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tap2390 · 11-23-2016, 01:57 PM

IMO getting rid of Bogut isn't as important as doing whatever it takes to move Wes. If we have to give up any combo of Curry, Gibson, Anderson, Powell, or Salah to do it I'm all for it. As a rebuilding team we need young guys and cap room and if an opportunity for a trade arises, it arises. This is how the Celtics and Rockets were able to rebuild.

Edit: Bogut does have value for contenders this year, but I haven't been able to locate a situation/ trade that works. The Cavs and Celtics seem like the obvious choices but the only possibility I see is Bogut + young'n for Amir Johnson + second round pick, or so.

Bryan_Wilson · 11-23-2016, 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by tap2390

Bogut does have value for contenders this year, but I haven't been able to locate a situation/ trade that works. The Cavs and Celtics seem like the obvious choices but the only possibility I see is Bogut + young'n for Amir Johnson + second round pick, or so.

Yeah I think it would have to be for the next group of teams in the playoffs. Maybe even the ones on the cusp of making a playoffs. That first one is sometimes most important for the morale of a team or for getting players to stay in free agency. A team like the Blazers have lots of contracts that would make it work and they are under-performing. So maybe they are willing to part ways with an asset or future asset. Same with the Pels, prolly would love to get rid of Asik, who I want no part of... unless a 1st round pick is attached then I could go for it. There is also the inevitable injury that will strike. Remember when Portland lost Wes and gave up a 1st for Afflalo. Maybe someone like Deandre Jordan gets hurt, like maybe even tonight(i'm not wishing it honest), and they would be willing to lose a late 1st for a Bogut rental since BG32 and CP3 are nearing the end of their contracts. Of course it would mean Doc would have to trade his son away which, lets face it- he'd rather trade away BG32 for picks but you get the idea anyway

rimrocker · 11-23-2016, 02:39 PM

Maybe some of you GMers can help me out here. Maybe I'm missing something but it just seems that Mejri would be an ideal piece to add to a PO contending team.
I'd think OKC would want him bad after the multiple great games he had against them last season. The chicken feed he is making would be a nice Mejri for a 2nd rounder deal imo.

BPo001 · 11-23-2016, 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by rimrocker

Maybe some of you GMers can help me out here. Maybe I'm missing something but it just seems that Mejri would be an ideal piece to add to a PO contending team.
I'd think OKC would want him bad after the multiple great games he had against them last season. The chicken feed he is making would be a nice Mejri for a 2nd rounder deal imo.

They just paid Adams and Kanter. Where would Mejri fit?

Bryan_Wilson · 11-23-2016, 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by rimrocker

Maybe some of you GMers can help me out here. Maybe I'm missing something but it just seems that Mejri would be an ideal piece to add to a PO contending team.
I'd think OKC would want him bad after the multiple great games he had against them last season. The chicken feed he is making would be a nice Mejri for a 2nd rounder deal imo.

I think only place I can see Salah going for a 2nd would be Cleveland. They are over the tax line so his small salary helps them the most. They have some trade exceptions to get someone better but I'm not sure how much more tax they are willing to spend with the new penalties. And a 2nd from Cleveland is a glorified undrafted FA. Possibly Clippers I suppose if Speights got hurt.

Bryan_Wilson · 11-23-2016, 06:42 PM

http://basketball.realgm.com/nba/dra...rafts/detailed
-Edit- http://www.tankathon.com/power_rankings easier to view picks from this site.

Here's an interesting one... Currently Sixers own Lakers pick and it's only top 3 protected. So in all likelihood it's going to Philly. What if the Mavs get the #1 pick just for argument sake. Then Philly gets the 3rd or 4th pick. Would you trade the 1st pick to Philly for the #3/4 pick AND the Lakers pick which could be a borderline lotto pick (12-18 area). This is a really deep draft I think that could be tempting unless one of these guys just became a clear best player candidate. Another one... we have the 31st pick in this same scenario... would you then trade that pick to move down 2 spots and get the 76ers 2nd plus the pick a few spots later currently the NO's pick(76ers owe their 2nd to NO's so trade would be with NO's).

