06-29-2004, 12:40 AM
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Trade for Brian Grant
Here is my trade for Brian Grant. Grant takes over the role of the Fortson/Najera tandem for Mavs. Backup to Dirk, back up emergency center. Gives Miami and little more flexibility. Fortson can play center for them and give them all the RBs they got form Grant plus more. Delk gives them a veteran backup at PG/SG. Individually, it gives them 3 different pieces to trade. They have been trying to trade Grant for a long time with no takers.
Dallas trades: PF Danny Fortson (3.9 ppg, 4.5 rpg, 0.2 apg in 11.1 minutes)
SF Eduardo Najera (3.0 ppg, 2.7 rpg, 0.4 apg in 12.4 minutes)
PG Tony Delk (6.0 ppg, 1.8 rpg, 0.9 apg in 15.4 minutes)
Dallas receives: PF Brian Grant (8.7 ppg, 6.9 rpg, 0.9 apg in 30.3 minutes)
Change in team outlook: -4.2 ppg, -2.1 rpg, and -0.6 apg.
Miami trades: PF Brian Grant (8.7 ppg, 6.9 rpg, 0.9 apg in 30.3 minutes)
Miami receives: PF Danny Fortson (3.9 ppg, 4.5 rpg, 0.2 apg in 56 games)
SF Eduardo Najera (3.0 ppg, 2.7 rpg, 0.4 apg in 58 games)
PG Tony Delk (6.0 ppg, 1.8 rpg, 0.9 apg in 33 games)
Change in team outlook: +4.2 ppg, +2.1 rpg, and +0.6 apg.
TRADE ACCEPTED
Due to Dallas and Miami being over the cap, the 15% trade rule is invoked. Dallas and Miami had to be no more than 115% plus $100,000 of the salary given out for the trade to be accepted, which did happen here. This trade satisfies the provisions of the Collective Bargaining Agreement.
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06-29-2004, 12:44 AM
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RE: Trade for Brian Grant
I'd do it. He'd be tough to move again but if nothing better comes along that would definitely help us in the middle. He's just a more complete player than Eddie or Danny.
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06-29-2004, 12:51 AM
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RE:Trade for Brian Grant
He has 3 years left. So does Fortson. Najera has 4. We are no worse off in terms of contracts.
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06-29-2004, 12:56 AM
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RE: Trade for Brian Grant
We're no worse off for the first two years, I know. Third year he costs us more because Delk's contract would be up then. What I'm referring to, though, is the difficulty of moving an old, average player making 14 million dollars when he's not yet in the last year of his contract. Fortson and Najera would probably be easier to package out simply because they make less.
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06-29-2004, 01:48 AM
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RE:Trade for Brian Grant
Its not just the cost,a contract like Grant' is harder to move.
But still,Grant could be more efficient than any of them ever was.
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06-29-2004, 08:29 AM
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RE: Trade for Brian Grant
you only go looking at a player like grant as a last option
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06-29-2004, 04:29 PM
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RE:Trade for Brian Grant
He has nice hair, but not any better than Fortson's. Other than that, he's too old, too slow, too short and too expensive.
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06-29-2004, 08:10 PM
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RE:Trade for Brian Grant
I'm sorry but Miami isn't going to take our end of the bench drek for a valuable player like Grant. If our players had expiring contracts then maybe. But for THOSE guys - not a chance.
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06-29-2004, 09:02 PM
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RE:Trade for Brian Grant
Finally, MP stepped in to throw in the obvious.
Why the Hell would Miami want Fortson, Delk and Najera? Sure, Grant's overpaid, but he's much more valuable than any of the three Mavs listed.
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06-29-2004, 09:32 PM
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RE:Trade for Brian Grant
Why? Why, why, why, why!?!?!?
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06-29-2004, 09:46 PM
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RE:Trade for Brian Grant
I don't think I am really fond of giving up those 3 for a quicker version Fortson who is just quicker and who has a much larger contract.
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06-30-2004, 12:24 PM
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Old School Balla
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RE:Trade for Brian Grant
If all else failed in terms of moving Walker, would you trade Walker for Grant?
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06-30-2004, 12:29 PM
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RE:Trade for Brian Grant
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Originally posted by: kg_veteran
If all else failed in terms of moving Walker, would you trade Walker for Grant?
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Faster than it takes me to blink my eye. I would be filling out the trade papers so fast the league office would take a while approving the trade because my handwriting would be so un-readable. I would fly the papers personally to New York and knock on Sterns door at 2AM to hand deliver the papers...
So, yes.
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06-30-2004, 12:55 PM
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Old School Balla
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RE:Trade for Brian Grant
If you did that and signed your FAs:
C - Grant, Bradley, Laettner, Pavel
PF - Nowitzki, Fortson
SF - Finley, Howard
SG - Daniels, Stackhouse
PG - Nash, Harris
IR: Najera, Wahad, Delk
Cut: Steffansson
Rotation:
C - Grant 30, Bradley 18
PF - Nowitzki 38, Fortson 10
SF - Finley 30, Howard 18
SG - Daniels 30, Stackhouse 18
PG - Nash 30, Harris 18
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06-30-2004, 12:55 PM
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RE: Trade for Brian Grant
I don't think I'd do Walker for Grant unless the Heat sweetened the deal with a draft choice. After all, they'd be saving all kinds of money, clearing all kinds of cap space, trading old for young, and getting a 3-time all-star for a no-time all-star. Barring that, I'd prefer to do a deal involving L8 (say, L8, Eddie and Delk, or L8 and TAW) since it would help get the Mavs roster under control.
