Carlisle and the era to positionless basketball

[MFFL]

The NBA is moving to an era of positionless basketball.

Not sure Coach is moving that way. Right now coach seems to prefer a positionless backcourt but the frontcourt seems to be traditional.

That's why I think Doncic will start in the backcourt.

[sefant77]

Rick always want a stretch-4 on the court and every guard/wing has to be able to shoot.

Yes, Rick prefers to play with a true center but this center has to be a strong in the PnR, so he demands a "modern" center.

Dont know why you think Rick doesnt play modern. Give him smart guards and center who are strong in the PnR and he always gives you a top offense. See 14-15 before the stupid Rondo trade.

[MFFL]

Modern centers can shoot the 3 so the whatever player gets the mismatch can post up

And coach is excellent at offense but I don't think you can be excellent or even very good on defense unless you can switch more

[EricaLubarsky]

Not really the era of positionless ball. Other than a few guys that transcend position like LeBron, we still see position being important, particularly on offense.

However, what we have seen is a lot more of is switching on defense. It used to be that guys were judged on how well they fought through screens. Now guys are just switching on every single screen. I get that some players like Curry will take the three immediately and hit it with good accuracy, but few players really use that as a major tool, which means there is absolutely no need to switch every single screen. In addition, the quality of screens has gotten worse and screens are lazier. The screener knows the defender is going to switch so there's no need to really set a solid screen and with the importance of the three, they will even screen deeper to give the three-point shooter more space, but that means that there's even more room to fight the screen.

I personally think that the pendulum will swing the other way this season and that we'll see more coaches call for guys to fight through screens, but if we don't it does mean that guys have to be longer and more able to defend multiple positions. It's why the Celtics are so good-- they have a bunch of similar guys with good length that are all 6'4" or bigger that can switch on every single screen and still defend their man.

Ultimately that doesn't matter much, because we're not the Celtics. We have a lot of guys with short wingspans and we barely won 24 games last year. We can't just leave talent on the table because we're afraid that they don't have the length to guard three or more positions and we've also got a full roster. Rick will at least attempt to make up for our lack of length and defensive versatility.

[SMC0007]

Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

Not really the era of positionless ball. Other than a few guys that transcend position like LeBron, we still see position being important, particularly on offense.

However, what we have seen is a lot more of is switching on defense. It used to be that guys were judged on how well they fought through screens. Now guys are just switching on every single screen. I get that some players like Curry will take the three immediately and hit it with good accuracy, but few players really use that as a major tool, which means there is absolutely no need to switch every single screen. In addition, the quality of screens has gotten worse and screens are lazier. The screener knows the defender is going to switch so there's no need to really set a solid screen and with the importance of the three, they will even screen deeper to give the three-point shooter more space, but that means that there's even more room to fight the screen.

I personally think that the pendulum will swing the other way this season and that we'll see more coaches call for guys to fight through screens, but if we don't it does mean that guys have to be longer and more able to defend multiple positions. It's why the Celtics are so good-- they have a bunch of similar guys with good length that are all 6'4" or bigger that can switch on every single screen and still defend their man.

Ultimately that doesn't matter much, because we're not the Celtics. We have a lot of guys with short wingspans and we barely won 24 games last year. We can't just leave talent on the table because we're afraid that they don't have the length to guard three or more positions and we've also got a full roster. Rick will at least attempt to make up for our lack of length and defensive versatility.

I couldn't agree more. I think there was tons of proof last year as to why it shouldn't be a blanket thing to switch on screens. For us, Having DJ will help afford us time and space to fight thru and get back, and if they take an outside shot he improves our rebounding incredibly.

[Bryan_Wilson]

Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

Not really the era of positionless ball. Other than a few guys that transcend position like LeBron, we still see position being important, particularly on offense.

However, what we have seen is a lot more of is switching on defense. It used to be that guys were judged on how well they fought through screens. Now guys are just switching on every single screen. I get that some players like Curry will take the three immediately and hit it with good accuracy, but few players really use that as a major tool, which means there is absolutely no need to switch every single screen. In addition, the quality of screens has gotten worse and screens are lazier. The screener knows the defender is going to switch so there's no need to really set a solid screen and with the importance of the three, they will even screen deeper to give the three-point shooter more space, but that means that there's even more room to fight the screen.

