07-05-2022, 09:23 PM
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Just play him from day one rookie be damned. The Mavs so badly need to hit on him that I'm not sure they have a choice.
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07-05-2022, 10:32 PM
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I?m convinced we have something in Hardy. When you watch him shoot and dribble it just looks so natural and effortless. Such a contrast to Green who is an athlete first, basketball player second. Hardy is a basketball player through and through.
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07-05-2022, 11:19 PM
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I really would have liked him here. I highly doubt it's for vet min.
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I never even suggested getting him because I thought he'd cost someone some nice change even if it was after being off for a couple of seasons...
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07-06-2022, 08:12 AM
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Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart
Just play him from day one rookie be damned. The Mavs so badly need to hit on him that I'm not sure they have a choice.
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This. We?re so desperate for a draft pick to hit. Give him minutes game 1 if you can
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07-06-2022, 09:16 AM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F1tf...coutingRapport
This was Hardy's best all around game. You can see he needs some fine tuning and sometimes forces things, but what SG doesn't force their shot from time to time. They played him at pg a lot to add to his game, but he really is more of a pure SG.
What puzzles me is his teammate Dyson Daniels goes 8 in the draft barely averaging 12 ppg on 26% from three for the Ignite. Like I really cannot imagine picking him over Hardy.
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07-06-2022, 12:47 PM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F1tf...coutingRapport
This was Hardy's best all around game. You can see he needs some fine tuning and sometimes forces things, but what SG doesn't force their shot from time to time. They played him at pg a lot to add to his game, but he really is more of a pure SG.
What puzzles me is his teammate Dyson Daniels goes 8 in the draft barely averaging 12 ppg on 26% from three for the Ignite. Like I really cannot imagine picking him over Hardy.
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I mean, I can't imagine Marvin Bagely going over Luka. But that's our good fortune. The Mavs should retire Vlade's jersey for that.
Hopefully Hardy is as good as we're all projecting.
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07-06-2022, 01:13 PM
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07-06-2022, 01:18 PM
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Fred Katz: A note with the free-agency moratorium officially done: The Knicks could not turn the Isaiah Hartenstein acquisition into a sign-and-trade because the Clippers were capped on how much they could pay him. As for Jalen Brunson becoming a S&T, we don?t know until we know. ? via Twitter FredKatz
I really hope we are able to get a TPE for Brunson. We can?t go into the season with Luka being the only ball handler. Dinwiddie is capable, but if Luka goes down for any stretch of time they are fucked. This is after Cuban was saying last offseason we needed another ball handler when we had Luka, JB, and Burke.
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07-06-2022, 01:19 PM
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Anthony Chiang: Caleb Martin has agreed to a three-year deal worth about $20.5 million deal to return to the Heat, per source. Heat using the full $6.5 million taxpayer midlevel exception on Martin. ? via Twitter Anthony_Chiang
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07-06-2022, 02:22 PM
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I mean, I can't imagine Marvin Bagely going over Luka. But that's our good fortune. The Mavs should retire Vlade's jersey for that.
Hopefully Hardy is as good as we're all projecting.
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Funny you mention Luka. On another Mavs board, they trash Hardy because of his defense and lack of athleticism. And they judge him because he doesn't have a good vertical. I'm thinking...imagine if we judged Luka based on his vertical and his defense.
Athleticism and a vertical aren't always the same thing. You can be athletically quick, which Hardy is, and not jump super high.
And critical thinking is what role Hardy fills. He is filling in for Brunson full stop unless we make another move. So if you could hide Brunson's 6'1, no athleticism, and vertical (I don't think I've ever seen Brunson dunk or can't remember it) then Hardy should be fine.
Big issue with the team right now is a backup pg. Still need one of those in an emergency. Dinwiddie and Hardy can play the position, but I'd prefer to have a more pure one.
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07-06-2022, 02:56 PM
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Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart
Big issue with the team right now is a backup pg. Still need one of those in an emergency. Dinwiddie and Hardy can play the position, but I'd prefer to have a more pure one.
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I believe the following veteran PGs are still available:
Dennis Schroder (I thought that there was report he signed somewhere but I cannot find it)
Eric Bledsoe (waived today)
D.J. Augustin
Avery Bradley
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07-06-2022, 03:02 PM
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Originally Posted by BPo001
Fred Katz: A note with the free-agency moratorium officially done: The Knicks could not turn the Isaiah Hartenstein acquisition into a sign-and-trade because the Clippers were capped on how much they could pay him. As for Jalen Brunson becoming a S&T, we don?t know until we know. ? via Twitter FredKatz
I really hope we are able to get a TPE for Brunson. We can?t go into the season with Luka being the only ball handler. Dinwiddie is capable, but if Luka goes down for any stretch of time they are fucked. This is after Cuban was saying last offseason we needed another ball handler when we had Luka, JB, and Burke.