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06-30-2004, 01:00 PM
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RE:Trade for Brian Grant
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Originally posted by: grndmstr_c
I don't think I'd do Walker for Grant unless the Heat sweetened the deal with a draft choice. After all, they'd be saving all kinds of money, clearing all kinds of cap space, trading old for young, and getting a 3-time all-star for a no-time all-star. Barring that, I'd prefer to do a deal involving L8 (say, L8, Eddie and Delk, or L8 and TAW) since it would help get the Mavs roster under control.
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I know Grant isn't thought of too highly here, but he is the Heat's starting center. They're not going to deal him for a bunch of spare parts.
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06-30-2004, 01:11 PM
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RE: Trade for Brian Grant
I actually think well of him, and I don't know that they would do that deal, but I can at least see L8's expiring contract as being a temptation given how overpaid Grant is.
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-Dirk Nowitzki on Jason Terry, after JET's 16 point 4th quarter against the Pacers.
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06-30-2004, 01:20 PM
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RE:Trade for Brian Grant
If they lure Mark Blount with the MLE, they might be more apt to consider the package you're talking about.
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06-30-2004, 01:39 PM
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RE: Trade for Brian Grant
One other thing we might have going for us in such a trade is that they've got a short roster next season (only 6 guys under contract) without much cap room to fill it out; a 1 for 3 trade could be just what the doctor ordered for them. I agree they'd definitely have to get one of the center "prizes" off the FA market before they'd take a serious look at it, though. It'd be well short of the blockbuster everyone's been expecting, but the resulting Dallas lineup would be well balanced and ridiculously deep:
Nash/Harris
Quis/Stack
Fin/JHo
Dirk/Walker
Grant/Bradley
with TAW (assuming here we did L8, Eddie, Delk), Fort, Jon, and Pod rounding it out. Then you've still got one more roster spot to use on a developmental center, Tag, or Avery.
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06-30-2004, 02:50 PM
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RE: Trade for Brian Grant
Grant is much too much like Fortson, undersized, and not great D.
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06-30-2004, 03:01 PM
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RE: Trade for Brian Grant
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Grant is much too much like Fortson, undersized, and not great D.
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You have no clue what you're talking about. Grant's not a shot-blocker, but he's a very good post defender. Furthermore, unlike Fortson he's got a good midrange jumper.
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-Dirk Nowitzki on Jason Terry, after JET's 16 point 4th quarter against the Pacers.
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06-30-2004, 04:17 PM
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RE:Trade for Brian Grant
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Originally posted by: kg_veteran
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Originally posted by: grndmstr_c
I don't think I'd do Walker for Grant unless the Heat sweetened the deal with a draft choice. After all, they'd be saving all kinds of money, clearing all kinds of cap space, trading old for young, and getting a 3-time all-star for a no-time all-star. Barring that, I'd prefer to do a deal involving L8 (say, L8, Eddie and Delk, or L8 and TAW) since it would help get the Mavs roster under control.
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I know Grant isn't thought of too highly here, but he is the Heat's starting center. They're not going to deal him for a bunch of spare parts.
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They DID put him on their list for the Bobcats to take. They would have received instant savings, but no player. Walker gives them a player for a year, and then savings at the end of the year. Oops, you're talking about spare parts here, not Walker...I wouldn't deal for him. One of the reasons he left the WC was to get away from the big 4s and centers that he had to guard. I can't imagine him wanting to renew that role.
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06-30-2004, 04:25 PM
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RE:Trade for Brian Grant
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Originally posted by: kg_veteran
If all else failed in terms of moving Walker, would you trade Walker for Grant?
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Not at this time. I would wait on moving Walker if he cannot be moved now in a package for a starting center.
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06-30-2004, 04:28 PM
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RE:Trade for Brian Grant
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Originally posted by: FineCubanCigar
Grant is much too much like Fortson, undersized, and not great D.
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Unlike Fortson, Grant is very much a defender (ask Shaq). The fact that he is a defender is the reason that I presented the proposal in the first place.
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06-30-2004, 04:40 PM
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RE:Trade for Brian Grant
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Originally posted by: kg_veteran
If they lure Mark Blount with the MLE, they might be more apt to consider the package you're talking about.
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Man....I would love it if we could somehow get Blount in here. He is the ideal upgrade (if Shaq truly is out) for this team.
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07-01-2004, 08:12 AM
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RE:Trade for Brian Grant
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Originally posted by: Jeremiah
Quote:
Originally posted by: kg_veteran
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Originally posted by: grndmstr_c
I don't think I'd do Walker for Grant unless the Heat sweetened the deal with a draft choice. After all, they'd be saving all kinds of money, clearing all kinds of cap space, trading old for young, and getting a 3-time all-star for a no-time all-star. Barring that, I'd prefer to do a deal involving L8 (say, L8, Eddie and Delk, or L8 and TAW) since it would help get the Mavs roster under control.
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I know Grant isn't thought of too highly here, but he is the Heat's starting center. They're not going to deal him for a bunch of spare parts.
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They DID put him on their list for the Bobcats to take. They would have received instant savings, but no player. Walker gives them a player for a year, and then savings at the end of the year. Oops, you're talking about spare parts here, not Walker...I wouldn't deal for him. One of the reasons he left the WC was to get away from the big 4s and centers that he had to guard. I can't imagine him wanting to renew that role.
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