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[Simon2]

So frustrating to watch the Mavs as a fan.

1. Wood needs to start or get more minutes.
2. Hardy needs more minutes
3. Bullock and THJ need minutes to be reduced significantly

Why can fans see this so clearly and the Mavs coaching staff is slow to adjust??

Next one is pay Wood. Mavs won?t realize this till he walks or gets traded.

[DevinHarriswillstart]

Originally Posted by Simon2

So frustrating to watch the Mavs as a fan.

1. Wood needs to start or get more minutes.
2. Hardy needs more minutes
3. Bullock and THJ need minutes to be reduced significantly

Why can fans see this so clearly and the Mavs coaching staff is slow to adjust??

Next one is pay Wood. Mavs won?t realize this till he walks or gets traded.

The frustrating part is that you (Kidd) should have been developing Hardy early on when you can afford to lose a few games. Now you're sort of unfairly putting him in high pressure situations like Celtics and Pels to perform. I'm glad he has stepped up, but it feels like Kidd is setting him up for failure.

Kidd has this make me make you play minutes mentality. Except that it doesn't apply to every player *cough* Bullock, Powell *cough*

Hardy did say the g league stint helped him, but this process has been way too slow. Especially with all the injuries. Signing Walker was a complete waste and another hurdle to Hardy getting minutes.

[SMC0007]

Originally Posted by Simon2

So frustrating to watch the Mavs as a fan.

1. Wood needs to start or get more minutes.
2. Hardy needs more minutes
3. Bullock and THJ need minutes to be reduced significantly

Why can fans see this so clearly and the Mavs coaching staff is slow to adjust??

Next one is pay Wood. Mavs won?t realize this till he walks or gets traded.

Well Wood is starting now and at this point I don't think it's changing even if we had Maxi and zgreen healthy. That is a situation where we got lucky with unfortunate injury. Most of thr credit goes to Wood for renewed intensity and learning his role defensively.

Hardy needs more mins and due to Injury it also forced Kidds hand. Again, most credit goes to Hardy for actually producing in the little time he has to make it obvious that he needs MEANINGFUL mins like we have been saying. Not garbage mins.

Kidd probably sees these things too, but there is a whole other side to it where he is with all the guys constantly. Tenure, work ethic and relationships all play some factor. My best guess is that Kidd is not oblivious but he is hoping that minutes and roles work itself out. Like Bullock and Dfs aren't players that take us to the promise land, but they've been around a long time so you might lose them if you immediately bump them for prospects. I'm totally spitballing here, but the players aren't blind, they can see they are getting bumped slowly and they probably blame Kidd less because they have been given every chance to retain their roles but aren't producing.

I'd like to think if the players were robots, he would have already made some of the moves we have been screaming about, but you can't turn them on and off. There's tenure, team chemistry, relationships mixed into everything beyond the floor.

[tap2390]

Originally Posted by SMC0007

Well Wood is starting now and at this point I don't think it's changing even if we had Maxi and zgreen healthy. That is a situation where we got lucky with unfortunate injury. Most of thr credit goes to Wood for renewed intensity and learning his role defensively.

Hardy needs more mins and due to Injury it also forced Kidds hand. Again, most credit goes to Hardy for actually producing in the little time he has to make it obvious that he needs MEANINGFUL mins like we have been saying. Not garbage mins.

Kidd probably sees these things too, but there is a whole other side to it where he is with all the guys constantly. Tenure, work ethic and relationships all play some factor. My best guess is that Kidd is not oblivious but he is hoping that minutes and roles work itself out. Like Bullock and Dfs aren't players that take us to the promise land, but they've been around a long time so you might lose them if you immediately bump them for prospects. I'm totally spitballing here, but the players aren't blind, they can see they are getting bumped slowly and they probably blame Kidd less because they have been given every chance to retain their roles but aren't producing.