I personally think that the pendulum will swing the other way this season and that we'll see more coaches call for guys to fight through screens, but if we don't it does mean that guys have to be longer and more able to defend multiple positions. It's why the Celtics are so good-- they have a bunch of similar guys with good length that are all 6'4" or bigger that can switch on every single screen and still defend their man.

Ultimately that doesn't matter much, because we're not the Celtics. We have a lot of guys with short wingspans and we barely won 24 games last year. We can't just leave talent on the table because we're afraid that they don't have the length to guard three or more positions and we've also got a full roster. Rick will at least attempt to make up for our lack of length and defensive versatility.

All of this. Position less basketball to me is more about switching on defense than the role on offense. It's lazy to me that all these defenses just keep allowing teams to screen a big onto an iso player like we saw in the playoffs. If they want to shoot 30 foot 3's then I'd rather that then allow a top iso player like Durant, Harden, CP3, etc to just go one on one with a big. The sole exception would be Curry. Since I remember back in '16 or '17 he was at one point shooting over 50% from 28feet+. Everyone else I'll just clap my hands if they hit a shot from that deep. I hope we do see a bigger emphasis on fighting through screens.

The NBA also really should stop the stupid ass jumping into a defender shit. If a player on defense has to go vertical otherwise it's a foul, no idea why the offensive player can jump forward left or right, create contact, and get away with it for bailouts.

[MavzMan]

Capella is by no means an outside threat yet everyone on the board agrees he will be next year's UFA target if possible. Houston practically made it to the finals, ok made it a real series, with significant contribution from him. The position-less basketball appears to be more on the defensive side than offense and even then, only a couple of teams can achieve it (GS, BOS, ???).

It's a difficult balance. You don't give up offense just for the sake of having guys that can defend multiple positions or DFS would be a starter. You don't sign a center for $22 million that can barely hit a shot beyond 10 feet. So ultimately, it's who do you have on your roster and maximize their talents for the better of the team. IMO RC is really good at that. Didn't GS start or perfect this position-less trend now? They did it because they maximized Curry/Klay outside shooting and Green's physicality. If you don't have those 3 players, then you play to your strengths whatever that is.

[MavzMan]

Originally Posted by Bryan_Wilson

The NBA also really should stop the stupid ass jumping into a defender shit. If a player on defense has to go vertical otherwise it's a foul, no idea why the offensive player can jump forward left or right, create contact, and get away with it for bailouts.

Yes 1000% percent! I can't stand having to defend a stupid call like that when regular non-basketball people watch the game and ask WTF? All I can say, "yeah, it's part of the rules." Rip through should not be a foul at all. Blatant flopping needs to punished more aggressively although it didn't seem as bad last year, probably because DWade wasn't doing anything in the playoffs.

[SMC0007]

Originally Posted by MavzMan

Capella is by no means an outside threat yet everyone on the board agrees he will be next year's UFA target if possible. Houston practically made it to the finals, ok made it a real series, with significant contribution from him. The position-less basketball appears to be more on the defensive side than offense and even then, only a couple of teams can achieve it (GS, BOS, ???).

It's a difficult balance. You don't give up offense just for the sake of having guys that can defend multiple positions or DFS would be a starter. You don't sign a center for $22 million that can barely hit a shot beyond 10 feet. So ultimately, it's who do you have on your roster and maximize their talents for the better of the team. IMO RC is really good at that. Didn't GS start or perfect this position-less trend now? They did it because they maximized Curry/Klay outside shooting and Green's physicality. If you don't have those 3 players, then you play to your strengths whatever that is.

Yea but it's Golden State man! We have to be just like them to succeed.

[EricaLubarsky]

Originally Posted by SMC0007

Yea but it's Golden State man! We have to be just like them to succeed.

It's gonna work for Atlanta with Trey Young and Kevin Huerter playing Curry and Thompson on TV

[SMC0007]

Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

It's gonna work for Atlanta with Trey Young and Kevin Huerter playing Curry and Thompson on TV

Yes, now there's a rock solid plan. I'm assuming most of their games will be on ESPN and TNT right?

[EricaLubarsky]

Originally Posted by SMC0007

Yes, now there's a rock solid plan. I'm assuming most of their games will be on ESPN and TNT right?

Ha! Yup. All of them.

TNT is based in Atlanta isn't it?