cavs have suspended bynum for conduct detrimental to team and are looking to aggressively trade him before the 7th. Do we want to be involved in that mess? Haven't seen his stats this year but reminds me of Lamar Odom circus redux.

http://m.espn.go.com/nba/story?storyId=10204879

http://www.dallas-mavs.com/vb/showthread.php?t=38650

Dan1 · 12-28-2013, 06:26 PM

Glad we didnt pick him