I'd like to think if the players were robots, he would have already made some of the moves we have been screaming about, but you can't turn them on and off. There's tenure, team chemistry, relationships mixed into everything beyond the floor.

Really good points.

[Simon2]

I understand where you are coming from but this is not highschool basketball anymore where we want to be fair with playing time. It took injuries for the right people to get playing time. That sounds like luck and not good coaching. I understand that there is a whole other aspect aside from basketball. However, basketball is the final product. We talk about keeping some players happy but what about the most important one? The one that needs to be in god mode to win? How does he feel when one person goes for 1/9 and the other has 0 pts, 3 rbs a d 2 asts in 30+ mins? My only guess is Kidd is trying to showcase these people so they can be moved. What?s frustrating is all the negotiations that is supposed to be happening with Wood. The Mavs know how much they can offer him, just offer it already? This is not the flea market where one has to haggle. I feel like the Mavs out think themselves too much out of a good deal. If its not about Xs and Os, then Wood is a great fit! The sad part is that his numbers are there, his attitude is there and he is even endorsed by Luka. Even with all this, Mavs are still acting like a subpar franchise.

Originally Posted by SMC0007

Well Wood is starting now and at this point I don't think it's changing even if we had Maxi and zgreen healthy. That is a situation where we got lucky with unfortunate injury. Most of thr credit goes to Wood for renewed intensity and learning his role defensively.

Hardy needs more mins and due to Injury it also forced Kidds hand. Again, most credit goes to Hardy for actually producing in the little time he has to make it obvious that he needs MEANINGFUL mins like we have been saying. Not garbage mins.

Kidd probably sees these things too, but there is a whole other side to it where he is with all the guys constantly. Tenure, work ethic and relationships all play some factor. My best guess is that Kidd is not oblivious but he is hoping that minutes and roles work itself out. Like Bullock and Dfs aren't players that take us to the promise land, but they've been around a long time so you might lose them if you immediately bump them for prospects. I'm totally spitballing here, but the players aren't blind, they can see they are getting bumped slowly and they probably blame Kidd less because they have been given every chance to retain their roles but aren't producing.

I'd like to think if the players were robots, he would have already made some of the moves we have been screaming about, but you can't turn them on and off. There's tenure, team chemistry, relationships mixed into everything beyond the floor.

[SMC0007]

Originally Posted by Simon2

I understand where you are coming from but this is not highschool basketball anymore where we want to be fair with playing time. It took injuries for the right people to get playing time. That sounds like luck and not good coaching. I understand that there is a whole other aspect aside from basketball. However, basketball is the final product. We talk about keeping some players happy but what about the most important one? The one that needs to be in god mode to win? How does he feel when one person goes for 1/9 and the other has 0 pts, 3 rbs a d 2 asts in 30+ mins? My only guess is Kidd is trying to showcase these people so they can be moved. What?s frustrating is all the negotiations that is supposed to be happening with Wood. The Mavs know how much they can offer him, just offer it already? This is not the flea market where one has to haggle. I feel like the Mavs out think themselves too much out of a good deal. If its not about Xs and Os, then Wood is a great fit! The sad part is that his numbers are there, his attitude is there and he is even endorsed by Luka. Even with all this, Mavs are still acting like a subpar franchise.

Totally agree about Wood. Good fit ans he's producing and has been as much as we could have hoped for in regards of providing more on defense.

I think we are on the same page about it being luck regarding playing time for Hardy and Wood starting. Green is in a similar boat. It's luck but also unlucky because we needed Maxi semi-versatile defending.

I think it's different than your analogy of HS ball because they are in hotels, busses, planes, practices etc together. There's much more tenure, relationships between coaches/players and chemistry at this level. I could be wrong but I think his approach is to make small adjustments without rocking the boat as things play out. I'm not saying that's how I would do it, or that it's right but I can't convince my self fully that Kidd is just clueless. Even though i have taken plenty of shots at him, im Not fully convinced.

