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Nah, teams will run circles around that poorly constructed roster. KAT and Gobert will get roasted by smaller lineups and played off the court. That team will be terrible defensively.
I disagree. You can go small but you still have to have talent and if teams wanted to stick Draymon Green or Gobert or KAT.....I'd take Minnie's guys.
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Exactly my thoughts.

I like signing McGee, and likely Dragic, for roles that will hopefully be filled by Bingham and Hardy eventually.

Probably too optimistic about Hardy, but I feel he is the one guy on this team that could eventually make us forget about losing Brunson.
My issue with McGee and Dragic is their age. This team should be looking to get more athletic and younger. With limited money you can't really be picky but I'd prefer if those guys were younger and playing for contracts.
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My issue with McGee and Dragic is their age. This team should be looking to get more athletic and younger. With limited money you can't really be picky but I'd prefer if those guys were younger and playing for contracts.
But that's just it, we have Hardy and Bingham to develop.
Dragic and McGee are almost perfect stopgaps for those two.

Now I would have preferred McGee on a 1 or 2 year deal, but he'll be a tradable expiring in 2 years and hopefully Bingham will have already moved ahead of him in the rotation by then.

I'd prefer Dragic on a 1 year min deal only and hoping Kidd will give Hardy a good look in the rotation this season.

Mavs should be looking for a Powel/Green for a rotation caliber wing type of deal right now imo.
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I wonder if the Warriors even would have let him play that much if Thompson hadn't been out that entire year, though. It's a weird conundrum. If you want to win, you have to play your vets. If you do, you don't develop your young guys.

Same thing happened with Dirk. He came in and only put up 8pts, 3reb on 41% and 21% from three. If he was playing behind vets, he might never have developed but they just let him keep playing and now he's a HoFer.

That's kind of why I want the Mavs to just grab Dragic and be done. At some point, Dragic will have a sore back and we will need Hardy to come in and that could be his shot.

And this rings true if we had kept Brunson, but that position is wide open now.

And yes, I'm all for Dragic. Guess they are hoping something better lands for them? Who knows.
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But that's just it, we have Hardy and Bingham to develop.
Dragic and McGee are almost perfect stopgaps for those two.

Now I would have preferred McGee on a 1 or 2 year deal, but he'll be a tradable expiring in 2 years and hopefully Bingham will have already moved ahead of him in the rotation by then.

I'd prefer Dragic on a 1 year min deal only and hoping Kidd will give Hardy a good look in the rotation this season.

Mavs should be looking for a Powel/Green for a rotation caliber wing type of deal right now imo.
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Yeah, our money didn't matter as long as the Knicks offer was decent. I'm convinced 5/125 doesn't change anything. Maybe 27-30 mil does, but do you want him at that point when it's only about the money?
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Really so weird to me I still can?t wrap my head around Jalen walking away 4 weeks after going to the western conference finals. This team was close and he was a big component of that
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But that's just it, we have Hardy and Bingham to develop.
Dragic and McGee are almost perfect stopgaps for those two.

Now I would have preferred McGee on a 1 or 2 year deal, but he'll be a tradable expiring in 2 years and hopefully Bingham will have already moved ahead of him in the rotation by then.

I'd prefer Dragic on a 1 year min deal only and hoping Kidd will give Hardy a good look in the rotation this season.

Mavs should be looking for a Powel/Green for a rotation caliber wing type of deal right now imo.
With all due respect to those guys....I'm not expecting those guys to be anything more than coaches decision players if they are on the active roster. I'd love for them to develop though. But the guys I had in mind were veteran young guys....like a Divincinzo. Someone who's been apart of rotations before.
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Its hard for us to fathom on the outside looking in but maybe there's something he didn't like? Or maybe he has no faith in this team to go any further than what they did last season..Or hell maybe he just wanted to play in NY. Not really sure what the deal is.
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With all due respect to those guys....I'm not expecting those guys to be anything more than coaches decision players if they are on the active roster. I'd love for them to develop though. But the guys I had in mind were veteran young guys....like a Divincinzo. Someone who's been apart of rotations before.
Dragic I understand but you really think McGee won't be an important part of the rotation? He's far from done. I expect him to get all of Powell's minutes.

And for whatever it's worth, Dragic has looked great for Slovenia so far this summer. Unless we made a move for another ball handler, I expect Dragic to get serious minutes.
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Its hard for us to fathom on the outside looking in but maybe there's something he didn't like? Or maybe he has no faith in this team to go any further than what they did last season..Or hell maybe he just wanted to play in NY. Not really sure what the deal is.
I really think that's it. Non-Knicks fans will always scream in confusion about how the Knicks are horrible and losers etc... I'm telling you though, they are still and always will be the league's marquee franchise. The allure for players is very, very real.
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Yeah, our money didn't matter as long as the Knicks offer was decent. I'm convinced 5/125 doesn't change anything. Maybe 27-30 mil does, but do you want him at that point when it's only about the money?
I mean its all about the money for most of these guys. Maybe not for Dirk but for a lot of these guys this is the biggest pay day they'll get. Not everyone has the endorsement deals the stars have.
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I really think that's it. Non-Knicks fans will always scream in confusion about how the Knicks are horrible and losers etc... I'm telling you though, they are still and always will be the league's marquee franchise. The allure for players is very, very real.
I think it is. I'm from Dallas but I love New York. Love everything about it. That aura is still there. Always will be. They may suck as a franchise and as a team but its still playing in the Garden.

