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So where does this put Jalen in the starting lineup?
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Not in it.
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02-10-2022, 04:36 PM
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We are fans of such a poorly run organization. Seriously, it's just awful really, from treatment of others to leadership to free agency to trades to everything in between.
Outside of drafting a couple of amazing European beasts over 2 decades, I just don't know how anyone could ever have confidence in this dumpster fire of a front office.
Thank the Lord for Dirk is all I'll say. Maybe Luka proves to be as patient, but sheesh, I have no idea why.
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You have to give credit where credit is due.. they are consistent.
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02-10-2022, 04:38 PM
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02-10-2022, 04:38 PM
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This is my concern. If this sends JB back to the bench, increases chances he is gone. So, hopefully starting lineups remains the same (as the past few games) and SD becomes our 6th man leading the bench.
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I hope this is the case. Let SD run the second unit.
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02-10-2022, 04:39 PM
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lol such a Mavs thing to do after a bad trade. Extending the one guy who I think should have been traded. And still risking Brunson leaving in the offseason.
I mean, hey, at least he won't walk for nothing now.
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02-10-2022, 04:45 PM
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DFS 52/4. 13 mil is right on the money of what most of us had guessed.
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02-10-2022, 04:50 PM
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DFS 52/4. 13 mil is right on the money of what most of us had guessed.
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Should have traded him, but at least the numbers seem okay. They better still get JB back this summer.
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02-10-2022, 04:53 PM
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Why did the Mavericks make this trade with the Wizards?
“Porzingis hampered Dallas' future flexibility as the team clearly desires to revamp its roster around Luka Doncic after nearly three years of stagnation,” writes @tim_cato.
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02-10-2022, 04:56 PM
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Interesting how everyone here hates this trade, while all the talking heads on ESPN love it.
From my perspective, the Mavs got rid of a max player who, so far, seems capable of only minimum minutes. They dumped him for 2 pieces they can either use or trade. The fact that neither is known for defense is irrelevant. Kidd will make them play defense. Mavs won a championship with mediocre defenders Dirk and Jason Terry. The right coaching, in that case Dewayne Casey, can make it work.
As for losing a center, what good is a center who you can't depend on?
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02-10-2022, 04:57 PM
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Should have traded him, but at least the numbers seem okay. They better still get JB back this summer.
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Well now you can trade DFS if need be, so I'm at least happy with a trade asset.
Not happy that Dinwiddie is basically the insurance piece in case Brunson leaves.
The prime of my irritation rests with the fact that Bullock's emergence mean't a starting lineup of Luka/Brunson/Reggie/DFS/KP would have been a monster defensive lineup with just the right amount of offense.
Oh well.
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02-10-2022, 04:58 PM
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This is my concern. If this sends JB back to the bench, increases chances he is gone. So, hopefully starting lineups remains the same (as the past few games) and SD becomes our 6th man leading the bench.
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02-10-2022, 05:01 PM
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Why did the Mavericks make this trade with the Wizards?
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They wouldn't have had to worry about future flexibility if they didn't screw up three FAs in a row...esp 2019. On top of that, two terrible trades of Harrison Barnes and Seth Curry going bye bye. The only shining light is Bullock who you just hope keeps shining like he has lately.
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02-10-2022, 05:11 PM
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Interesting how everyone here hates this trade, while all the talking heads on ESPN love it.
From my perspective, the Mavs got rid of a max player who, so far, seems capable of only minimum minutes. They dumped him for 2 pieces they can either use or trade. The fact that neither is known for defense is irrelevant. Kidd will make them play defense. Mavs won a championship with mediocre defenders Dirk and Jason Terry. The right coaching, in that case Dewayne Casey, can make it work.
As for losing a center, what good is a center who you can't depend on?
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Spencer Dinwiddie’s best games this season:
34 PTS • 9 AST • 6 REB
27 PTS • 9 AST • 5 REB
27 PTS • 7 AST
24 PTS • 11 AST • 7 REB
24 PTS • 6 AST • 11 REB
22 PTS • 3 AST • 3 REB
22 PTS • 10 AST • 3 REB
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I feel like Dinwiddie is the epitome of empty calorie stats. I hope I’m proven wrong but that’s always been my impression. He likes to chuck it. For Jordan Clarkson money off the bench he’s be all right.