Regarding keeping Luka happy, I don't think Luka is speaking his mind about rotations and to some degree if he fully disagrees with the aoproach he needs to take steps to ensure his own happiness and push the issue PROPERLY. I don't believe he's there yet mentally. I think he is still trusting the veterans and coaching staff. Though, I'm not sure how much longer that will be the case. I would have already been in coaches ear.

[DevinHarriswillstart]

Originally Posted by SMC0007

I'd like to think if the players were robots, he would have already made some of the moves we have been screaming about, but you can't turn them on and off. There's tenure, team chemistry, relationships mixed into everything beyond the floor.

Mark, is that you?

I kid. I think we all take that stuff into consideration, but it doesn't excuse Powell and Bullock playing into oblivion while Wood and Hardy have to fight tooth and nail for their roles.

If you, as a coach, can't recognize playing your more talented players for success, then you shouldn't be coaching.

Big thing is that Wood and Hardy aren't some luxuries you can just throw out there. We NEED them to be good.

And I understand Powell and Bullock are getting minutes now with injuries, but they were getting minutes when the team was healthy too.

[rimrocker]

Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

Mark, is that you?

I kid. I think we all take that stuff into consideration, but it doesn't excuse Powell and Bullock playing into oblivion while Wood and Hardy have to fight tooth and nail for their roles.

If you, as a coach, can't recognize playing your more talented players for success, then you shouldn't be coaching.

Big thing is that Wood and Hardy aren't some luxuries you can just throw out there. We NEED them to be good.

And I understand Powell and Bullock are getting minutes now with injuries, but they were getting minutes when the team was healthy too.

I honestly think Luka is at a point in his career where he should be leading a young team with an upside, instead of an average talented team filled with players exiting their prime.

Luka/Hardy/Green/Wood along with Lawson and Wright is something to build on.
Trade any combination of the rest of the team to yield a young athletic defensive-oriented center.

[SMC0007]

Originally Posted by rimrocker

I honestly think Luka is at a point in his career where he should be leading a young team with an upside, instead of an average talented team filled with players exiting their prime.

Luka/Hardy/Green/Wood along with Lawson and Wright is something to build on.
Trade any combination of the rest of the team to yield a young athletic defensive-oriented center.

I really would hate this at all.

[rimrocker]

Originally Posted by SMC0007

I really would hate this at all.

Obviously, we wouldn't trade everybody, but what is left would be role players which are the roles they should be playing anyway.

[SMC0007]

Originally Posted by rimrocker

Obviously, we wouldn't trade everybody, but what is left would be role players which are the roles they should be playing anyway.

Right. Well, we have role players forced into massive roles that they aren't capable of.

[JustJay]

Originally Posted by Simon2

So frustrating to watch the Mavs as a fan.

1. Wood needs to start or get more minutes.
2. Hardy needs more minutes
3. Bullock and THJ need minutes to be reduced significantly

Why can fans see this so clearly and the Mavs coaching staff is slow to adjust??

Next one is pay Wood. Mavs won?t realize this till he walks or gets traded.

This is why I believe in conspiracy theories that most on the board don't agree with, such as Cuban started Powell because they go to movies together. There's just no logical reason to start Dwight f'n Powell over Christian Wood much less should he have been a Mav this year. He's been here since we traded for Rajon Rondo and he's mediocre.

[saclare]

Originally Posted by JustJay

This is why I believe in conspiracy theories that most on the board don't agree with, such as Cuban started Powell because they go to movies together. There's just no logical reason to start Dwight f'n Powell over Christian Wood much less should he have been a Mav this year. He's been here since we traded for Rajon Rondo and he's mediocre.

Theories have been abounded. But I stick with the idea Kidd was trying to force Wood to buy into being less of a liability on the defensive end and wasn't going to start him until it was far enough along the process.

I don't agree with it, but Wood has opined to as much in his interviews lately and that's all we really have other than conspiracies....