If Luka wasn't here maybe the decision would've been harder for Brunson. And it may sound silly to some but maybe Brunson feels he can be Luka for the Knicks. HE can be their guy. Mavs couldn't offer him that. Hell even with Christian Wood...I was hoping Brunson slid to the 3rd or 4th option......
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Lilliard posts on his IG story ?loyalty has an expiration date?. How much longer until he requests a trade?
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Lilliard posts on his IG story ?loyalty has an expiration date?. How much longer until he requests a trade?
I mean he should know how this is going to play out. Its not going to end in his favor. He might as well leave now. He paid his dues. He doesn't owe that franchise anything. I had the same feelings about Dirk. Dirk didn't owe us anything. IF he had left us I would've understood.
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Dragic I understand but you really think McGee won't be an important part of the rotation? He's far from done. I expect him to get all of Powell's minutes.

And for whatever it's worth, Dragic has looked great for Slovenia so far this summer. Unless we made a move for another ball handler, I expect Dragic to get serious minutes.
Oh I expect McGee to get 15 to 20 minutes a night. I feel like he's still the player he's always is and will be. I would've liked Jaylen Smith for his ceiling and his youth. But they went in a different direction. I get it. Not upset about the McGee move.

Dragic is what he is. I dont' expect much. I think he can still contribute. I Think if either guy gets over 20 minutes a night we have a issue.
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The Los Angeles Lakers and Brooklyn Nets are actively engaged in trade discussions centered on a Russell Westbrook-Kyrie Irving package, league sources tell @YahooSports: sports.yahoo.com/sources-lakers?

KD doesn't want to play with Russ again?

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KD doesn't want to play with Russ again?
LOL I thought Brooklyn only wanted legit players back.
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LOL I thought Brooklyn only wanted legit players back.
Was about to say the same thing. Nets caving because they want to get rid of Kyrie?s ass. I hate that these owners cave to the players demand.
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It had to be Russ to even match salaries. They weren't giving up Lebron or AD, and they don't have much else.

If it does happen, Russ and Ben Simmons will be hilarious.

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LOL I thought Brooklyn only wanted legit players back.
I mean, who the F would give up anything of value for Kyrie at this point? The guy could retire at any minute. There has never been a more unreliable star in the history of basketball, maybe in the history of sports.
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I mean, who the F would give up anything of value for Kyrie at this point? The guy could retire at any minute. There has never been a more unreliable star in the history of basketball, maybe in the history of sports.
Agreed. He'll destroy the Lakers worse than WB.
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I mean, who the F would give up anything of value for Kyrie at this point? The guy could retire at any minute. There has never been a more unreliable star in the history of basketball, maybe in the history of sports.
You know....his teammate Ben Simmons might give him a run for his money.
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You know....his teammate Ben Simmons might give him a run for his money.
Very fair point. Give him time. Kyrie has been around longer.
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While I would love for the Lakers to implode, realistically a motivated big three of Lebron, AD, and Kyrie is absolutely going to be in contention. Important to remember Kyrie is in a contract year and he will have all three eyes looking for a max deal this summer.

Not surprised Tyrell isn?t going to make it in the NBA. He was literally a Steph Curry starter kit, but didn?t have the mental health or fortitude to follow through and work like Steph. I hope he finds peace.

I think Portland has done a good job of balancing contending now (Grant trade, GP2 signing) with keeping an eye towards the future (extending Simons, drafting Sharpe). I?m a little surprise Dame is playing the cryptic IG game. Maybe has something to do with a move for KD?

Finally, if I?m the Mavs I?m pursuing Sexton hard.
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Draft compensation is an ongoing talking point for the Nets and they want shooting guard Joe Harris ? who is recovering from left ankle surgery ? and his remaining $38.6 million owed over the next two years included in the deal, sources said. The T Lakers have been disinclined to the inclusion of Harris, and are instead seeking the insertion of sharpshooter Seth Curry as part of the arrangement, sources said. ? via Chris Haynes @ Yahoo! Sports

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While I would love for the Lakers to implode, realistically a motivated big three of Lebron, AD, and Kyrie is absolutely going to be in contention. Important to remember Kyrie is in a contract year and he will have all three eyes looking for a max deal this summer.
If all three of those guys are healthy and committed, then yes they'll be a force. But contract year or no, I think Kyrie just seems disinterested in basketball, and AD hasn't been healthy for two years.

