02-21-2022, 11:28 AM
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A Look Ahead to the Offseason
With Nico stating trading KP was a step in clearing the way for more flexibility with the Mavs roster, it's clear we’re not looking at the final iteration of the Mavs.
This thread is to discuss our future and various options we will have this offseason.
The cap will be at $121m for 2022-23. The tax level will be $147m. Here is our roster:
Tim Hardaway Jr.
(22-23) $19,602,273
(23-24) $17,897,728
(24-25) $16,193,183
Spencer Dinwiddie
(22-23) $18,000,000
(23-24) $18,857,143
Davis Bertans
(22-23) $16,000,000
(23-24) $17,000,000
(24-25) $16,000,000 [PO]
Dwight Powell
(22-23) $11,080,125
Luka Doncic
(22-23) $35,700,000
(23-24) $38,556,000
(24-25) $41,412,000
(25-26) $44,268,000
Reggie Bullock
(22-23) $10,012,800
(23-24) $10,489,600
Maxi Kleber
(22-23) $9,075,000
Dorian Finney-Smith
(22-23) $13,000,000 (Estimate)
(23-24) $13,000,000 (Estimate)
(24-25) $13,000,000 (Estimate)
(25-26) $13,000,000 (Estimate)
Boban Marjanovic
(22-23) $3,500,000
Trey Burke
(22-23) $3,300,000 (PO)
Sterling Brown
(22-23) $3,000,000
Josh Green
(22-23) $3,098,400
(23-24) $4,765,339 (TO)
(24-25) $6,762,016 (QO)
Jalen Brunson
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Frank Ntilikina
(22-23) $2,036,318
Tyrell Terry
(22-23) $1,782,621 (GUAR)
Marquese Chriss
(22-23) $2,193,920
Theo Pinson
(22-23) $1,576,305 (QO)
FRP
We head into the offseason with 14 on the roster and little over $151m in guaranteed contracts (including Tyrell Terry and assuming Burke opts in, not including Moses Brown whose contract was not guaranteed).
We also have cap holds for Pinson, Brunson, and our first round pick putting us at a cap figure of approximately $156-157m.
Here is how I value the Mavs assets based on production and contract… (anything ‘B’ and above I consider a ‘positive asset’ meaning the Mavs should be able to find a team willing to absorb the player without returning any salary).
Luka – A+
Brunson – A
FRP – B+
Kleber – B+
Bullock – B+
DFS – B
Green – B
Powell – B
Chriss – B
S. Brown – B
Burke – B-
Ntlikina – B-
Boban – B-
THJ – C+
Bertans – C
Dinwiddie – C-
Powell, Kleber, Boban, Burke, Ntlikina, Chriss, and Green (TO) are all on team-friendly expiring deals.
I believe Bertans and Dinwiddie are unmovable barring attaching an asset that the Mavs can’t afford to give up. Therefore, we will keep them. I believe Luka is untouchable. I believe DFS and Boban are untouchable because of their relationship with Luka.
IMO the Mavs best chance at making a meaningful improvement is swinging for the fences. Use our expiring contracts, FRP, and Brunson in a S&T (as we have his Bird rights) and get someone like Lillard, Beal, Ayton, or Donovan Mitchell.
After that, depending on who's shipped out, I'd use our MLE to fill out the roster.
I'll follow this up with a look at who might be available in free agency/ the trade market.
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02-21-2022, 12:08 PM
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I wouldn't get your hopes up too much for free agency. We're over the cap with or without Brunson. If we re-sign Brunson, we'll be over the CAP and the TAX threshold.
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02-21-2022, 01:09 PM
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And signing and trading Brunson for said players like an Ayton would put us even more into cap hell because of their salaries. Ayton wants the max.
There is no real path to not re-signing Brunson. Sign him and trade him later if need be. There is no cap space relief by not keeping him.
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02-21-2022, 02:11 PM
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So Brunson, expiring contracts for bench guys, and a FRP (which we can’t trade from my understanding) is going to net us an all star like Lilliard or Mitchell? Sign me up!