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02-10-2022, 05:17 PM
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I hope this is the case. Let SD run the second unit.
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Dinwiddie's ability to create for himself and others will allow Luka to get rest and we won't lose too much while Luka is out. This will do a lot for the bench.
Bertrans is another spot up shooter who will help spread the lanes for Luka to probe through.
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02-10-2022, 05:19 PM
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Interesting how everyone here hates this trade, while all the talking heads on ESPN love it.
From my perspective, the Mavs got rid of a max player who, so far, seems capable of only minimum minutes. They dumped him for 2 pieces they can either use or trade. The fact that neither is known for defense is irrelevant. Kidd will make them play defense. Mavs won a championship with mediocre defenders Dirk and Jason Terry. The right coaching, in that case Dewayne Casey, can make it work.
As for losing a center, what good is a center who you can't depend on?
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No one wants Bertans though. He had an injury and hasn’t been good since. His contract is terrible. He should be a guy that comes in for 15-20 minutes like Doug McDermott. Only he’s making 18m
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02-10-2022, 05:20 PM
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Dinwiddie's ability to create for himself and others will allow Luka to get rest and we won't lose too much while Luka is out. This will do a lot for the bench.
Bertrans is another spot up shooter who will help spread the lanes for Luka to probe through.
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And they are both traffic cones on defense.
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02-10-2022, 05:37 PM
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No one wants Bertans though. He had an injury and hasn’t been good since. His contract is terrible. He should be a guy that comes in for 15-20 minutes like Doug McDermott. Only he’s making 18m
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I have a feeling Bertans is going to turn out to be like Melli
Hopefully, they limit this guy to a few minutes per game and only extend those minutes if he's making shots because defensively you can expect this guy to be a very weak link.
Dinwiddie, I think can help a little being a scorer off the bench.
Let's just hope adding these two guys don't force Kidd into dump ass weak defensive lineups like Powell, Bertans, Dinwiddie and Dragic all on the floor together doing 4-5 minute stretches.
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And they are both traffic cones on defense.
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I stg Nico better be looking for a gd center
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Yeah but who?
I took a look around and only guys I could think of were Horford and Tristian that might become available via buy out options
But I get the feeling they are going to roll with Powell and Kleber with a little bit of Chriss mixed in if one of them gets into foul trouble
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Buy out candidates at Center/PF
Robin Lopez signing with the Magic was puzzling considering they already had Wendell Carter Jr. and Mo Bamba to prioritize. Lopez generally gets DNP-CDs when both are healthy and was a logical trade candidate ahead of the deadline. He can be better utilized on a contender such as the Warriors or Bucks.
Tristan Thompson hasn’t played in a month as he’s buried behind Sacramento’s seven-man center rotation. His inclusion in the Domantas Sabonis trade was solely for salary matching purposes and he will likely be buried in Indiana’s bench as they prioritize their younger big man. It’s possible he could wind up on the open market soon.
Paul Millsap was traded to the Sixers as part of the James Harden-Ben Simmons trade. It’s unclear if he will be in their plans, so it’s worth monitoring his situation.
Brooklyn’s seemingly eight-deep big man rotation turned out to form a very weak frontcourt. They need to waive someone after completing the uneven 3-for-2 trade with the Sixers. Blake Griffin and James Johnson could be candidates given how crowded the end of their front court is.
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Thompson makes some sense.
I still have no idea why the Mavs weren't interested in Harrell. That would have made the Wizards trade a LOT better IMHO.
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02-10-2022, 06:24 PM
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2021-2022
KP - 31.6
Now - 33.1
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Now - 34.0
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KP - 36.0
Now 27.0
Going to be paying a little more the next couple of seasons. 2023-2024 we will have some savings if we waive Dinwiddie (only 10m guaranteed and a sweet trade chip).
That is, if we don't package guys. I think 16-18mill is way more tradable than 36mill
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02-10-2022, 06:31 PM
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https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/n...-on-their-end/
NBA trade grades: Wizards score high for landing Kristaps Porzingis; Mavericks take bigger risk on their end
Wizards trade grade: B+
Mavericks trade grade: C
As for the once-elite-shooting Bertans, an optimist would tell you he's a much better player than he's shown since signing that $80 million deal in 2020, and certainly better than he's been this season at under six points per game and 31 percent from 3 while being glued to the bench most nights.
