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NeedlesKane · 02-18-2015, 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by mavsfan1000

It's not like this team has been together for awhile. Parsons was still getting used to the system. Tyson Chandler said they would get better defensively the longer they play together. But hey. What's done is done. Hoping Amare can fill that Wright void. If so, the trade doesn't look so bad now.

I don't know if they were counting on something like this happening, but now it really looks like we gave up Jameer Nelson for Rajon Rondo, Jae Crowder for Dwight Powell, and Brandan Wright for Amare Stoudemire. Do the moves look so bad when looking at it that way?

Jae Crowder and Dwight Powell almost have the same level of production. Jae Crowder barely edges him out. Jameer Nelson is a better shooter than Rajon Rondo. We knew that, but Rondo excels in every other area. I certainly prefer to have him running the show, for now at least. What can we expect from Amar'e? He is a better rebounder, scorer, and passer than Brandan Wright. Brandan Wright is a stronger defender though as well as a pick and roll player at this time. Really, I don't feel any of these moves were drastic. They'll really just affect the payroll.

Before: $8,665,243 tied up to the guys who were traded to Boston. Afterwards, the Mavs are paying about $14 million to the guys they acquired.

mavsfan1000 · 02-18-2015, 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by NeedlesKane

I don't know if they were counting on something like this happening, but now it really looks like we gave up Jameer Nelson for Rajon Rondo, Jae Crowder for Dwight Powell, and Brandan Wright for Amare Stoudemire. Do the moves look so bad when looking at it that way?

From a talent perspective, definitely an improvement. But basketball is more than just having the most talent. Chemistry is huge. We'll see what happens.

EricaLubarsky · 02-18-2015, 05:32 PM

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It's not like this team has been together for awhile. Parsons was still getting used to the system. Tyson Chandler said they would get better defensively the longer they play together.

How does that in any way prove or even address the point that the team was better before the trade?

mavsfan1000 · 02-18-2015, 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

How does that in any way prove or even address the point that the team was better before the trade?

Due to the Wright void. Rondo wasn't playing well enough to make up for the loss of Wright. Powell and Smith were quite horrible as backup centers. But like I said, if Amare can produce as well as Wright, the trade is a success assuming Rondo does decently.

EricaLubarsky · 02-18-2015, 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by mavsfan1000

Due to the Wright void. Rondo wasn't playing well enough to make up for the loss of Wright. Powell and Smith were quite horrible as backup centers. But like I said, if Amare can produce as well as Wright, the trade is a success assuming Rondo does decently.

You didn't say that, though. Your argument that we were better before the trade was

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"It's not like this team has been together for awhile. Parsons was still getting used to the system. Tyson Chandler said they would get better defensively the longer they play together."

We were better before the trade because we were new? sounds like an excuse to not have evidence rather than a real reason we were better.

So your only real problem with the trade was the "Wright void"?

mavsfan1000 · 02-18-2015, 06:02 PM

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You didn't say that, though. Your argument that we were better before the trade was
We were better before the trade because we were new? sounds like an excuse to not have evidence rather than a real reason we were better.

So your only real problem with the trade was the "Wright void"?

And Rondo's offensive style hurting our chemistry. But I guess it's a tie given how bad Nelson was on defense. But giving up a key bench player was my main concern given Rondo wasn't an ideal fit.

Bryan_Wilson · 02-18-2015, 08:28 PM

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And Rondo's offensive style hurting our chemistry. But I guess it's a tie given how bad Nelson was on defense. But giving up a key bench player was my main concern given Rondo wasn't an ideal fit.

Nelson was also awful on offense here. His "space" he provided is no more than whats given by harris and jj and they are not shooting 35%, nor is rondo for that matter but jameer was. The mavs looked much better on offense early for many reasons all have been stated across multiple threads multiple times.

Before Rondo trade against teams .600 or better W/L-
3-5 record with a point differential average of -3.4 per game.

After Rondo trade against teams .600 or better W/L-
5-5 record with a point differential average of +1.4 per game.

After Rondo's injury against teams .600 or better W/L-
1-2 Record with a point differential average of -7.0 per game.