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I'm not sure if anyone has brought this up but when you look at Knicks roster the only guy I would even consider would be Derrick Rose.
He's kind of flown under the radar but dude still has something left in the tank.
I think he would be very capable ball handler for 16-20 minutes per night.
He still has good offensive ability and that would be a sneaky good pickup by the Mavs.
Dinwiddie, Rose and Frank gives us 3 rotation pieces to allow Luka time to rest,
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07-06-2022, 03:28 PM
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Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart
Funny you mention Luka. On another Mavs board, they trash Hardy because of his defense and lack of athleticism. And they judge him because he doesn't have a good vertical. I'm thinking...imagine if we judged Luka based on his vertical and his defense.
Athleticism and a vertical aren't always the same thing. You can be athletically quick, which Hardy is, and not jump super high.
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Even beyond all that... he looks pretty athletic to me. *shrug*
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And critical thinking is what role Hardy fills. He is filling in for Brunson full stop unless we make another move. So if you could hide Brunson's 6'1, no athleticism, and vertical (I don't think I've ever seen Brunson dunk or can't remember it) then Hardy should be fine.
Big issue with the team right now is a backup pg. Still need one of those in an emergency. Dinwiddie and Hardy can play the position, but I'd prefer to have a more pure one.
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Yup, not getting Dragic (again) stings. And Schroder makes so much basketball sense, I'm wondering if the Mavs have just decided he's a headache they'd rather not deal with. Because there's no way they haven't at least considered him. And I'm wondering if his reputation around the league is worse than we realize, because it seems odd that nobody else has picked him up either.
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07-06-2022, 04:01 PM
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Originally Posted by purplefrog
I believe the following veteran PGs are still available:
Dennis Schroder (I thought that there was report he signed somewhere but I cannot find it)
Eric Bledsoe (waived today)
D.J. Augustin
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Heh on Schroder I think you got fooled by EL's earlier post showing a hypothetical Woj tweet of him signing anywhere else but with the Mavs.
But he and Bledsoe would be nice. Bradley is more of a SG to me whereas I've never been impressed with him. Not sure what DJ has left in the tank, but could definitely provide a veteran PG presence with good shooting.
Kind of intrigued at the Derrick Rose idea but that would take Cuban to spend a decent chunk towards tax, though his contract has a club option for the following and final year (2023). His game has sneakily morphed into a complimentary piece with his shooting numbers, both outside and at the FT line vastly improving.
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07-06-2022, 04:18 PM
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Jalen Brunson has yet to rise to All-Star level, but league sources say that the presumed boost to his All-Star chances by moving from the Western Conference to the East was indeed among his motivations for agreeing to leave the Dallas Mavericks for the New York Knicks. ? via Marc Stein @ marcstein.substack.com
Top Rumors, Jalen Brunson, Dallas Mavericks, New York Knicks
My sense, though, is that the league is likely to take a deeper look at the hiring of Rick Brunson as an assistant to Tom Thibodeau. That move, which the Knicks still have not officially announced, was reported by SportsNet New York?s Ian Begley in early June. As Rick Brunson himself indicated in an April piece by ESPN?s Tim MacMahon, he had been actively involved in his son?s contract negotiations all season. ? via Marc Stein @ marcstein.substack.com
Free Agency, Tampering, Tom Thibodeau, Jalen Brunson, Rick Brunson, New York Knicks
Some in coaching circles have estimated that the Knicks plan to pay the elder Brunson a seven-figure annual sum to replace Kenny Payne, who left the club to become the head coach at Louisville. I wrote about the ?very, very, very real? threat that the Knicks posed to steal Brunson away from the Mavericks on June 24, nearly a week before free agency officially began, but there appears to be more to examine here than mere jumping-the-gun talk. ? via Marc Stein @ marcstein.substack.com
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07-06-2022, 05:50 PM
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Marc Stein: The expectation, I?m told, is that Jalen Brunson?s new deal to join the Knicks is unlikely to be finalized today as part of the Day 1 wave of signings and trades after the NBA moratorium was lifted. More on Brunson and a slew of around-the-league topics: marcstein.substack.com/p/more-nba-fre? ? via Twitter TheSteinLine
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07-06-2022, 05:52 PM
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Ian Begley: Multiple teams have expressed interest in NYK?s Taj Gibson during FA period. Gibson?s contract for next year is fully non-guaranteed. NYK could waive Gibson to create cap space for Brunson or acquire Brunson via S&T. His NYK teammates have roundly praised Gibson over past 3 years ? via Twitter IanBegley
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07-06-2022, 06:00 PM
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Originally Posted by BPo001
Ian Begley: Multiple teams have expressed interest in NYK?s Taj Gibson during FA period. Gibson?s contract for next year is fully non-guaranteed. NYK could waive Gibson to create cap space for Brunson or acquire Brunson via S&T. His NYK teammates have roundly praised Gibson over past 3 years ? via Twitter IanBegley
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Cut his ass and sign Brunson.