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02-21-2022, 02:27 PM
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Originally Posted by BPo001
So Brunson, expiring contracts for bench guys, and a FRP (which we can’t trade from my understanding) is going to net us an all star like Lilliard or Mitchell? Sign me up!
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We can trade picks.
FRPs
2022 - cannot be traded until June 23rd, but we can trade it on draft day which is before free agency. We can even allow the other team to choose who we pick before it is conferred. However, it looks like it will be in the 19-24 range which is not super valuable unless someone amazing falls.
2025 - no restrictions
2027 - no restrictions
2028 - no restrictions (except trading consecutive years)
SRPs
we have all SRPs except for 2022 which was traded (31-45 protected) in the KP trade. Right now the pick is #51 so it would confer and the trade would be complete. If we dropped out of the playoffs and got a 31-45 pick, we would keep it and have no future obligations to the Wizards.
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02-21-2022, 02:47 PM
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Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky
I wouldn't get your hopes up too much for free agency. We're over the cap with or without Brunson. If we re-sign Brunson, we'll be over the CAP and the TAX threshold.
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Even if we had all the cap room in the world, it's still Dallas. I think history has proven time and again that there are only 2-3 cities that free agents are interested in, and Dallas isn't one of them.
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02-21-2022, 03:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Thespiralgoeson
Even if we had all the cap room in the world, it's still Dallas. I think history has proven time and again that there are only 2-3 cities that free agents are interested in, and Dallas isn't one of them.
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That is part of it, but having a previous GM/FO that sat flat on their asses when the 2019 FA started also didn't help. There were plenty of FAs that would have chosen us had they understood the market and what players cost.
I'll sing from the mountain tops that 2019 was the FA that destroyed the ability to put real talent around Luka.
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02-21-2022, 03:27 PM
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FRP - are we keeping it?
Tankathon has us taking Jaden Hardy or Marjon Beauchamp - G league shooting guard types as of now. Slot 21.
We have to sign Brunson - either keep and play him or use in a trade. can't afford to let him walk for nothing. Assuming he stays, then the other place to upgrade would be our bigs. Are there any bigs worth taking around where we're at?
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02-21-2022, 03:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Thespiralgoeson
Even if we had all the cap room in the world, it's still Dallas. I think history has proven time and again that there are only 2-3 cities that free agents are interested in, and Dallas isn't one of them.
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This I have to agree with....
There's two things I don't trust the Mavs with based on history
1st round picks and Cap space
I will never get excited again on those two opportunities until the Mavs prove otherwise
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02-21-2022, 06:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Dallas41
This I have to agree with....
There's two things I don't trust the Mavs with based on history
1st round picks and Cap space
I will never get excited again on those two opportunities until the Mavs prove otherwise
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I blame this on Donnie and to a lesser extent Carlisle. Jury's still out on Nico, but at least there's some hope.
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02-21-2022, 06:13 PM
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Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart
That is part of it, but having a previous GM/FO that sat flat on their asses when the 2019 FA started also didn't help. There were plenty of FAs that would have chosen us had they understood the market and what players cost.
I'll sing from the mountain tops that 2019 was the FA that destroyed the ability to put real talent around Luka.
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My memory isn't so good. Who was available that season?
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02-21-2022, 06:51 PM
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My memory isn't so good. Who was available that season?
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https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2019/06/...s-of-2019.html
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02-21-2022, 07:47 PM
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Did we still have cap room after re-signing KP? Because that was the big "free agent" signing of that season.
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02-21-2022, 09:55 PM
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Did we still have cap room after re-signing KP? Because that was the big "free agent" signing of that season.
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They had the money to go after Kemba, so they could have signed anybody. I wanted them to go after Vuc. The Mavs went hard after Delon and Danny Green.
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02-21-2022, 10:16 PM
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They had the money to go after Kemba, so they could have signed anybody. I wanted them to go after Vuc. The Mavs went hard after Delon and Danny Green.
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I think we dodged a bullet with Kemba. Vuc would have been nice tho. Obv Delon didn’t work out here.
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02-22-2022, 11:05 AM
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Part of the failure of 2019 FA was not gaining any assets. In fact, if I’m not mistaken we had to pay two picks to get off Delon and had cap space go unused. GS turned Russell into Kuminga and Wiggins. Orlando turned Vuc into Fritz Wagner and Wendell Carter jr.
