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Murphy3 · 10-20-2003, 09:01 AM

i have no idea at this moment..but, do you start
walker
dirk
nash
fin
and
jamison?

it doesn't really matter,..all will play starters minutes

but, what are your thoughts?

I think you probably start fortson or preferably bradley and bring walker off the bench.

Murphy3 · 10-20-2003, 09:05 AM

I guess the mavs are officially Run SADAM now

LRB · 10-20-2003, 09:07 AM

Murph knowing Nellie we won't have any set starting lineup. He will juggle players in at the 5 according to matchups. We might see AJ, Walker and Dirk one game. Then AJ, Dirk, and Fortson the next. Then AJ, Dirk, and Bradley. Then Walker, Dirk, and Najera. I see Dirk being a constant unless he is injured. AJ will probably start most or maybe all. Otherwise get the revolving door ready for the additonal frontcourt spot.

LRB · 10-20-2003, 09:08 AM

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Originally posted by: Murphy3
I guess the mavs are officially Run SADAM now

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madape · 10-20-2003, 09:09 AM

I still like Bradley in the starting lineup.

But a second unit of

Best
Delk
Howard
Walker
Fortson

is pretty scary. Depth Depth Depth Depth

Murphy3 · 10-20-2003, 09:11 AM

madape, the only logic that i can see with not going with bradley in the starting lineup is to keep him out of early foul trouble.

another question..who the hell will take the last shot? the mavs had too many people wanting the ball down the stretch last season with NVE being the second PG on the court that you couldn't convince to pass the ball.. who will take the last shot? One of the mavs 3 point forwards or their PG..or, mikey fin?

MavsFanatik33 · 10-20-2003, 09:18 AM

Let's say they start Dirk at center and play a zone, that could work. Also, that would give us a big 5 instead of a big 4. It would look like...

Nash
Finley
Jamison
Walker
Nowitzki

Max Power · 10-20-2003, 09:22 AM

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Originally posted by: LRB
Murph knowing Nellie we won't have any set starting lineup. He will juggle players in at the 5 according to matchups. We might see AJ, Walker and Dirk one game. Then AJ, Dirk, and Fortson the next. Then AJ, Dirk, and Bradley. Then Walker, Dirk, and Najera. I see Dirk being a constant unless he is injured. AJ will probably start most or maybe all. Otherwise get the revolving door ready for the additonal frontcourt spot.

The lineup looked so SET before this trade. And now its back to Nellie's mad scientist routine.

Nash13 · 10-20-2003, 09:26 AM

It would be a Blasphemy if Walker starts.

Nash
Finley
Jamison
Dirk
Fortson

We better sign another center.

kg_veteran · 10-20-2003, 10:08 AM

Make no mistake about it, our starting lineup (and more importantly, our crunchtime lineup) looks like this:

Dirk
Walker
Jamison
Finley
Nash

Positions are just labels at this point.

I'm still in shock, but I'm trying to look at this trade positively. Think about it this way:

1. We have a starting lineup and the overall talent level to match the Lakers. In fact, we might have the most talented starting lineup in the league.

2. How in the world can anybody guard our frontcourt?

Kings - I tend to think Dirk can cover Miller and Walker can do a decent job on Webber, but how in the world can Miller cover either Dirk, Walker, or Jamison? How in the world can Webber cover any of the three?

Spurs - We'll still be swarming Duncan with the game on the line anyway, but how can Nesterovic cover Dirk, Walker, or Jamison? Where will Duncan hide? There is NOWHERE to hide.

Lakers - See the Spurs. We'll still have to swarm Shaq on defense, but who is Shaq going to guard? What about Malone?

3. We are still a good rebounding team.

Here's a rundown of the potential rebounding:

Dirk 10 - Bradley 4
Walker 8 - Fortson 4
Jamison 7 - Howard 2
Finley 6 - Delk/TAW 3
Nash 3 - Best 2

That's 49 rebounds. That's incredible. Knock 2-3 off if you think I'm overestimating and we'd still lead the league in rebounding.

We still have to wonder a) if there are enough shots to go around and b) if we can stop anybody, but it's not Underdog Ball and everyone is playing a natural position (except Dirk).

*still in shock*

MavsFanFinley · 10-20-2003, 10:42 AM

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Dirk
Walker
Jamison
Finley
Nash

If this is our starting lineup, I'm worried about our bench. Where is the scoring going to come from? Before we had Raef and Welsch as scoring options but that just went out the door this morning.

Someone forgot to tell the Mavs that only one ball is aloud on the court. I also fear that Jamison and Walker will be our post up boys while Dirk drags the centers away from the middle. It's either him or Walker will that do so. I just can't stomach having to watch Walker sit out at the 3 point line if that is the plan.

Dirk (Forston, Bradley)
Walker (Najera)
Jamison (TAW)
Finley (Howard, Daniels)
Nash (Best, Delk, Stefansson)

LRB · 10-20-2003, 10:42 AM

KG I would agree the lineups you proposed make lots of sense. But I just can't see Nellie being willing to stop tinkering and trying different lineups for matchup reasons. I wish he would, and would be happy to be proven wrong. I just don't see it happening.

