07-31-2014, 07:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Thespiralgoeson
Does Dirk really get that much credit outside of Dallas? I don't really know. I feel like people still scoff at the notion of him being top 20. I know Bill Simmons was the first major sportswriter to call him top 20, and he took a bit flak for it.
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Not after the championship. Many were putting him in top 12-15..
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07-31-2014, 08:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Murphy3
Not after the championship. Many were putting him in top 12-15..
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That's what I mean though. It was immediately after the championship that Simmons said he was top 20 all-time, and he caught a bit of flak for it. I think there's still a bunch hack sportswriters out there who have him behind guys from way back when like Bob Cousy, Bob Pettit, or Rick Barry or whoever.
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07-31-2014, 10:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Thespiralgoeson
That's what I mean though. It was immediately after the championship that Simmons said he was top 20 all-time, and he caught a bit of flak for it. I think there's still a bunch hack sportswriters out there who have him behind guys from way back when like Bob Cousy, Bob Pettit, or Rick Barry or whoever.
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Rick Barry and Pettit are quite a bit ahead of Cousy on the all time list I think.
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07-31-2014, 10:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Five-ofan
Rick Barry and Pettit are quite a bit ahead of Cousy on the all time list I think.
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I agree, and Dirk's ahead of all of them.
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08-01-2014, 09:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Thespiralgoeson
I agree, and Dirk's ahead of all of them.
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I think you might be selling Barry short there.
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08-01-2014, 01:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Five-ofan
I think you might be selling Barry short there.
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That's possible. Barry was WAY before my time. All I have to judge him by are his numbers and a handful of grainy clips on youtube. Still, when ranking players from different eras, I tend to go with new over old. Barry played in an era in which everyone's numbers seem a bit inflated. Something tells me that if Dirk played in the late '60s or early '70s, he would put up insane numbers.
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08-01-2014, 02:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Thespiralgoeson
That's possible. Barry was WAY before my time. All I have to judge him by are his numbers and a handful of grainy clips on youtube. Still, when ranking players from different eras, I tend to go with new over old. Barry played in an era in which everyone's numbers seem a bit inflated. Something tells me that if Dirk played in the late '60s or early '70s, he would put up insane numbers.
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I watched Barry play in the old aba. He was good, but he was nowhere near as unstoppable as the dirkster was from what I recall. He shot well, but that was about it. I admit it's been a while. Artis Gilmore however was a beast. Not a great ball player but a man among boys out there.
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