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[MavzMan]

There is a big difference between a drunk ass in high school and attempted rape. If being a drunk ass is the standard for serving in any capacity, then that more than likely eliminates 90+% of all Americans.

She accused Judge who also denied all allegations and signed a letter through his lawyer. I would hope there would be someone who could place them at the party and said they saw those guys drunk with her.

Ramirez has the exact same issues but even worse. She admits that she was intoxicated as well and doesn't remember. She spent six days with a lawyer getting her story straight.

The reason i say it looks like a hit piece is because if there is an investigation, how long do we wait for it to finish? A year? 2 years? So by then, there is a chance there would not be enough votes for Kavanaugh. Dragging this out does nothing but help the democrats.

[sefant77]

Originally Posted by MavzMan

Dragging this out does nothing but help the democrats.

Or the women? Like i meant...they are asking for justice and a fair investigation, like it should be normal in a democracy and they are getting shut down because of the retarded level of left vs right or dems vs reps "arguments"

Or it helps that a guy with a solid chance that he isnt a fit, DOESNT get a lifelong job in the highest court...duh.

I guess politics are more important than some womens rights...

PS: there is a significant difference between signing a letter and a testimony.

[MavzMan]

Originally Posted by sefant77

Or the women? Like i meant...they are asking for justice and a fair investigation, like it should be normal in a democracy and they are getting shut down because of the retarded level of left vs right or dems vs reps "arguments"

Or it helps that a guy with a solid chance that he isnt a fit, DOESNT get a lifelong job in the highest court...duh.

I guess politics are more important than some womens rights...

PS: there is a significant difference between signing a letter and a testimony.

As soon as I read what I had posted, I knew you would go this direction with what I had said. My intent with the "Does nothing" is from a pure political perspective which is why i broke it out from my other responses. While this sounds heartless, it can't be ignored that it is what seems like is happening given the timeline of stories coming out.

Regarding "politics are more important than some womens rights" ... really? Did I say that women should not have the right to vote? Women should not be heard? Women should be ignored? That is the inclination that you are implying and is exactly the direction the media takes with this. Well crap, there i go with 'the media'. OK, forget i said that one. My point is that at this time, there is no corroborating evidence to believe what she said is accurate and happened. Given it's been months since she told Feinstein about, I find it highly unlikely that they haven't been digging into every corner trying to find more to back up her claim and prove Kavanaugh is a worthless POS.

I've been fine with this questioning of Kavanaugh and believe it's 100% legit. Ask those questions, get answers. But let me ask you 2 questions. 1) If he vehemently denies them and says it's slander on his good name, do you think he looks smug and not believe him? 2) If he calmly denies them and says it never happened, do you think he's a cold hearted bastard and not believe him? The fact is he is being portrayed as a guilty SOB without any other evidence from an accusation that is over 30 years old without any specifics. That is really, really, really scary.

If he is Cosby or Moore and there are reliable people to back up the claim, kick his butt out on the street. But if we judge him based on his looks and reactions and our own opinions over real evidence, then we are far worse off regardless if he did it or did not. We are literally degenerating into a mob rule led by whatever we choose to view and read on TV and the internet.

[mac222b]

Originally Posted by MavzMan

There is a big difference between a drunk ass in high school and attempted rape. If being a drunk ass is the standard for serving in any capacity, then that more than likely eliminates 90+% of all Americans.

She accused Judge who also denied all allegations and signed a letter through his lawyer. I would hope there would be someone who could place them at the party and said they saw those guys drunk with her.

Ramirez has the exact same issues but even worse. She admits that she was intoxicated as well and doesn't remember. She spent six days with a lawyer getting her story straight.

The reason i say it looks like a hit piece is because if there is an investigation, how long do we wait for it to finish? A year? 2 years? So by then, there is a chance there would not be enough votes for Kavanaugh. Dragging this out does nothing but help the democrats.

The Republicans let Scalia's seat sit vacant for 422 days. They refused to even speak with Merrick Garland. Informally even.

[Bryan_Wilson]

Ford sent a letter to Feinstein, the ranking Democrat on the Judiciary Committee, on July 30. There was no reason to sit on this letter and do nothing(aside from political reasons). Ford said she wanted to remain anonymous in her letter. If Feinstein thought Ford’s letter held credibility she could have brought it to the attention of the committee and had it investigated quietly.

