Mavs seeding

[Dallas41]

Originally Posted by Some Guy

What does that have to do with my question about your quotes? You were clearly talking about Phoenix building a more talented roster than Dallas "in the same amount of time" - but then Bryan_Wilson gave a very good counter argument - and then you claim that you were talking about this season. They didn't build that roster this season.

They still have a better roster and better team doesn't matter if you want to say they were building it 3 years ago or 1 year ago and the end of the day they have a better roster around Ayton and Booker .

This is Luka 3rd year and right now Phoenix is looking like they are setup for the long haul while the Mavs are looking like they are treading water unless some magical big time FA lands here in the summer.

I just know after the playoffs last year the Mavs were being billed as top 4 not the Suns.

They had more hype than Phoenix

We can agree to disagree helluva job by the Suns front office

[Melonhead]

The Suns are at the top of the western conference because the Suns put a bonafide starter talent in Chris Paul with Booker. They also cut the chaff, Oubre, and added Crowder. Mix of drafting obviously but the real jump in standings happened after adding Chris Paul.

Talent trumps all.

[Dallas41]

Originally Posted by Melonhead

The Suns are at the top of the western conference because the Suns put a bonafide starter talent in Chris Paul with Booker. They also cut the chaff, Oubre, and added Crowder. Mix of drafting obviously but the real jump in standings happened after adding Chris Paul.

Talent trumps all.

I can agree with this

which is why I don't understand why the Mavs are so hell bent on system guys as opposed to just talented guys

[Zeus]

Originally Posted by Melonhead

The Suns are at the top of the western conference because the Suns put a bonafide starter talent in Chris Paul with Booker. They also cut the chaff, Oubre, and added Crowder. Mix of drafting obviously but the real jump in standings happened after adding Chris Paul.

Talent trumps all.

Ok so that means we are screwed. Do we see a Chris Paul type player adding an infusion of talent this upcoming offseason?

[Zeus]

Originally Posted by Dallas41

They still have a better roster and better team doesn't matter if you want to say they were building it 3 years ago or 1 year ago and the end of the day they have a better roster around Ayton and Booker .

This is Luka 3rd year and right now Phoenix is looking like they are setup for the long haul while the Mavs are looking like they are treading water unless some magical big time FA lands here in the summer.

I just know after the playoffs last year the Mavs were being billed as top 4 not the Suns.

They had more hype than Phoenix

We can agree to disagree helluva job by the Suns front office

Yes Dallas41 - you are correct. You are applying a Bayesian approach to your thinking. What happened why and when 5 years ago is irrelevant to what the Mavs need to do to get better. We still cant seem to figure out when we do have dry powder or the ability to generate dry powder (shed assets), why the big name, big talent free agents dont seem to want to come here. Bottom line: We were looked at by almost all "experts and fans alike" to be ahead of Phoenix coming into the season. Now that we have new data it is clear we are not. We all knew Phoenix had lots of lotter picks over the past 10 years but now we are using that as the reason. Bottom line #2) It doesn't matter what's the F'n reason or that things happened 5 years ago - if this FO doesn't figure it out over the next 3 years then they don't deserve to keep Luka.

[Dallas41]

Originally Posted by Zeus

Yes Dallas41 - you are correct. You are applying a Bayesian approach to your thinking. What happened why and when 5 years ago is irrelevant to what the Mavs need to do to get better. We still cant seem to figure out when we do have dry powder or the ability to generate dry powder (shed assets), why the big name, big talent free agents dont seem to want to come here. Bottom line: We were looked at by almost all "experts and fans alike" to be ahead of Phoenix coming into the season. Now that we have new data it is clear we are not. We all knew Phoenix had lots of lotter picks over the past 10 years but now we are using that as the reason. Bottom line #2) It doesn't matter what's the F'n reason or that things happened 5 years ago - if this FO doesn't figure it out over the next 3 years then they don't deserve to keep Luka.

The problem is....

Ayton came to Phoenix in the same draft as Luka

That's why I said Ayton and Booker.....

I'm comparing the roster building since Ayton and Booker teamed up. The Suns were better at building the roster around those two and it's not even close.

Their draft decisions were smarter and then they ignored a specific time line unlike the Mavs and went after a quality skilled veteran player to help win now (Paul) regardless if he wouldn't be around when Ayton/Booker hit their prime.

Mavs are so hell bent on specific types of players that a move like that would immediately get shot down by the organization because the specific players they need or want have to fit the Luka time line or either Rick's precious system.

[Zeus]

Originally Posted by Dallas41

The problem is....

Ayton came to Phoenix in the same draft as Luka

That's why I said Ayton and Booker.....

I'm comparing the roster building since Ayton and Booker teamed up. The Suns were better at building the roster around those two and it's not even close.

Their draft decisions were smarter and then they ignored a specific time line unlike the Mavs and went after a quality skilled veteran player to help win now (Paul) regardless if he wouldn't be around when Ayton/Booker hit their prime.

Mavs are so hell bent on specific types of players that a move like that would immediately get shot down by the organization because the specific players they need or want have to fit the Luka time line or either Rick's precious system.

YES!

[FreshJive]

Originally Posted by Dallas41

The problem is....

Ayton came to Phoenix in the same draft as Luka

That's why I said Ayton and Booker.....

I'm comparing the roster building since Ayton and Booker teamed up. The Suns were better at building the roster around those two and it's not even close.

Their draft decisions were smarter and then they ignored a specific time line unlike the Mavs and went after a quality skilled veteran player to help win now (Paul) regardless if he wouldn't be around when Ayton/Booker hit their prime.

Mavs are so hell bent on specific types of players that a move like that would immediately get shot down by the organization because the specific players they need or want have to fit the Luka time line or either Rick's precious system.

What draft pick have the Suns made since Ayton (clear mistake that the Mavs took advantage of) that has made an impact? I can only think of turning the 6th pick into Saric and Johnson. Not terrible, but it’s the 6th pick. The Mavs had to trade their draft picks for Luka and KP.

[Dallas41]

Originally Posted by FreshJive

What draft pick have the Suns made since Ayton (clear mistake that the Mavs took advantage of) that has made an impact? I can only think of turning the 6th pick into Saric and Johnson. Not terrible, but it’s the 6th pick. The Mavs had to trade their draft picks for Luka and KP.

They not only flipped that pick into a solid rotation player but they also flipped Zhaire Smith into Mikal Bridges doing 2018 draft

And guess what the Mavs could have had a two way wing with size just like Bridges this past draft in Bey.

But their scouting department blew it and they blew it big time...

[FreshJive]

Originally Posted by Dallas41

They not only flipped that pick into a solid rotation player but they also flipped Zhaire Smith into Mikal Bridges doing 2018 draft

And guess what the Mavs could have had a two way wing with size just like Bridges this past draft in Bey.

But their scouting department blew it and they blew it big time...

"Since Ayton". You move all the goal posts, and give all the charity to everyone else but the Mavs. KP is your favorite player, but you don't acknowledge what the Mavs had to give up to get him. Chris Paul and Julius Randle no longer became options at that point. Who knew that Julius Randle would become a more efficient 3 point shooter than KP at the time?