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EricaLubarsky · 01-27-2015, 10:26 PM

They are just better than us in every possible way.

I hope Rick can put something together, because right now it looks like piss-poor coaching.

Underdog · 01-27-2015, 10:27 PM

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Our bench: 13
Grizzlies bench: 32

Yep, been like that ever since the trade... Even guys like Devin and Barea have become less effective since Wright got shipped.

EricaLubarsky · 01-27-2015, 10:27 PM

worst possession I've ever seen. Rick can't coach offense.

EricaLubarsky · 01-27-2015, 10:28 PM

Can I start the PGT? I'm done.

This team is tremendously underperforming. I can even cheer for a bad team overperforming but watching a talented group of guys play like little girls is sad and embarassing. No energy, no flourish, no guts. Just all quit and awful.

Five-ofan · 01-27-2015, 10:28 PM

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worst possession I've ever seen. Rick can't coach offense.

Factually incorrect. We are struggling but rick is one of the 2 or 3 best offensive coaches in the nba

EricaLubarsky · 01-27-2015, 10:29 PM

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Factually incorrect. We are struggling but rick is one of the 2 or 3 best offensive coaches in the nba

Seriously? You talking Rick or Stotts? Rick couldn't create a good offensive play if his life depended on it and had Kevin Durant playing against a high school team.

Underdog · 01-27-2015, 10:29 PM

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Can I start the PGT? I'm done.

Hell no - with 7:30 left there could be a plethora of things that you might miss out on complaining about.

EricaLubarsky · 01-27-2015, 10:30 PM

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Hell no - with 7:30 left there could be a plethora of things that you might miss out on complaining about.

Well I turned it off. I went from happy to absolutely miserable in the last 90 minutes.

Dan1 · 01-27-2015, 10:31 PM

Down 19... Perfect time for the rally for a better looking boxscore.

EricaLubarsky · 01-27-2015, 10:32 PM

Hey, at least we tied the first quarter

Five-ofan · 01-27-2015, 10:32 PM

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Seriously? You talking Rick or Stotts? Rick couldn't create a good offensive play if his life depended on it and had Kevin Durant playing against a high school team.

I know it's ugly right now but that's really just crazy. The issue right now is we literally have one guy on the entire roster I have any confidence in taking a 3(parsons) and he passes them up half the time. I still have hope for this team but dirk has to be an absolutely elite shooter for this to work. If he's not, this team won't work. And for a disturbingly long amount of time, he's been a terrible shooter.

Vinsanity · 01-27-2015, 10:33 PM

This is easily the best game of Zack Randolph's career. Not statistically of course... because he normally only gets his points from bulldozing his way into the lane fouling everyone in sight. But in terms of showing offensive basketball skills, this is the most impressive I've ever seen Z-Bo.

yahyes · 01-27-2015, 10:33 PM

Randolph is getting way more space than last game Mavs played.

ActionJackson · 01-27-2015, 10:33 PM

Take the starters out, so there's even half a chance tomorrow.

We really need a backup C, Tyson can't take it much longer.

EricaLubarsky · 01-27-2015, 10:33 PM

.454 over the last 11 games. We're not even a .500 team anymore.

Five-ofan · 01-27-2015, 10:34 PM

If you are monta why not go to the rim there?

mac222b · 01-27-2015, 10:34 PM

why is Tyson still in?

DevinHarriswillstart · 01-27-2015, 10:35 PM

I supposed it's good to play your worst basketball now versus after the all star break, but mediocre is mediocre.

EricaLubarsky · 01-27-2015, 10:36 PM

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I know it's ugly right now but that's really just crazy. The issue right now is we literally have one guy on the entire roster I have any confidence in taking a 3(parsons) and he passes them up half the time. I still have hope for this team but dirk has to be an absolutely elite shooter for this to work. If he's not, this team won't work. And for a disturbingly long amount of time, he's been a terrible shooter.

I don't care about individual performances, this team has no clue how to play together at all. No clue. Guys are running into their own teammates on offense. That isn't caused by Parsons passing up a three.

ActionJackson · 01-27-2015, 10:36 PM

Hate to say it. Nelson>Rondo. Not as a player, but in this team.

EricaLubarsky · 01-27-2015, 10:37 PM

Felton padding his stats

mac222b · 01-27-2015, 10:38 PM

how is that touch foul called but not Koufas running into Felton on the teardrop?

Five-ofan · 01-27-2015, 10:38 PM

Ray Felton playing well. And how exactly have jj and Felton not gone to the line on the last two possessions

ActionJackson · 01-27-2015, 10:40 PM

No Conley, no Allen, Memphis are playing B2B and we have no chance?

Time to start Felton tomorrow.

yahyes · 01-27-2015, 10:41 PM

Off to ugly houston.

Dan1 · 01-27-2015, 10:43 PM

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No Conley, no Allen, Memphis are playing B2B and we have no chance?

Time to start Felton tomorrow.

And maybe Ledo.