So without a preseason of practice and games to build a system Rondo has had an immediate impact even with the bench gutted. Practice during the regular season is also nothing like preseason, you can't start from scratch mid season on a competing team and you cant work near as hard because of fatigue. Everything is done on the fly, and so that's why so many ppl are saying just wait and see by the end of the year what this team does. I know winning by 500 vs sixers was fun but this team had major flaws against good teams. You made the point about parsons took time to find his way we were a "new team". Well he still had that month with the team during preseason. Then it took another 20 games to find his role and be comfortable. The hope is we get it all resolved by playoffs but if we don't the team before the trade was not better just cuz it could better exploit the poor teams.

Windmill360 · 02-19-2015, 12:59 AM

Forget backup center... We need this guy: http://youtu.be/KWoKqrs7Emg

EricaLubarsky · 02-19-2015, 10:29 AM

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Forget backup center... We need this guy: http://youtu.be/KWoKqrs7Emg

But does he have range?

Underdog · 02-19-2015, 03:28 PM

Sounds like Perkins is going to be bought out by the Jazz, but Clippers are apparently frontrunners to get him.

yahyes · 02-19-2015, 06:41 PM

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Sounds like Perkins is going to be bought out by the Jazz, but Clippers are apparently frontrunners to get him.

He's crap now. Basically a paper weight with occasional tantrums.

yahyes · 02-19-2015, 07:03 PM

Wow I guess front office wants to replace Greg Smith using Perkins. The guy needs to be incredibly cheap if he does join.

Underdog · 02-19-2015, 07:07 PM

@WojYahooNBA: So far, Mavs, Cavaliers, Clippers and Bulls expressing interest once the Perkins buyout is completed with Jazz, league sources tell Yahoo.

BGMaverick9 · 02-19-2015, 07:12 PM

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@WojYahooNBA: So far, Mavs, Cavaliers, Clippers and Bulls expressing interest once the Perkins buyout is completed with Jazz, league sources tell Yahoo.

I wouldn't read too much into that.

Underdog · 02-19-2015, 07:13 PM

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I wouldn't read too much into that.

Yeah, just saw this...

@ESefko: If there ever was any doubt (and there wasn't), Mark Cuban shot down any notion that Kendrick Perkins might be a Maverick this season.

DevinHarriswillstart · 02-19-2015, 07:19 PM

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Yeah, just saw this...

@ESefko: If there ever was any doubt (and there wasn't), Mark Cuban shot down any notion that Kendrick Perkins might be a Maverick this season.

I think he might want a bigger role anyway. Won't be many minutes behind Tyson/Stoudemire.

sefant77 · 02-19-2015, 08:11 PM

Dont get it...he wont have a big role with the Bulls or Clippers either...

EricaLubarsky · 02-21-2015, 06:12 PM

We were never in th Petk race...

But he's a Cav now

Underdog · 02-22-2015, 03:03 AM

@ESPNSteinLine: Sanders already drawing interest from teams seeking size (LAC/DAL/CLE pre-Perk) but sources say he has no current plan to return this season

Melonhead · 02-22-2015, 01:03 PM

If he does want to play next season, I hope the Mavs are first in line. Mavs have a way of resurrecting guys (sans odom). That's if he truly wants to play basketball. He'd definitely be a work in progress because I doubt he'll be working on his game this offseason.

Songbard · 03-01-2015, 02:18 PM

Any interest in JaVale McGee?
http://www.hoopsrumors.com/2015/03/s...ss-buyout.html

rimrocker · 03-01-2015, 10:59 PM

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Any interest in JaVale McGee?
http://www.hoopsrumors.com/2015/03/s...ss-buyout.html

Absolutely!!!
But can we get him for the min?
I doubt it.

With Tyson's nagging injury he'd be a good backup.

justvisitingsixerfan · 03-02-2015, 01:48 AM

If you want Mcgee he is available. My Sixers flat out released him Sunday night before the Midnight deadline. That was nice of them, but still kinda surprising. Cause who knows, next year he would be on his final year of his deal at 12 million. Might have made a nice trading chip. Dallas will definitely be interested I would think. But so to will teams like San Antonio, maybe even Golden State and Atlanta. So Cuban might have to go into his wallet and give a little extra under the table.

Underdog · 03-02-2015, 02:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Songbard

Any interest in JaVale McGee?
http://www.hoopsrumors.com/2015/03/s...ss-buyout.html

I'm not sure if the Mavs can take anymore personnel change, but if they can, then trading out Smith for McGee seems like a low-risk move to me... Not that McGee has much more upside than Smith, but in this case I'll take the devil I don't know over the devil I know.

rimrocker · 03-08-2015, 12:56 PM

What about Ajinca next season?
What kind of money is that guy going to get?