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If Powell doesn’t choke we win or go to OT
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04-23-2022, 06:18 PM
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Gotta get a better shot than that.
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04-23-2022, 06:18 PM
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Played 8 on 5 and only lost by 1
So there’s that
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04-23-2022, 06:20 PM
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04-23-2022, 06:20 PM
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God fucking damnit. So close
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04-23-2022, 06:20 PM
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Bad final possession. Luka waited too long. Almost would have like JB try to drive baseline as he brought it up, but understand the play had to go through Luka. Back to Dallas all tied up.
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04-23-2022, 06:21 PM
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There was 0 reason to not advance the ball there and try for a better shot even if it’s
5 seconds left. Kidd blew the other timeout early and made an awful decision there. For all the praise he gets, he needs criticism for that gaffe.
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04-23-2022, 06:21 PM
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Fuck Gobert, and fuck those trash refs.
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04-23-2022, 06:23 PM
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Fuck Powell
I just don't understand the love fest for this guy.
He got bullied last year by the Clippers they played his ass off the floor.
He's a traffic cone at the rim on defense and he's not catching lobs he basically useless on offense.
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04-23-2022, 06:24 PM
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Fuck Gobert, and fuck those trash refs.
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Gobert did all he could to keep the Mavs in the game with all those missed free throws. The mavs played like shit in the 4th quarter and if they were even average that quarter, it doesn’t come down to a Powell choke job
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04-23-2022, 06:24 PM
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Fuck the Jazz and fuck the Refs and fuck the NBA
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LOL
You can't blame the refs for Powell missing both FT's
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04-23-2022, 06:24 PM
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Tough loss, but I mean it was by 1 point against a highly motivated to beat us team. We are still the better team by a good margin IMO.
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04-23-2022, 06:25 PM
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Mavs had every opportunity to pull away early in that 4th quarter. The shots stopped falling for that time.
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04-23-2022, 06:29 PM
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LOL
You can't blame the refs for Powell missing both FT's
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And you can’t read
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04-23-2022, 06:29 PM
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Gobert did all he could to keep the Mavs in the game with all those missed free throws. The mavs played like shit in the 4th quarter and if they were even average that quarter, it doesn’t come down to a Powell choke job
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Yeah I don't get all this ref hate.
The FT's were about even and TBH with the game in Utah you'd usually see the Jazz have a huge FT disparity.
BUt they called fouls both ways.....
Bottom line is Gobert killed the Mavs on the boards. Yes he's big and strong but if you go back and watch that 4th Qtr some of those rebounds were because Powell was not looking to box out. He was out of position often and the 1st thing you teach a big is to locate his man and box out.
If dude grabs just 2 defensive rebounds in that QTR the Mavs win
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04-23-2022, 06:29 PM
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I mean, the glass wayyy half full is Luka is still giving us 30/10 at like 65%.
I get tired of complaining about the refs and Powell all the time. I feel nothing will ever change with them, so why bother?
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04-23-2022, 06:29 PM
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42 to 23 free throw advantage for Utah
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04-23-2022, 06:30 PM
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Kidd looks silly explaining why he didn’t advance the ball. You always advance there so you have more time to setup a good shot. By the time Luca crossed over, there was very little time to get it over to Spence. Just a brutal decision and last possession. That’s on Kidd
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04-23-2022, 06:30 PM
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Fuck Powell
I just don't understand the love fest for this guy.
He got bullied last year by the Clippers they played his ass off the floor.
He's a traffic cone at the rim on defense and he's not catching lobs he basically useless on offense.
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Would you rather they play Boban? We are limited on bigs.
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04-23-2022, 06:32 PM
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Yeah I don't get all this ref hate.
The FT's were about even and TBH with the game in Utah you'd usually see the Jazz have a huge FT disparity.
BUt they called fouls both ways.....
Bottom line is Gobert killed the Mavs on the boards. Yes he's big and strong but if you go back and watch that 4th Qtr some of those rebounds were because Powell was not looking to box out. He was out of position often and the 1st thing you teach a big is to locate his man and box out.
If dude grabs just 2 defensive rebounds in that QTR the Mavs win
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42 to 23 is even?? They almost doubled us in FT attempts.
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04-23-2022, 06:33 PM
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Yeah I don't get all this ref hate.
The FT's were about even and TBH with the game in Utah you'd usually see the Jazz have a huge FT disparity.
BUt they called fouls both ways.....
Bottom line is Gobert killed the Mavs on the boards. Yes he's big and strong but if you go back and watch that 4th Qtr some of those rebounds were because Powell was not looking to box out. He was out of position often and the 1st thing you teach a big is to locate his man and box out.