Underdog · 01-27-2015, 10:48 PM

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Hate to say it. Nelson>Rondo. Not as a player, but in this team.

training camp > no training camp

EricaLubarsky · 01-27-2015, 10:51 PM

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training camp > no training camp

At this point I don't believe that at all. It's been long enough. Rick just doesn't know how to play Rondo and Rondo can't be happy. Cuban saw a discount at a yard sale and couldn't resist. Carlisle got a ragtag bunch of mismatched pieces that he's not smart enough to assemble into something even remotely watchable.

DevinHarriswillstart · 01-27-2015, 10:52 PM

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Hate to say it. Nelson>Rondo. Not as a player, but in this team.

Please. Nelson and Wright aren't fixing the two biggest weaknesses on this team. I'm sure you're smart enough to know what those weaknesses are.

Five-ofan · 01-27-2015, 10:55 PM

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At this point I don't believe that at all. It's been long enough. Rick just doesn't know how to play Rondo and Rondo can't be happy. Cuban saw a discount at a yard sale and couldn't resist. Carlisle got a ragtag bunch of mismatched pieces that he's not smart enough to assemble into something even remotely watchable.

It couldn't have anything to do with not playing 2 consecutive games in the same city this year and thus having basically no practice time? I love to complain about some things he does, but the only complaints you can ever make about Carlisle are his rotation patterns or lack thereof in some cases.

Carlisle is as good of an X's and O's coach as Iv ever seen. He's a great coach.

EricaLubarsky · 01-27-2015, 11:00 PM

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It couldn't have anything to do with not playing 2 consecutive games in the same city this year and thus having basically no practice time? I love to complain about some things he does, but the only complaints you can ever make about Carlisle are his rotation patterns or lack thereof in some cases.

Carlisle is as good of an X's and O's coach as Iv ever seen. He's a great coach.

I don't think you've read my posts if you honestly think that. I've NEVER once commented about his rotations. It's his Xs and Os that are the problem. I see a team that has no idea how to play together and that's the coach's fault. I see a Milwaukee team that can run basic plays. I see a Mavs team that cannot. Guys are all over the place and are completely lost. Our spacing is awful and guys are running into their own player on offense. Either Rick is calling it up well and the guys just don't know what to do or his hands-off approach isn't working. Either way, it's on him. The buck stops with him.

And for the record, I think that Rick is a tremendous defensive coach and as an all-around coach I'd put him top-5. His defensive schemes got us to a championship. On offense, he's always been hands-off, because he doesn't know how to coach offense, which worked when we had Kidd. Terry and Dirk had chemistry and Kidd was our offensive coach on the floor. We didn't need Rick to draw up plays. Now he has an actual challenge on his hands and is thus far failing miserably. Maybe a competent assistant could help that? I don't know. Right now, though, we may have the worst-orchestrated offense in the entire league. OFFENSE. The thing we were build for. Dirk is never comfortable. Ellis never gets it where he wants it. Our isos lack any pop and are frequently swarmed. We're just bad at literally every part of our offensive execution.

That and all of the awful gaffes and it looks like he's burnt out. He's still top-5 in the league right now, but we need someone who can create offensive fluency with this messy hodge-podge of players. I'm afraid that Rick doesn't have it in him.

jthig32 · 01-27-2015, 11:10 PM

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I don't think you've read my posts if you honestly think that. I've NEVER once commented about his rotations. It's his Xs and Os that are the problem. I see a team that has no idea how to play together and that's the coach's fault. I see a Milwaukee team that can run basic plays. I see a Mavs team that cannot. Guys are all over the place and are completely lost. Our spacing is awful and guys are running into their own player on offense. Either Rick is calling it up well and the guys just don't know what to do or his hands-off approach isn't working. Either way, it's on him. The buck stops with him.

And for the record, I think that Rick is a tremendous defensive coach and as an all-around coach I'd put him top-5. His defensive schemes got us to a championship. On offense, he's always been hands-off, because he doesn't know how to coach offense, which worked when we had Kidd. Terry and Dirk had chemistry and Kidd was our offensive coach on the floor. We didn't need Rick to draw up plays. Now he has an actual challenge on his hands and is thusfar failing miserably.

That and all of the awful gaffes and it looks like he's burnt out. He's still top-5 in the league right now, but we need someone who can create offensive fluency with this messy hodge-podge of players. I'm afraid that Rick doesn't have it in him.

No. Rick is known as an offensive coach. He made his name for himself as the "offensive coordinator" of the Pacers in the late 90's.

The offense does look bad, but we knew this would happen with the Rondo trade (or I did, at least). We still have to give it more time, and it's entirely possible that it just won't work and changes will have to be maid over the offseason. The Rondo trade wasn't necessarily a "win now" move.

And this was a particularly brutal game to watch on offense. But this team is still competitive in a brutal west. It's still one of the 6-10 best teams in the league. It was a really bad loss (worst of the season I'd say), but let's all just try to calm down a bit.