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07-06-2022, 06:07 PM
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Fact that the Brunson trade isnt done is telling
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07-06-2022, 06:15 PM
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Fact that the Brunson trade isnt done is telling
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Probably trying to maximize what they can get out of it. Brunson has already agreed to the dollars and years....now it's up to the Knicks on how they want to do it....can they milk a pick or player for Taj, then sign and trade Brunson....or just cut Taj and sign Brunson....a good front office will look at all angles and maximize the deal.
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07-06-2022, 10:15 PM
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WTF? Knicks got a first round pick for Kemba Walker? What is Detroit doing?
The New York Knicks announced today that the team has acquired a future first round draft pick from Detroit in exchange for guard Kemba Walker and the draft rights to center Jalen Duren.
Source: New York Knicks @ NBA.com
Adrian Wojnarowski: Four-time All-Star guard Kemba Walker and the Detroit Pistons are finalizing a contract buyout, sources tell ESPN. Once Walker clears waivers, he?ll join free agency. -via Twitter @wojespn / June 30, 2022
Any interest in Kemba to Dallas?
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07-06-2022, 10:20 PM
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WTF? Knicks got a first round pick for Kemba Walker? What is Detroit doing?
The New York Knicks announced today that the team has acquired a future first round draft pick from Detroit in exchange for guard Kemba Walker and the draft rights to center Jalen Duren.
Source: New York Knicks @ NBA.com
Adrian Wojnarowski: Four-time All-Star guard Kemba Walker and the Detroit Pistons are finalizing a contract buyout, sources tell ESPN. Once Walker clears waivers, he?ll join free agency. -via Twitter @wojespn / June 30, 2022
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More like Detroit gave up a future first rounder for Jalen Duren, at the cost of taking on Kemba.
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07-06-2022, 10:22 PM
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Originally Posted by saclare
More like Detroit gave up a future first rounder for Jalen Duren, at the cost of taking on Kemba.
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Ah I see, any interest in Kemba?
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07-06-2022, 10:24 PM
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Originally Posted by JustJay
WTF? Knicks got a first round pick for Kemba Walker? What is Detroit doing?
The New York Knicks announced today that the team has acquired a future first round draft pick from Detroit in exchange for guard Kemba Walker and the draft rights to center Jalen Duren.
Source: New York Knicks @ NBA.com
Adrian Wojnarowski: Four-time All-Star guard Kemba Walker and the Detroit Pistons are finalizing a contract buyout, sources tell ESPN. Once Walker clears waivers, he?ll join free agency. -via Twitter @wojespn / June 30, 2022
Any interest in Kemba to Dallas?
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I never understood the Kemba hate. Yes, he sucks at defense. Yes, he is inconsistent. But man, when he is on, he still has big games.
I'd take him, Patty Mills, Shroder...like what is the hold up. No way we don't sign another pg. They can't be that dumb.
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07-06-2022, 10:54 PM
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In addition to giving Beal 50 million a year, they gave him a no trade clause and a 15% trade kicker to trade for him. So it's going to cost a fortune to trade for him, and he would have to waive the no trade clause. Seems the Wizards want to keep him. They probably sell a good amount of tickets with him even if they're a loser franchise.
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07-07-2022, 08:08 AM
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In addition to giving Beal 50 million a year, they gave him a no trade clause and a 15% trade kicker to trade for him. So it's going to cost a fortune to trade for him, and he would have to waive the no trade clause. Seems the Wizards want to keep him. They probably sell a good amount of tickets with him even if they're a loser franchise.
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I still expect him to request a trade next summer.
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07-07-2022, 08:16 AM
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Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart
I never understood the Kemba hate. Yes, he sucks at defense. Yes, he is inconsistent. But man, when he is on, he still has big games.
I'd take him, Patty Mills, Shroder...like what is the hold up. No way we don't sign another pg. They can't be that dumb.
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I would gladly take Kemba for the vet min.