Good FO plan a move or two ahead. Miami freed up their ability to trade future firsts with their trade with OKC. They have Herro, Robinson and two 1sts if a star shakes loose.
The hope has to be that the KP trade signals a MBT paradigm shift. Of course there is no guarantee they will be able to execute the big trade. But we are hopefully setting up to be in position for the opportunity should it arise.
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03-02-2022, 10:02 AM
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Need to update my asset grades, so far Dinwiddie has played himself into being tradeable.
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03-02-2022, 01:04 PM
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Need to update my asset grades, so far Dinwiddie has played himself into being tradeable.
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I'm not interested in moving him personally. At least as of r n.
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03-02-2022, 01:18 PM
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I'm not interested in moving him personally. At least as of r n.
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Yeah no way you move him. We're starting to see Dinwiddie of old now that he's recovered from ACL. He is a necessity to this team.
One of Bertans/THJ have to be traded in the offseason. I think we'll see some offloading of guys like Frank, even though I like him.
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03-02-2022, 02:29 PM
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Gotta move THJ, but it might cost you a pick to do it. Just can't see where he fits on this team.
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03-08-2022, 02:40 PM
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Big question: with Dinwiddie playing out of his mind, do we consider moving Brunson this offseason?
Obviously having three combo-guards is a huge benefit so we can always have two on the floor and we have backup like last night when Brunson was out.
Also obviously, you have to either re-sign or sign-and-trade Brunson
But if a deal opens up for a center like Mitchel Robinson, do you pull the trigger?
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03-08-2022, 02:56 PM
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Move THJ and Bertans...we just need a better Powell type down low to be a contender
I think someone like Whiteside would be decent.
I want Brunson to stay.
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03-08-2022, 03:23 PM
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The Knicks and Mavs align well for that SNT scenario. Both their assets are UFA. Does Robinson provide enough interior defense to bang with Gobert, Jokic, and Ayton? He seems to be perfect to provide rebounding, shot blocking, and rim running. Just curious how he holds up against other big centers.
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03-08-2022, 03:37 PM
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I want Brunson to stay, but Mitchell and a pick from NY for him isn't the worst move and makes some sense. Main issue with that is how much Robinson wants long term.
But keep in mind that Brunson, Spencer, and Luka take the pressure off of each other. Now Luka can take a game off or Jalen or Spencer without the team falling apart. That is crucial to the long term well-being of the team.
And big men just don't hold the same value as a talented guard in today's league.
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03-08-2022, 04:08 PM
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I would def consider a move up the 2022 draft (something like Brunson + our 1st for the Knicks 1st).
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03-08-2022, 04:46 PM
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I would def consider a move up the 2022 draft (something like Brunson + our 1st for the Knicks 1st).
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An intriguing idea, for sure. It's not a deep draft, but you could get an impact player in the top 10.
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03-08-2022, 05:43 PM
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An intriguing idea, for sure. It's not a deep draft, but you could get an impact player in the top 10.
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would like to keep brunson if possible - i think he continues to grow
def need an upgrade at the big position
draft doesn't it's overflowing with athletic big possibilities. where we're sitting at in the draft as of now (around 24?) i'd look at EJ Liddell... only 6'7" but i wonder if he's strong enough to not get pushed around down low yet athletic enough to keep up if guarding the perimeter. he's put up good numbers against some tough competition including guys like Banchero and Murray who are slated to go in the top 10.
good shooter for a big with 38% from 3 on about 4 attempts/game, 76% on FT, and 2.6 blocks/game.
i know it's a reach but wouldn't it be amazing to find a young Draymond Green starter kit?
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03-08-2022, 06:18 PM
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would like to keep brunson if possible - i think he continues to grow
def need an upgrade at the big position
draft doesn't it's overflowing with athletic big possibilities. where we're sitting at in the draft as of now (around 24?) i'd look at EJ Liddell... only 6'7" but i wonder if he's strong enough to not get pushed around down low yet athletic enough to keep up if guarding the perimeter. he's put up good numbers against some tough competition including guys like Banchero and Murray who are slated to go in the top 10.
good shooter for a big with 38% from 3 on about 4 attempts/game, 76% on FT, and 2.6 blocks/game.
i know it's a reach but wouldn't it be amazing to find a young Draymond Green starter kit?