Five-ofan · 01-27-2015, 11:11 PM

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Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

I don't think you've read my posts if you honestly think that. I've NEVER once commented about his rotations. It's his Xs and Os that are the problem. I see a team that has no idea how to play together and that's the coach's fault. I see a Milwaukee team that can run basic plays. I see a Mavs team that cannot. Guys are all over the place and are completely lost. Our spacing is awful and guys are running into their own player on offense. Either Rick is calling it up well and the guys just don't know what to do or his hands-off approach isn't working. Either way, it's on him. The buck stops with him.

And for the record, I think that Rick is a tremendous defensive coach and as an all-around coach I'd put him top-5. His defensive schemes got us to a championship. On offense, he's always been hands-off, because he doesn't know how to coach offense, which worked when we had Kidd. Terry and Dirk had chemistry and Kidd was our offensive coach on the floor. We didn't need Rick to draw up plays. Now he has an actual challenge on his hands and is thus far failing miserably. Maybe a competent assistant could help that? I don't know. Right now, though, we may have the worst-orchestrated offense in the entire league. OFFENSE. The thing we were build for. Dirk is never comfortable. Ellis never gets it where he wants it. Our isos lack any pop and are frequently swarmed. We're just bad at literally every part of our offensive execution.

That and all of the awful gaffes and it looks like he's burnt out. He's still top-5 in the league right now, but we need someone who can create offensive fluency with this messy hodge-podge of players. I'm afraid that Rick doesn't have it in him.

So how were we arguably the best offensive team of all time prior to the trade if Rick is so bad of an offensive coach. How did he turn the Darren collision oj mayo team into a top ten offense? Rick is a great offensive coach. This team is a challenge to coach offensively and that challenge is especially tough when they can't practice because they never play in the same city two games in a row.

It very well may not work. There were legitimate reasons I thought that rondo might be the worst fit in the league next to ellis. But that being said we had to make this trade, our post trade ceiling is still higher than our pre trade ceiling.

Five-ofan · 01-27-2015, 11:13 PM

It's also worth pointing out that rondo has never been on a good offense since his second year in the league.

EricaLubarsky · 01-27-2015, 11:16 PM

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No. Rick is known as an offensive coach. He made his name for himself as the "offensive coordinator" of the Pacers in the late 90's.

The offense does look bad, but we knew this would happen with the Rondo trade (or I did, at least). We still have to give it more time, and it's entirely possible that it just won't work and changes will have to be maid over the offseason. The Rondo trade wasn't necessarily a "win now" move.

And this was a particularly brutal game to watch on offense. But this team is still competitive in a brutal west. It's still one of the 6-10 best teams in the league. It was a really bad loss (worst of the season I'd say), but let's all just try to calm down a bit.

This team is not even playing .500 ball in a conference where it takes .586 to get into the playoffs and .650 to stay competitive. If we lose tomorrow, we'll be 5-7 (.417) over our last 12. I am admittedly upset, but it's only because the team is getting WORSE rather than better. The chemistry is non-existent and seems to be getting worse. Chandler-- and amazingly, Aminu were the only two guys who played with passion. The offense is bumbling so bad it would be hysterical if it wasn't my team and on top of that Carlisle is acting insane.

So I absolutely do not agree with you that we are top 6-10. We aren't. We are bad and getting worse. Something is majorly wrong. Majorly majorly wrong. This team looks like the team with the Toines. No chemistry.No flow on either side of the court.

EricaLubarsky · 01-27-2015, 11:17 PM

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So how were we arguably the best offensive team of all time prior to the trade if Rick is so bad of an offensive coach. How did he turn the Darren collision oj mayo team into a top ten offense? Rick is a great offensive coach. This team is a challenge to coach offensively and that challenge is especially tough when they can't practice because they never play in the same city two games in a row.

It very well may not work. There were legitimate reasons I thought that rondo might be the worst fit in the league next to ellis. But that being said we had to make this trade, our post trade ceiling is still higher than our pre trade ceiling.

Who did Rick have as an assistant? Also, Dirk in those years was transcendent. Dirk now is merely average.

Underdog · 01-27-2015, 11:22 PM

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The Rondo trade wasn't necessarily a "win now" move.

This.

Give us an offseason to build our bench as well as have a training camp and this team is going to be dangerous.

EricaLubarsky · 01-27-2015, 11:24 PM

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This.

Give us an offseason to build our bench as well as have a training camp and this team is going to be dangerous.

Did people say this during the Toines2 experiment? We didn't trade for Walker and Jamison for now? Rondo is the far superior player, but so far this team looks as much like a hodge-podge of mismatched pieces as that one did. The difference is that that team was actually pretty good.

ActionJackson · 01-27-2015, 11:54 PM

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Please. Nelson and Wright aren't fixing the two biggest weaknesses on this team. I'm sure you're smart enough to know what those weaknesses are.

I have a strong hunch, but there are also rumours that the team misses Nelson's brilliant locker room humour.

mac222b · 01-28-2015, 12:55 AM

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I have a strong hunch, but there are also rumours that the team misses Nelson's brilliant locker room humour.

This made me chuckle