In Dallas, Bertans should get a lot of catch-and-shoot looks playing off the downhill creation of Luka Doncic. We'll see how much the defense in Dallas falls off if Bertans actually sees real playing time; he's one of the worst defenders in the league.
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Thompson makes some sense.
I still have no idea why the Mavs weren't interested in Harrell. That would have made the Wizards trade a LOT better IMHO.
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Harrell is a hustle guy who stops hustling and becomes unplayable. There's a reason he went from averaging 24mpg to 9mpg in the playoffs.
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02-10-2022, 06:44 PM
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The Mavericks traded for Dinwiddie and Bertans, increasing their chances for a deep playoff run.
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The Mavericks traded for Dinwiddie and Bertans, increasing their chances for a deep playoff run.
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Magic must have forgot you have to play both ends of the floor in the playoffs in order to make deep run.
I can already tell you that Bertans is going to drive me crazy with his pathetic defense so I'm hoping Kidd limits his minutes.
Having said that Mavs do have a good chance to at least win a 1st round series, but I don't expect anything beyond that point.
They just don't matchup very well with Phoenix or Golden St two possible second round opponents
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Someone was mentioning Dinwiddie playing hobbled which wouldn't be good. I'd keep him out if he isn't healthy. Does no good to have another KP if we just traded KP.
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So we let a center go to trade away another center and get nothing close to a center in return.
Sure hope we don’t face Jazz or any other legit center in the first round.
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Kanter got bought out I think? Not saying I’m interested, but he’s a big body.
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Interesting how everyone here hates this trade, while all the talking heads on ESPN love it.
From my perspective, the Mavs got rid of a max player who, so far, seems capable of only minimum minutes. They dumped him for 2 pieces they can either use or trade. The fact that neither is known for defense is irrelevant. Kidd will make them play defense. Mavs won a championship with mediocre defenders Dirk and Jason Terry. The right coaching, in that case Dewayne Casey, can make it work.
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I for one do NOT hate this trade.
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Care to elaborate? I can’t find anything I like about it. Does it give us a smidgeon more flexibility going forward? Maybe? I don’t think anyone will want Bertans without a 1st rd pick attached. Dinwiddie is a high volume but not particularly efficient player coming off an injury. Bertans hasn’t been the same since his injury either. Neither is a very good defender. At least KP can protect the rim and rebound. Also, we have to cut someone. Two players if we sign Dragic or a buyout Center. This trade is absolutely baffling to me.
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02-10-2022, 07:52 PM
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Also, weren’t we possibly getting Dragic for free? He’s about equal to Dinwiddie. Neither is a good shooter from 3, neither very good on defense. What happens with that now?
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I for one do NOT hate this trade.
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Sure it sucks to get so little for Porzingas. They gave up a lot to get him, but with his injuries, we just can't count on him. We may be better off by having hin off the roster, so we aren;t getting disappointed every time his knee aches. We took a gamble that he'd be great again, but so far, he has not been.
The Mavs have been winning without him, and we didn't give up any of the players who are helping us win. I don't think any other team was willing to give us a better deal, considering KP's contract and his health. That we got out from under his contract is a miracle. It is time to move on, so on we go.
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1. Dinwiddie isn't going to replace Brunson in the SLU. Relax. Brunson is too damn good, the chemistry is great ...and I don't think Spence is fully recovered.
2. Bertans isn't going to be getting significant mins. No one should worry about Kidd changing his stripes and not valuing defense in hopes this dude can revive his shooting at the cost of Maxi who plays solid defense. Bertans will be a filler and maybe he provides a spark on occasion. Thinking he will get open looks from Luka probably isn't happening either. I can't imagine them on the floor together very much.
Im not sure why there's such doom and gloom going around. This isn't NBA2k with override CPU on trades.
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Also, weren’t we possibly getting Dragic for free? He’s about equal to Dinwiddie. Neither is a good shooter from 3, neither very good on defense. What happens with that now?
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I dint think Dragic was ever going to be free. You still have to sign him IF he clears waivers. Might even have to compete with Miami for his services and maybe a cpl other teams too.