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An almost 9' standing reach and 7' wingspan to go with his weight and frame should be enough to provide some front court versatility. I think he could hold it down, at worst as a backup in rotation with upside.
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03-08-2022, 09:03 PM
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It would be very hard to sign and trade Brunson due to base year compensation issues. And I really don't want to either.
Maybe on draft day combine our 1st with THJ or Bertans and get another body for the center rotation?
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03-08-2022, 10:51 PM
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Originally Posted by MFFL
It would be very hard to sign and trade Brunson due to base year compensation issues. And I really don't want to either.
Maybe on draft day combine our 1st with THJ or Bertans and get another body for the center rotation?
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i'd rather keep the first and roll the dice on a young big from the draft... sucks cuz we do need to get rid of one of them and you're absolutely right that trading a first rounder might be the only way to get out from under one of those contracts. I'd rather it be a future first rounder though... we need young talent to grow and develop now. Hopefully Green continues to make strides and adding a young talented big to develop would be ideal to give more time to grow and gel.
and at this point i'd rather keep Bertans - at least he knows his role and he'd greatly contribute to a new era of showtime, run and gun Mavs. Can't wait to see more of him leading the fast break!
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03-09-2022, 12:54 PM
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anyone seen oscar tshiebwe from kentucky?
6'9", 260#, 9'1" standing reach, 7'4" wingspan
not a shooter from outside, but geez that rebounding looks sexy...
and 3.4 blocks/steals per game not bad...
maybe a bit stiff in terms of guarding the outside, but wouldn't it be nice to have an above average rebounding big?
Points 17.3
Rebounds 15.3
Blocks 1.5
Steals 1.9
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03-09-2022, 02:40 PM
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anyone seen oscar tshiebwe from kentucky?
6'9", 260#, 9'1" standing reach, 7'4" wingspan
not a shooter from outside, but geez that rebounding looks sexy...
and 3.4 blocks/steals per game not bad...
maybe a bit stiff in terms of guarding the outside, but wouldn't it be nice to have an above average rebounding big?
Points 17.3
Rebounds 15.3
Blocks 1.5
Steals 1.9
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That is the only thing I'm asking for this offseason other than just keeping Brunson and maybe dumping THJ.
Either trade the pick for a Mitchel Robinson type or draft a defensive/rebounding Powell. Should be 3-4 guys like that at 21.
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03-09-2022, 03:16 PM
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anyone seen oscar tshiebwe from kentucky?
6'9", 260#, 9'1" standing reach, 7'4" wingspan
not a shooter from outside, but geez that rebounding looks sexy...
and 3.4 blocks/steals per game not bad...
maybe a bit stiff in terms of guarding the outside, but wouldn't it be nice to have an above average rebounding big?
Points 17.3
Rebounds 15.3
Blocks 1.5
Steals 1.9
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Really like him as a prospect, but I'd think he'd be off the board by the time we pick. Should be named SEC POTY.
Edit: looks like SEC coaches gave him the nod. Sporting News made him their National POTY. He's skilled enough to be a lottery pick.
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03-09-2022, 07:05 PM
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Really like him as a prospect, but I'd think he'd be off the board by the time we pick. Should be named SEC POTY.
Edit: looks like SEC coaches gave him the nod. Sporting News made him their National POTY. He's skilled enough to be a lottery pick.
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oh damn...
he's listed at 46 on tankathon's big board... maybe i need a better predraft site lol.
i mean pulling down 20 boards against Duke in game 1 this season is damn impressive. He looks like one of those guys that just finds the ball somehow. no less than 7 boards in a game this season and 25 double doubles. five 20 rebound games including 28! in a game.
He's bigger than Liddell but EJ is a much better shooter. Oscar may be elite in rebounding though...
hope we get someone along the likes of this who we can develop as our main big
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