Murphy3 · 10-20-2003, 10:44 AM

MFF, if that's the starting lineup, does it matter where the scoring comes from off of the bench?

Why would it? The mavs can just pattern their 'rotations' to where they have at least a couple of the starters in at all times so that bench scoring is of no huge concern

dalmations202 · 10-20-2003, 10:45 AM

This trade only makes sense if the next trade is with Portland for Rasheed Wallace, or Dale Davis, and filler.

MavsFanFinley · 10-20-2003, 10:52 AM

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MFF, if that's the starting lineup, does it matter where the scoring comes from off of the bench?

Why would it? The mavs can just pattern their 'rotations' to where they have at least a couple of the starters in at all times so that bench scoring is of no huge concern.

That's going to be too big of a revolving door, imo. It will be irritating to watch Walker out, Fortson in. Finley out, Howard in. Walker back in, Dirk out. TAW in, Jamison out. Nash out, Delk in. Best in, Delk out. Finley in, Howard out....

With that starting lineup, you'd think scoring wouldn't be a problem off the bench, but one ball and 5 players starting that need the ball in their hands. Spells disaster to me.

Mavs Rule · 10-20-2003, 01:25 PM

To me its obvious that Walker will have to take a back seat. Either he comes off the bench and Nellie lets him do what he wants offensively like he did with NVE, or he starts and his game is curtailed to being more of an inside player. I don't see Dirk playing center that often considering the fact that opposing teams will continually drive right into him, hoping to foul him out. Nellie will not put Dirk in that kind of situation. I think our bench would be killer if Walker would subdue his ego for the good of the team.

Max Power · 10-20-2003, 03:13 PM

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Originally posted by: dalmations202
This trade only makes sense if the next trade is with Portland for Rasheed Wallace, or Dale Davis, and filler.

Welcome to the board.

I agree with you about Dale Davis - I'd LOVE to have him on this team. I don't think Wallace is as talented as any of our current frontcourt players.

kg_veteran · 10-20-2003, 03:14 PM

Given what Nelson just said in the press conference, this minute distribution and rotation sounds reasonable:

Fortson 20 - Bradley 20
Nowitzki 35 - Jamison 30
Walker 35 - Howard 15
Finley 33 - Delk 15
Nash 30 - Best 18

Murphy3 · 10-20-2003, 05:13 PM

could definitely handle that.
Dirk's minutes will probably be around 42+ in close games ..but, there will be enough blow outs to keep his minutes down.

I'd love to see Bradley on the court 20 minutes a night. Surely he would have to play significant minutes. The mavs need to have their only legit shot blocking presence in the game for considerable minutes night in and night out

LRB · 10-20-2003, 05:18 PM

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Originally posted by: kg_veteran
Given what Nelson just said in the press conference, this minute distribution and rotation sounds reasonable:

Fortson 20 - Bradley 20
Nowitzki 35 - Jamison 30
Walker 35 - Howard 15
Finley 33 - Delk 15
Nash 30 - Best 18

I rather like this distribution. Like Murphy I would love to see Bradley get 20 minutes a night. Bradley was playing great to start the season last year until Raef came back and stole his minutes. Of course Raef sucked, but Bardley couldn't get back to regular minutes until he had gone cold.

I might take some of Walkers minutes and give them to AJ. At least until Walker proves he won't shoot at a 38% clip from the field.

Mandyahl · 10-20-2003, 05:34 PM

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Originally posted by: kg_veteran
Given what Nelson just said in the press conference, this minute distribution and rotation sounds reasonable:

Fortson 20 - Bradley 20
Nowitzki 35 - Jamison 30
Walker 35 - Howard 15
Finley 33 - Delk 15
Nash 30 - Best 18

i'm confused...this doesn't add up, does it?

kg_veteran · 10-20-2003, 05:42 PM

Mandy, I think I have about 4 minutes too many out there. Take those 4 away from Fortson. [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif[/img]

LRB · 10-20-2003, 05:46 PM

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Originally posted by: kg_veteran
Mandy, I think I have about 4 minutes too many out there. Take those 4 away from Fortson. [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif[/img]

Still it would be nice if we could play 6 on 5 for four minutes a game. [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif[/img]

steponhens · 10-20-2003, 05:59 PM

As for where the scoring comes from off of the bench, why not Tony Delk? Did he not score 50+ points in a game before? I see him very similar to NVE.

I really like how the minute distrabution could work out. One of the problems for the Mav's last year was injuries and fatigue to their stars. Dirk with his knee/ ankle, Finley with his hamstring, and Nash with wearing down. Now all of them plus the Twan's will get to play less minutes and be very fresh for the playoffs.

With the lineup: by the end of the season I expect nellie to start Dirk, AJ, AW, Finley, and Nash. However, right now I expect Walker to come off of the bench until he gets acclimated with the system. With Nellie nobody ever knows what he is going to do with the lineup, but when you have awesome players like the Mav's do now I think he will find a way to play them all together.