She finally sent the letter to the FBI on September 12th. For reasons still unknown she waited that long to send the letter to the FBI. She never showed the letter to the committee during this time. What did she and Kavanaugh go through from July 30th to September 12th? She held a private meeting with Kavanaugh as did 64 other senators. Kavanaugh was under oath for more than 30 hours and submitted more than 1000 written answers to questions. Only after all of this did she decide to send the letter Ford sent her to the FBI in the 11th hour. She could have informed her colleagues before they all interviewed him, before the written answers. If she really cared about this woman why the hell did she sit on this letter until after the entire process was complete with only the vote being left? And then on top of that the day she sent it to the FBI it's mysteriously leaked to the media as well.

Give me a break. This absolutely is a left and right issue. The right wants the seat secured before the house and senate vote in November. The left want it delayed until after. And nobody cares if she wanted to be anonymous and nobody cares if she wants an investigation. Neither side cares about that, and when they do it's only when it suits them.

Which brings me back to what I said... this was a hearing exactly like every other house or senate hearing. It's just a show.

[spreedom]

Originally Posted by Bryan_Wilson

Ford sent a letter to Feinstein, the ranking Democrat on the Judiciary Committee, on July 30. There was no reason to sit on this letter and do nothing(aside from political reasons). Ford said she wanted to remain anonymous in her letter. If Feinstein thought Ford’s letter held credibility she could have brought it to the attention of the committee and had it investigated quietly.

She finally sent the letter to the FBI on September 12th. For reasons still unknown she waited that long to send the letter to the FBI. She never showed the letter to the committee during this time. What did she and Kavanaugh go through from July 30th to September 12th? She held a private meeting with Kavanaugh as did 64 other senators. Kavanaugh was under oath for more than 30 hours and submitted more than 1000 written answers to questions. Only after all of this did she decide to send the letter Ford sent her to the FBI in the 11th hour. She could have informed her colleagues before they all interviewed him, before the written answers. If she really cared about this woman why the hell did she sit on this letter until after the entire process was complete with only the vote being left? And then on top of that the day she sent it to the FBI it's mysteriously leaked to the media as well.

Give me a break. This absolutely is a left and right issue. The right wants the seat secured before the house and senate vote in November. The left want it delayed until after. And nobody cares if she wanted to be anonymous and nobody cares if she wants an investigation. Neither side cares about that, and when they do it's only when it suits them.

Which brings me back to what I said... this was a hearing exactly like every other house or senate hearing. It's just a show.

What the actual fuck kind of logic is this

[Bryan_Wilson]

Originally Posted by spreedom

What the actual fuck kind of logic is this

???

Feinstein delayed sending the letter for 6 weeks to the FBI. I don't understand where your lack of understanding on that is.

[spreedom]

Originally Posted by Bryan_Wilson

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Feinstein delayed sending the letter for 6 weeks to the FBI. I don't understand where your lack of understanding on that is.

At the request of the accuser. Her holding the letter back isn't as important as a single one of the certainly dozens, if not hundreds of times Kavanaugh perjured himself. The GOP judicial committee dragging their feet on dismissing him as a candidate is the only reason it's turned into this circus. If there was a single man of dignity on the right half of that committee, we'd have dropped this loser into an active volcano instead of shaming accusers.

[Bryan_Wilson]

Originally Posted by spreedom

At the request of the accuser. Her holding the letter back isn't as important as a single one of the certainly dozens, if not hundreds of times Kavanaugh perjured himself. The GOP judicial committee dragging their feet on dismissing him as a candidate is the only reason it's turned into this circus. If there was a single man of dignity on the right half of that committee, we'd have dropped this loser into an active volcano instead of shaming accusers.

I'm pretty sure her request of confidentiality didn't mean, "hey read my letter and then do nothing with it for 6 weeks to protect me". It should have been immediately given to the committee in a closed session. It should have immediately been sent to the FBI if it was deemed credible. Instead she sat with it for 6 weeks and only when Kavanaugh was done with all the interviews with senators and questions did Feinstein send it to the FBI. I'm sure she could have at least informed the committee of an allegation and withheld the name. Because of this though, an investigation could have started 6 weeks ago and now look where we are. So yes, both parties have handled this situation poorly. If you only think one party has, agree to disagree. Both sides appear to be more interested in the Midterm election coming up in 5 weeks or so than with doing what was right.

[Murphy3]

Originally Posted by Bryan_Wilson

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Feinstein delayed sending the letter for 6 weeks to the FBI. I don't understand where your lack of understanding on that is.

Great posting Bryan... you were definitely on top of the issue.