If dude grabs just 2 defensive rebounds in that QTR the Mavs win
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I don’t think the refs were that bad outside of missing a few over the backs and elbow shots by Gobert. Most of the fouls today were pretty legit and intentional. Especially against Gobert in the 4th. The Mavs have to find a way to put a body on him when the shots go up. It’s too easy for Gobert playing against a smurf team like the Mavs.
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04-23-2022, 06:34 PM
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Tough loss, but I mean it was by 1 point against a highly motivated to beat us team. We are still the better team by a good margin IMO.
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None of that matters though because most of us felt like they would close out the Clippers last year.
IT seems like FT shooting and Defensive rebounding all year has been this teams Achilles heel.
Dinwiddie choked away game 1 with all his missed FT's in that 4th Qtr
I guess it's cool that series is tied at 2-2 but I'm not going to say the Mavs will win because they are clearly better because this team still leaves you some doubt about their ability to close out in playoff games.
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04-23-2022, 06:35 PM
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Would you rather they play Boban? We are limited on bigs.
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Refs fouled Kleber out too.
Powell was literally the only big you have other than Boban and Bertans and neither of them move the needle
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04-23-2022, 06:37 PM
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42 to 23 is even?? They almost doubled us in FT attempts.
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That # went up significantly after the Mavs decided to intentionally hack a Gobert in the 4th QTR though
It wasn't like Mitchell and BOG's were the guys getting to the FT line in that 4th Qtr
It was the Mavs strategy to make Rudy beat them on FT's if he got the offensive rebound which of course he did every damn possession it seemed like.
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Three game series and we have HCA
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04-23-2022, 06:39 PM
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Would you rather they play Boban? We are limited on bigs.
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OF course we are limited and it just happens to be that he's the weakest defensive rebounder of the few bigs we do have.
My issue with him is that he just doesn't box out well enough. Yes we can it's Gobert but this is a issue with Powell even vs lesser centers.
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04-23-2022, 06:41 PM
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Man, I know losing sucks, but I'm kinda surprised how fans are taking this. I mean, Dallas41 especially since we both said this was going 7 games.
It's going 7. I stand by that.
Monday gonna rock!
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04-23-2022, 06:45 PM
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Bad final possession. Luka waited too long. Almost would have like JB try to drive baseline as he brought it up, but understand the play had to go through Luka. Back to Dallas all tied up.
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Maybe it's just me but it seems like DFS and Bullock were both starting to heat up and then they got no more shots.
I'm actually shocked the play wasn't designed to wait for Utah to double team Luka and then quickly move it to either Bullock or DFS
I know Dinwiddie has made tough shots in the regular season but he's struggled a lot in the playoffs to make shots.
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04-23-2022, 06:46 PM
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Man, I know losing sucks, but I'm kinda surprised how fans are taking this. I mean, Dallas41 especially since we both said this was going 7 games.
It's going 7. I stand by that.
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Most of us hate Dwight Powell and think he’s a scrub and the fact that he was a large part of this loss, people are going to pile on even more. Regardless of the early predictions, Dallas should be closing out the series Monday and now they have to go back to Utah.
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Most of us hate Dwight Powell and think he’s a scrub and the fact that he was a large part of this loss, people are going to pile on even more. Regardless of the early predictions, Dallas should be closing out the series Monday and now they have to go back to Utah.
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I've been calling to get rid of Powell for three years now, but it's like the refs, ranting about it won't change a thing.
And we have to play the cards we have. Our center position is weak. It is what it is.
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Man, I know losing sucks, but I'm kinda surprised how fans are taking this. I mean, Dallas41 especially since we both said this was going 7 games.
It's going 7. I stand by that.
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Yes we did but I just hate to see games like this slip away from them
IMO both games 1 and 4 the Mavs did in themselves with late game FT shooting
I'm hoping they can win this in 6 now because I don't trust a few guys to show up in a crucial game 7.
Those two series vs the Clippers is why I'm nervous because the Mavs were tied 2-2 the 1st time and up 2-0 the second time in those series.
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Maybe it's just me but it seems like DFS and Bullock were both starting to heat up and then they got no more shots.
I'm actually shocked the play wasn't designed to wait for Utah to double team Luka and then quickly move it to either Bullock or DFS
I know Dinwiddie has made tough shots in the regular season but he's struggled a lot in the playoffs to make shots.
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Agreed. Spencer has been awful so far outside of one big shot in game 3. He’s shooting around 31% in the playoffs. Not going to get the job done. As much as we hate KP, he would of helped in this series a bit if Spencer is going to play this bad.
