New York Is Itchining To Do A Deal...

[XERXES]

Zeke (according to several papers) feels like he has to make a splashy trade to make a statement in the wake of the Heat (their coference rival) trading for Shaq.

So...

Dallas trades: PF Antoine Walker (14.0 ppg, 8.3 rpg, 4.5 apg in 34.6 minutes)
Dallas receives: C Nazr Mohammed (7.4 ppg, 5.9 rpg, 0.5 apg in 20.1 minutes)
C Kurt Thomas (11.1 ppg, 8.3 rpg, 1.9 apg in 31.9 minutes)
PG Moochie Norris (3.5 ppg, 1.0 rpg, 1.8 apg in 12.8 minutes)
Change in team outlook: +8.0 ppg, +6.9 rpg, and -0.3 apg.

New York trades: C Nazr Mohammed (7.4 ppg, 5.9 rpg, 0.5 apg in 20.1 minutes)
C Kurt Thomas (11.1 ppg, 8.3 rpg, 1.9 apg in 31.9 minutes)
PG Moochie Norris (3.5 ppg, 1.0 rpg, 1.8 apg in 12.8 minutes)
New York receives: PF Antoine Walker (14.0 ppg, 8.3 rpg, 4.5 apg in 82 games)
Change in team outlook: -8.0 ppg, -6.9 rpg, and +0.3 apg.

TRADE ACCEPTED


Dallas does this for obvious reasons. They get rid of Walker, they get a PG, and they get a serviceable low post defender and rebounder in Nazr...and they get KT...

NY does this to bring in a proven scorer and get rid of a bad contract in norris.

????

[XERXES]

Actually- I just read in Espn Insider that the deal on the table (according to "sources") is:

Mavs trade: Finley, JHo, Antoine Walker
Mavs get: Vince, KT, Moochie, and Shandon Anderson

Raptors trade: Vince, Jerome Moisu
Raptors get: Finley & JHo

Knicks Trade: KT, Anderson, Norris
Knicks Get: Antoine Walker & Jerome Moisu

[SaltwaterChaffy]

Yeah, I just read this on Insider.

I think I do this trade.

As much as I love the guy, if we can move Finley's disgusting contract for a legitimate star, you do it. Plus the addition by subtraction of losing Walker and gaining Thomas is excellent. Thomas would fit in well of the bench. As in all of these deals, losing Howard hurts, but he's probably our best "trade sweetener."

[aexchange]

can someone post the article please?

[uberfan]

Originally posted by: XERXES
Zeke (according to several papers) feels like he has to make a splashy trade to make a statement in the wake of the Heat (their coference rival) trading for Shaq.

So...

Dallas trades: PF Antoine Walker (14.0 ppg, 8.3 rpg, 4.5 apg in 34.6 minutes)
Dallas receives: C Nazr Mohammed (7.4 ppg, 5.9 rpg, 0.5 apg in 20.1 minutes)
C Kurt Thomas (11.1 ppg, 8.3 rpg, 1.9 apg in 31.9 minutes)
PG Moochie Norris (3.5 ppg, 1.0 rpg, 1.8 apg in 12.8 minutes)
Change in team outlook: +8.0 ppg, +6.9 rpg, and -0.3 apg.

New York trades: C Nazr Mohammed (7.4 ppg, 5.9 rpg, 0.5 apg in 20.1 minutes)
C Kurt Thomas (11.1 ppg, 8.3 rpg, 1.9 apg in 31.9 minutes)
PG Moochie Norris (3.5 ppg, 1.0 rpg, 1.8 apg in 12.8 minutes)
New York receives: PF Antoine Walker (14.0 ppg, 8.3 rpg, 4.5 apg in 82 games)
Change in team outlook: -8.0 ppg, -6.9 rpg, and +0.3 apg.

TRADE ACCEPTED


Dallas does this for obvious reasons. They get rid of Walker, they get a PG, and they get a serviceable low post defender and rebounder in Nazr...and they get KT...

NY does this to bring in a proven scorer and get rid of a bad contract in norris.

????

I like the basic idea. Taking into account the most recent rumors regarding VC, let's expand by 2 players to this.




Dallas trades: SF Josh Howard (8.6 ppg, 5.5 rpg, 1.5 apg in 23.7 minutes)
PF Danny Fortson (3.9 ppg, 4.5 rpg, 0.2 apg in 11.1 minutes)
PF Antoine Walker (14.0 ppg, 8.3 rpg, 4.5 apg in 34.6 minutes)
SG Michael Finley (18.6 ppg, 4.5 rpg, 2.9 apg in 38.6 minutes)
Dallas receives: SF Shandon Anderson (7.9 ppg, 2.8 rpg, 1.5 apg in 24.6 minutes)
C Kurt Thomas (11.1 ppg, 8.3 rpg, 1.9 apg in 31.9 minutes)
C Nazr Mohammed (7.4 ppg, 5.9 rpg, 0.5 apg in 20.1 minutes)
PG Moochie Norris (3.5 ppg, 1.0 rpg, 1.8 apg in 12.8 minutes)
SF Vince Carter (22.5 ppg, 4.8 rpg, 4.8 apg in 38.1 minutes)
Change in team outlook: +7.3 ppg, 0.0 rpg, and +1.4 apg.