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07-07-2022, 08:20 AM
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We seem to be closing in on Tyler Dorsey. He developed his game a lot in Euroleague. Looking closer at his stats, his shooting %"s jumped a bit, so maybe could provide some solid back up mins if we got him. Not the fill in for Brunson I hoped for but maybe they see more about him than I do.
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07-07-2022, 08:29 AM
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KAT and Booker are now the highest salaried athletes in the US.
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07-07-2022, 08:45 AM
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Originally Posted by SMC0007
We seem to be closing in on Tyler Dorsey. He developed his game a lot in Euroleague. Looking closer at his stats, his shooting %"s jumped a bit, so maybe could provide some solid back up mins if we got him. Not the fill in for Brunson I hoped for but maybe they see more about him than I do.
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As best I can tell, he seems to be mostly a scorer. His Euroleague 3pt% is close to 40%.
If the Mavs add Dorsey, do they really need THJ? Hardy + Dorsey + THJ seems redundant...Maybe another trade on the horizon?
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07-07-2022, 08:48 AM
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Originally Posted by purplefrog
As best I can tell, he seems to be mostly a scorer. His Euroleague 3pt% is close to 40%.
If the Mavs add Dorsey, do they really need THJ? Hardy + Dorsey + THJ seems redundant...Maybe another trade on the horizon?
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Powell /thj and Bertrans are not needed. Get rid them.
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07-07-2022, 09:04 AM
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As best I can tell, he seems to be mostly a scorer. His Euroleague 3pt% is close to 40%.
If the Mavs add Dorsey, do they really need THJ? Hardy + Dorsey + THJ seems redundant...Maybe another trade on the horizon?
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If they add Dorsey, there's no way they could make moves based on trusting him to be a consistent contributor. Its speculation still at this point and Im not sure why they wouldnt have just got Dragic. He has tons of experience and could play guaranteed solid back up mins. However, moving THJ, DP and whoever else for a 2 way wing with handles would keep Dorsey or ehatever unproven guy they get in the 'prove it, limited minutes' role.
Hardy needs real minutes for real experience. Let him play through mistakes. I don't think Kidd would pine his ass like Rick would. IMO as the roster is now, he is going to HAVE to play and hopefully he can quickly play up to his potential.
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07-07-2022, 09:05 AM
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Powell /thj and Bertrans are not needed. Get rid them.
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Getting rid of THJ and Bertans is harder than you might think. The Mavs shopped around THJ last season and nobody was interested, and Bertans is practically infamous for having one of the worst contracts in the league. Both of those guys are probably at least a year away from being tradeable.
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07-07-2022, 09:26 AM
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Getting rid of THJ and Bertans is harder than you might think. The Mavs shopped around THJ last season and nobody was interested, and Bertans is practically infamous for having one of the worst contracts in the league. Both of those guys are probably at least a year away from being tradeable.
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Throw in a first 4-5 years from now. We should be good and late round first mostly worthless.
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07-07-2022, 09:32 AM
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Well if they are going to sign Dorsey, which IMO is a snooze signing, then they are for sure serious about giving Hardy minutes this season.
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07-07-2022, 09:40 AM
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Throw in a first 4-5 years from now. We should be good and late round first mostly worthless.
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What for? Just keep them for another year and then they're tradeable. First round picks, even late ones, are NOT worthless. Why are we so desperate to get rid of THJ and Bertans that we'll give up the precious few assets we have?
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07-07-2022, 09:52 AM
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Powell /thj and Bertrans are not needed. Get rid them.
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Easier said than done. Bertans contract is one of the worst in the league. Nobody wanted THJ last year when he was healthy, and prob not now that he is coming off an injury.
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07-07-2022, 09:53 AM
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Throw in a first 4-5 years from now. We should be good and late round first mostly worthless.
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Stop. Trading. Picks.
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07-07-2022, 10:46 AM
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Ah I see, any interest in Kemba?
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Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart
I never understood the Kemba hate. Yes, he sucks at defense. Yes, he is inconsistent. But man, when he is on, he still has big games.
I'd take him, Patty Mills, Shroder...like what is the hold up. No way we don't sign another pg. They can't be that dumb.
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I could get behind any of these guys, though I have my questions on Kemba's knees and overall health. He's a bucket though. I think Mills or Schroder give you a bit more rounded game with some added defense. I've long really wanted Mills to give that Barea type of role. Thought he had signed already, but doesn't appear so.
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07-07-2022, 11:02 AM
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Kemba?s injury history worries me. I think I?d go Schroeder, Mills, Kemba if I had my choice. They definitely need to sign someone who can handle the ball.
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