It’s hard to make that kind of call though when you have to account for full court pressure with 10 seconds left. Kidd did them no favors on that final possession. I don’t even want to think about another first round disappointment. Onto game 5
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04-23-2022, 07:05 PM
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Yeah I don't get all this ref hate.
The FT's were about even and TBH with the game in Utah you'd usually see the Jazz have a huge FT disparity.
BUt they called fouls both ways.....
Bottom line is Gobert killed the Mavs on the boards. Yes he's big and strong but if you go back and watch that 4th Qtr some of those rebounds were because Powell was not looking to box out. He was out of position often and the 1st thing you teach a big is to locate his man and box out.
If dude grabs just 2 defensive rebounds in that QTR the Mavs win
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Free throws were about even? Wtf? 42 - 23 so if you mean we had half as many then yes, about even.
When you actually go back and watch the 4th quarter and you'll see Maxi face planting back down to earth. Powell didn't come back in until 5:35. Then he immediatelywent back out for Maxi who was 5 feet behind the line anytime he got the ball and not ready to shoot. Maxi fouled out at 4:19. So Powell played maybe 5 mins in the 4th.
- He boxed out well at 3:42 and wasn't credited with a rebound because Gobert smashed Luka in the face and somehow got called for a foul.
- Powell finishes a tough lob after that.
-At 2:36 he gets hit in the face and gets called for a foul.
- 2:08 Luka straps the ball clean from Gobert and takes an elbow /forearm to the face. No way that's a jump ball.
-1:43 Powell gets an offensive rebound and fouled. Hits 2 free throws.
-:57 seconds Powell gets a defensive rebound after being in perfect position to help against Mitchell driving.
-:31 seconds he stops Mitchell from scoring at the rim and gets hit in the head. Luka fouls and 1.
-:19 seconds Powell makes a good cut and catch then misses 2 free throws.
-:11 seconds DFS fails to switch to Gobert and Luka has no time to slide over on the pNr defense and Gobert gets a free lob finish. Powell executed his assignment.
Powell had 11p 7 rebs. 2 rebs in the 4th so idk what you think you saw. Just say you're mad that DP missed those 2 free throws.
Meanwhile Maxi had 3pts and 6rbs and fouled out.
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I don’t think the refs were that bad outside of missing a few over the backs and elbow shots by Gobert. Most of the fouls today were pretty legit and intentional. Especially against Gobert in the 4th. The Mavs have to find a way to put a body on him when the shots go up. It’s too easy for Gobert playing against a smurf team like the Mavs.
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Man, 3 of Maxi fouls were phantom. It's the playoffs and there were ridiculous ones called on him.
You just said "I don't think they were that bad outside of a few over the backs and elbow shots by Gobert." By your own estimation that's 4 or 5 fouls alone. If you're being sarcastic and I missed it, my bad but they all matter. When refs miss 5-8 fouls that makes a big difference.
I'm not saying the refs were the biggest reason we lost. Shit happens, but let's be real here the missed calls and phantom calls should have be noticeable to everyone outside Utah.
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Free throws were about even? Wtf? 42 - 23 so if you mean we had half as many then yes, about even.
When you actually go back and watch the 4th quarter and you'll see Maxi face planting back down to earth. Powell didn't come back in until 5:35. Then he immediatelywent back out for Maxi who was 5 feet behind the line anytime he got the ball and not ready to shoot. Maxi fouled out at 4:19. So Powell played maybe 5 mins in the 4th.
- He boxed out well at 3:42 and wasn't credited with a rebound because Gobert smashed Luka in the face and somehow got called for a foul.
- Powell finishes a tough lob after that.
-At 2:36 he gets hit in the face and gets called for a foul.
- 2:08 Luka straps the ball clean from Gobert and takes an elbow /forearm to the face. No way that's a jump ball.
-1:43 Powell gets an offensive rebound and fouled. Hits 2 free throws.
-:57 seconds Powell gets a defensive rebound after being in perfect position to help against Mitchell driving.
-:31 seconds he stops Mitchell from scoring at the rim and gets hit in the head. Luka fouls and 1.
-:19 seconds Powell makes a good cut and catch then misses 2 free throws.
-:11 seconds DFS fails to switch to Gobert and Luka has no time to slide over on the pNr defense and Gobert gets a free lob finish. Powell executed his assignment.
Powell had 11p 7 rebs. 2 rebs in the 4th so idk what you think you saw. Just say you're mad that DP missed those 2 free throws.
Meanwhile Maxi had 3pts and 6rbs and fouled out.
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Of those 42 FT's Rudy shot 18 of them most were from intentional fouls on him
Powell sucks plain and simple (Those lobs are less available in the playoffs)
The dude misses tons of defensive box out opportunities. Sure he might know his assignments but he's a terrible big man and can't be relied upon especially in late game situations to grab one key defensive rebound. Yes he plays hard and hustles but so does Josh Green. In fact despite Green being only 6'6 I honestly believe he would grab more rebounds in traffic late in games than Powell would on defense.