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Care to elaborate? I can’t find anything I like about it. Does it give us a smidgeon more flexibility going forward? Maybe? I don’t think anyone will want Bertans without a 1st rd pick attached. Dinwiddie is a high volume but not particularly efficient player coming off an injury. Bertans hasn’t been the same since his injury either. Neither is a very good defender. At least KP can protect the rim and rebound. Also, we have to cut someone. Two players if we sign Dragic or a buyout Center. This trade is absolutely baffling to me.
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You have to separate Dinwiddie from Bertans right off the bat. Bertans isn't a good contract. Idk if he will ever get back to form. He won't be playing with Dincic but MAYBE JB OR Dinwiddie and they can both distribute and get him some looks. Best case is he gets good looks in the flow of our offense and revives his shooting %. He's never going to be a defender and thats why I don't think he gets mins here. Honestly I've written him off already. Anything we get good from him is icing.
Dinwiddie is due 18m and then 10m. The optimistic side is that he is recovering from an injury and isn't a huge long and lanky guy like KP. Also, he would be a 6th man who you don't necessarily need to be extremely efficient. You just need production. Going against other 2nd units mostly, you can settle with a lack of defense much like we had with THJ. Except he isn't a chucker in the same fashion THJ is. Hes actually a playmaker and can create. If/when THJ is healthy, THJ, Spencer, Josh, Maxi is a good 2nd unit. If the bottom falls out from under him and he ends up somehow being really bad, which I doubt, you can move him on one way or another.
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Sure it sucks to get so little for Porzingas. They gave up a lot to get him, but with his injuries, we just can't count on him. We may be better off by having hin off the roster, so we aren;t getting disappointed every time his knee aches. We took a gamble that he'd be great again, but so far, he has not been.
The Mavs have been winning without him, and we didn't give up any of the players who are helping us win. I don't think any other team was willing to give us a better deal, considering KP's contract and his health. That we got out from under his contract is a miracle. It is time to move on, so on we go.
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Yup. Plus I think KP wanted out. Yea it appeared he and Luka had better chemistry this season but I think the FO knew he wasn't in love with the Mavs and like you mentioned, I think they also knew his value to other teams pretty well. There's no way they just decided 20 mins to deadline that they'd start shopping him and took the first avail deal. I bet they got turned down by a lot of team that frankly didn't want a max player in designer jeans.
The pic of him in the sandwich shop as he got traded was sad(ish) and funny. Looked like he didn't really care or maybe was actually happy. Idk...just my read.
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Yup. Plus I think KP wanted out. Yea it appeared he and Luka had better chemistry this season but I think the FO knew he wasn't in love with the Mavs and like you mentioned, I think they also knew his value to other teams pretty well. There's no way they just decided 20 mins to deadline that they'd start shopping him and took the first avail deal. I bet they got turned down by a lot of team that frankly didn't want a max player in designer jeans.
The pic of him in the sandwich shop as he got traded was sad(ish) and funny. Looked like he didn't really care or maybe was actually happy. Idk...just my read.
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This.
I think they got a truce at least but it wasn’t a love. The bigger issue was on-court play. KP only had one thing he could do that was even borderline NBA-level and that was an ISO which meant Luka was standing around. Off the pass, KP was one of the lowest efficiency guys in the league, which is not a good complement to the greatest passer currently playing the game.
Even if the two were great friends, you have to shop the second “superstar” and after shopping him for a while, this was the best offer. We traded a turd sandwich for two smaller turd sandwiches that are easy to dump. That’s a win.
If Dinwiddie does anything for us, that’s just gravy.
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This.
I think they got a truce at least but it wasn’t a love. The bigger issue was on-court play. KP only had one thing he could do that was even borderline NBA-level and that was an ISO which meant Luka was standing around. Off the pass, KP was one of the lowest efficiency guys in the league, which is not a good complement to the greatest passer currently playing the game.
Even if the two were great friends, you have to shop the second “superstar” and after shopping him for a while, this was the best offer. We traded a turd sandwich for two smaller turd sandwiches that are easy to dump. That’s a win.
If Dinwiddie does anything for us, that’s just gravy.
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I think Dinwiddie will be solid. For recent example, There were times with JB and Frank tonight where JB for some reason was too passive and put a DFS and Frank in tough positions to make something happen and neither of those guys can put their head down and beat their man 1v1. With Spencer, he can just go get a bucket. He has handles and can penetrate and we need that person who can create offense.
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