I guess then the question is, how far down are you willing to go to pick up the additional pick? 1st and 2nd round.

DevinHarriswillstart · 11-23-2016, 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Bryan_Wilson

http://basketball.realgm.com/nba/dra...rafts/detailed
-Edit- http://www.tankathon.com/power_rankings easier to view picks from this site.

Here's an interesting one... Currently Sixers own Lakers pick and it's only top 3 protected. So in all likelihood it's going to Philly. What if the Mavs get the #1 pick just for argument sake. Then Philly gets the 3rd or 4th pick. Would you trade the 1st pick to Philly for the #3/4 pick AND the Lakers pick which could be a borderline lotto pick (12-18 area). This is a really deep draft I think that could be tempting unless one of these guys just became a clear best player candidate. Another one... we have the 31st pick in this same scenario... would you then trade that pick to move down 2 spots and get the 76ers 2nd plus the pick a few spots later currently the NO's pick(76ers owe their 2nd to NO's so trade would be with NO's).

I guess then the question is, how far down are you willing to go to pick up the additional pick? 1st and 2nd round.

I would make that trade in a second. No way 6ers do.

I'd be happy with anything top 5.

Bryan_Wilson · 11-23-2016, 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

I would make that trade in a second. No way 6ers do.

I'd be happy with anything top 5.

Idk I think they could be interested. They do not need a big man because they are trying to get rid of one or 2 as it is. Maybe they still want Giles just seems weird to get yet another front court player. Especially one with an injury history and questions about his game outside of 15 feet. They probably just want someone who pairs well with Simmons. So likely an off ball scorer. But if they fell in love with 1 player I think they would be willing to lose their other 1st to make sure they got the guy they wanted. Maybe I should put the proverbial pipe away tho.

rimrocker · 11-24-2016, 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Bryan_Wilson

http://basketball.realgm.com/nba/dra...rafts/detailed
-Edit- http://www.tankathon.com/power_rankings easier to view picks from this site.

Here's an interesting one... Currently Sixers own Lakers pick and it's only top 3 protected. So in all likelihood it's going to Philly. What if the Mavs get the #1 pick just for argument sake. Then Philly gets the 3rd or 4th pick. Would you trade the 1st pick to Philly for the #3/4 pick AND the Lakers pick which could be a borderline lotto pick (12-18 area). This is a really deep draft I think that could be tempting unless one of these guys just became a clear best player candidate. Another one... we have the 31st pick in this same scenario... would you then trade that pick to move down 2 spots and get the 76ers 2nd plus the pick a few spots later currently the NO's pick(76ers owe their 2nd to NO's so trade would be with NO's).

I guess then the question is, how far down are you willing to go to pick up the additional pick? 1st and 2nd round.

These are some interesting scenarios the Mavs should consider if things play out that way.
This is certainly the way the Mavs should be thinking and why I think they should start looking to trade anyone not named Dirk or Harrison to get any type of pick back in this year's draft even if we have to take back some bad contracts in the process.
The more picks we have, the more flexibility and opportunities Donnie and Mark will have on draft day.

Melonhead · 11-23-2016, 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by tap2390

IMO getting rid of Bogut isn't as important as doing whatever it takes to move Wes. If we have to give up any combo of Curry, Gibson, Anderson, Powell, or Salah to do it I'm all for it. As a rebuilding team we need young guys and cap room and if an opportunity for a trade arises, it arises. This is how the Celtics and Rockets were able to rebuild.

Edit: Bogut does have value for contenders this year, but I haven't been able to locate a situation/ trade that works. The Cavs and Celtics seem like the obvious choices but the only possibility I see is Bogut + young'n for Amir Johnson + second round pick, or so.

Unfortunately Wes isnt going anywhere. Bogut has no place on a tanking team and needs to go to a bubble contender ASAP and get what we can. He's not doing the Mavs or himself any good right now. Before December is over I wouldnt be surprised if he's close to being moved.