We've all seen Powell pull the same crap vs Zubac in previous post seasons getting bullied on the boards.
Maxi does have his issues at times but he isn't as irritant at Powell when it comes to defensive rebounding. But Maxi is usually out on the perimeter being asked to defend wing players much more than Powell.
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Man, 3 of Maxi fouls were phantom. It's the playoffs and there were ridiculous ones called on him.
You just said "I don't think they were that bad outside of a few over the backs and elbow shots by Gobert." By your own estimation that's 4 or 5 fouls alone. If you're being sarcastic and I missed it, my bad but they all matter. When refs miss 5-8 fouls that makes a big difference.
I'm not saying the refs were the biggest reason we lost. Shit happens, but let's be real here the missed calls and phantom calls should have be noticeable to everyone outside Utah.
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Actually, it wasn’t sarcasm but that’s just little faith I have in refs when you play in an opposing arena. You expect that many so I figured they could be even worse. I think they were much worse in game 3 though.
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This is MMB and I agree 100% with his recap
Too much Luka Doncic down the stretch
If you watched this game like I did (in a straightjacket) you might have been screaming at Doncic down the stretch when he attacked Rudy Gobert and took difficult shots when he could’ve passed. And yes, he did hit a huge three to give Dallas a four point lead, but he also fouled Mitchell on an and one to give the lead right back. We’re all huge Doncic fans here, but he tried too do too much and it cost Dallas in a big way.
Maxi Kleber’s fouls changed the game and the rotation
The three bad fouls Kleber picked up in the first quarter resulted in so many downhill problems it’s hard to know where to start. For one, it meant more Dwight Powell who played 24 minutes. He might’ve played more anyway with Doncic back, but Powell got worked on rebounds and defense despite how hard he tried.
Kleber has to play smarter and better, he’s too important to the team.
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Of those 42 FT's Rudy shot 18 of them most were from intentional fouls on him
Powell sucks plain and simple (Those lobs are less available in the playoffs)
The dude misses tons of defensive box out opportunities. Sure he might know his assignments but he's a terrible big man and can't be relied upon especially in late game situations to grab one key defensive rebound. Yes he plays hard and hustles but so does Josh Green. In fact despite Green being only 6'6 I honestly believe he would grab more rebounds in traffic late in games than Powell would on defense.
We've all seen Powell pull the same crap vs Zubac in previous post seasons getting bullied on the boards.
Maxi does have his issues at times but he isn't as irritant at Powell when it comes to defensive rebounding. But Maxi is usually out on the perimeter being asked to defend wing players much more than Powell.
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I'm not championing Powell as a great big man. I'm saying you rattled off a lot of stuff about the 4th quarter that wasn't true. I just broke the whole thing down as I re watched it. Go back and really rewatch it. DP played his ass off. He's 4 inches shorter than Gobert and more importantly his wingspan is 9 inches less. Gobert is a fvcking monster and there's no way around it. When Powell has to step up on a switch or help on a drive there's no way anyone can do anything about Gobert getting boards if the ball is headed anywhere near him.
Yea it sucked really bad that he missed free throws.
Blame the FO for not pursuing an actual big.
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This is MMB and I agree 100% with his recap
Too much Luka Doncic down the stretch
If you watched this game like I did (in a straightjacket) you might have been screaming at Doncic down the stretch when he attacked Rudy Gobert and took difficult shots when he could’ve passed. And yes, he did hit a huge three to give Dallas a four point lead, but he also fouled Mitchell on an and one to give the lead right back. We’re all huge Doncic fans here, but he tried too do too much and it cost Dallas in a big way.
Maxi Kleber’s fouls changed the game and the rotation
The three bad fouls Kleber picked up in the first quarter resulted in so many downhill problems it’s hard to know where to start. For one, it meant more Dwight Powell who played 24 minutes. He might’ve played more anyway with Doncic back, but Powell got worked on rebounds and defense despite how hard he tried.
Kleber has to play smarter and better, he’s too important to the team.
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Kleber has been garbage for a while this season. He had 2 games this series where he shocked everyone and started contributing. When things don't go his way, he falls apart in all facets of the game. Is he important? Yes because we are desperate.
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Yeah, if you want to blame someone, then Luka certainly deserves some of it.
But still, we held them to 40% fg and 28% from three and lost the rebounding by 3.
What we tend to do is let the other team kill us in one area for some odd reason every game. This one was FTs. Can't just let an entire category off the hook.
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