Sort of a tangent, but the Westbrook trade has got to be the single stupidest, nonsensical, most self-destructive trade in NBA history. This was a team that won the championship, and then actually significantly improved their championship roster, and instead of logically chalking up the loss the next season to injuries, they decided they needed to completely gut their championship roster and trade all of their depth for the one guy who has proven over and over again that he does not know how to play winning team basketball. Healthy Lebron and AD with KCP, Caruso, Schroder, Montrezl, and a few minor role players is easily still a title contender in 2022 and beyond.

It just goes to show you, you can't ever let the players be the GM. When Lebron and AD pushed to trade for Westbrook, Jeanie Buss and the Lakers front office just needed to call Lebron's bluff and dare him to leave.
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If all three of those guys are healthy and committed, then yes they'll be a force. But contract year or no, I think Kyrie just seems disinterested in basketball, and AD hasn't been healthy for two years.

Sort of a tangent, but the Westbrook trade has got to be the single stupidest, nonsensical, most self-destructive trade in NBA history. This was a team that won the championship, and then actually significantly improved their championship roster, and instead of logically chalking up the loss the next season to injuries, they decided they needed to completely gut their championship roster and trade all of their depth for the one guy who has proven over and over again that he does not know how to play winning team basketball. Healthy Lebron and AD with KCP, Caruso, Schroder, Montrezl, and a few minor role players is easily still a title contender in 2022 and beyond.

It just goes to show you, you can't ever let the players be the GM. When Lebron and AD pushed to trade for Westbrook, Jeanie Buss and the Lakers front office just needed to call Lebron's bluff and dare him to leave.
That's why I want Schroder. I'm sure he is a bit of a head case, but so what? A one year vet min isn't going to kill the roster. We need a guy that can hold the reigns if Luka gets hurt/tired.
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That's why I want Schroder. I'm sure he is a bit of a head case, but so what? A one year vet min isn't going to kill the roster. We need a guy that can hold the reigns if Luka gets hurt/tired.
I would gladly take Schroder. He's not nearly the scorer that Brunson is, but I feel like his ball handling and playmaking is better.
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Agreed. He'll destroy the Lakers worse than WB.
I don't think Lebron would let that happen.
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If all three of those guys are healthy and committed, then yes they'll be a force. But contract year or no, I think Kyrie just seems disinterested in basketball, and AD hasn't been healthy for two years.

Sort of a tangent, but the Westbrook trade has got to be the single stupidest, nonsensical, most self-destructive trade in NBA history. This was a team that won the championship, and then actually significantly improved their championship roster, and instead of logically chalking up the loss the next season to injuries, they decided they needed to completely gut their championship roster and trade all of their depth for the one guy who has proven over and over again that he does not know how to play winning team basketball. Healthy Lebron and AD with KCP, Caruso, Schroder, Montrezl, and a few minor role players is easily still a title contender in 2022 and beyond.

It just goes to show you, you can't ever let the players be the GM. When Lebron and AD pushed to trade for Westbrook, Jeanie Buss and the Lakers front office just needed to call Lebron's bluff and dare him to leave.


Man it's crazy that the LA Lakers of all teams let LeGM run the show. Just indicative of the difference between a tight ship (Miami) that held Lebron accountable and didn't allow him to bring in his buddies or ship out Spoelstra, and a poorly run organization like the Lakers.

If I have one fear about bringing in Dragic it's that we'd be catering to Luka at the expense of the other guys. I was happy we didn't keep Boban for the sake of keeping him. Nico seems to run this place more like Riley and less like Cuban used to in the past.
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I don't think Lebron would let that happen.
I think Lebron would just leave and join a playoff team (Hello again Cleveland).
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Man it's crazy that the LA Lakers of all teams let LeGM run the show. Just indicative of the difference between a tight ship (Miami) that held Lebron accountable and didn't allow him to bring in his buddies or ship out Spoelstra, and a poorly run organization like the Lakers.

If I have one fear about bringing in Dragic it's that we'd be catering to Luka at the expense of the other guys. I was happy we didn't keep Boban for the sake of keeping him. Nico seems to run this place more like Riley and less like Cuban used to in the past.
I understand what you?re saying about Dragic, but he fills a need as a ball handler and scorer. Boban was just here for good vibes. Love the guy, but he is borderline unplayable in todays NBA.
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Boy this off-season is at a standstill now.

I wonder if the league is waiting for the KD and Kyrie situation to unfold.
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After Shams' report on the Irving interest, if we trade for him, I will flip out, and not in a good way. I don't even think that's a risk at this point, that's a surefire disaster based on everything we know.
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I'd only trade for Irving if I was truly desperate. Like say.... If I had RWB making nearly 50m.

Still don't understand why Nets are even entertaining this. I'd love if they just said... no we will pass on that thanks. If you want to go to the Lakers you can suck it up and play this year, if not you can just get fined for not playing... and walk ur happy ass there next year and let Lakers deal with whatever salary hoops they may or may not need to jump through to make it work or even if they want to at that point.

Those 3 jokers took a massive steaming dump on the nets organization(Kyrie, KD, and Harden). I'll make a trade if it gives me real tangible assets, like KD absolutely will. If my reward for dealing with Kyrie's bs is a year of 50m westbrick with Simmons- that's a hard pass.
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