New York trades: SF Shandon Anderson (7.9 ppg, 2.8 rpg, 1.5 apg in 24.6 minutes)
C Kurt Thomas (11.1 ppg, 8.3 rpg, 1.9 apg in 31.9 minutes)
C Nazr Mohammed (7.4 ppg, 5.9 rpg, 0.5 apg in 20.1 minutes)
PG Moochie Norris (3.5 ppg, 1.0 rpg, 1.8 apg in 12.8 minutes)
New York receives: PF Danny Fortson (3.9 ppg, 4.5 rpg, 0.2 apg in 56 games)
PF Antoine Walker (14.0 ppg, 8.3 rpg, 4.5 apg in 82 games)
PF Jerome Moiso (2.9 ppg, 3.2 rpg, 0.2 apg in 35 games)
Change in team outlook: -9.1 ppg, -2.0 rpg, and -0.8 apg.

Toronto trades: SF Vince Carter (22.5 ppg, 4.8 rpg, 4.8 apg in 38.1 minutes)
PF Jerome Moiso (2.9 ppg, 3.2 rpg, 0.2 apg in 11.9 minutes)
Toronto receives: SF Josh Howard (8.6 ppg, 5.5 rpg, 1.5 apg in 67 games)
SG Michael Finley (18.6 ppg, 4.5 rpg, 2.9 apg in 72 games)
Change in team outlook: +1.8 ppg, +2.0 rpg, and -0.6 apg.

TRADE ACCEPTED

Due to Dallas, New York, and Toronto being over the cap, the 15% trade rule is invoked. Dallas, New York, and Toronto had to be no more than 115% plus $100,000 of the salary given out for the trade to be accepted, which did happen here. This trade satisfies the provisions of the Collective Bargaining Agreement.

[SaltwaterChaffy]

Originally posted by: aexchange
can someone post the article please?

One of our Insider folks will have to do it. Chumdawg or someone with Opera, I guess? IE doesn't let you copy Insider articles.

[kg_veteran]

Originally posted by: aexchange
can someone post the article please?

I think this is it.


Carter to the Mavericks?

For the second straight day there was serious talk that Dallas was closing in on a trade for Vince Carter, despite the fact Raptors GM Rob Babcock sounded Wednesday like he didn't want to trade his only star.

"Any trade that would be entertained would only be a trade that makes us a better basketball team," Babcock told the Toronto Star. "I'm not going to make a trade just to trade Vince because of what's said in the newspapers. ... It's not going to happen unless it's a good deal for our team. I'll look after our team first, that's the most important thing."

The deal, according to sources, would send Carter, Kurt Thomas, Shandon Anderson and Moochie Norris to the Mavericks. Michael Finley and Josh Howard would go to the Raptors. Antoine Walker and Jerome Moiso would go to the Knicks.

The deal works for the Mavericks and Knicks. Carter is younger than Finley and a better draw at the box office, even if their basketball skills are relatively equal. Thomas gives the Mavericks much-needed toughness up front. Anderson and Norris have terrible contracts, but at least both players could be contributors in Dallas.

The Knicks would shed three bad contracts and get back two players who could come off the payroll next year. That may not be Isiah's intention, however. Thomas has been in hot pursuit of Walker all summer and reportedly wants to keep him.

The deal makes less sense for the Raptors. While Finley is a model citizen and one of the top two guards in the league, he's 31 and coming off his worst season in six years. Nagging injuries have taken their toll. He just isn't worth the money he's making anymore (four more years, $66.4 million). You can't trade away the franchise for a guy like Finley, no matter how hard he plays. Including Howard in the deal makes it more palatable, but it's still not enough to make sense for the Raptors.

[madape]

Moochie Norris is overpaid, but he's a good backup point. I remember a couple of years ago before he became a free agent, Don Nelson had some very nice things to say about him. I think we may have even pursued him. We need veteran help at point from someone young enough to actually play basketball (ie, someone not named Avery Johnson). Moochie can provide that.

Shannon Anderson, of course, is a pile of poop.

BTW - what the hell is Ford smoking when he says Finley and Carter are relatively equal? That's just plain nuts!

[MavsFanFinley]

The Raptors will be creating a logjam of their own with 2/3's. Finley/Howard/Petterson/Rose to name a few. They've also added Rafer Alston to run point so it switches the roster around again.

I can't even figure out there depth chart:

Bosh/Araujo/Archibald
Marshall/Miralles
Howard/Peterson/Murray
Finley/Rose/Mason
Alston/Williams/Palacio

(edit: forgot to add the 2 draft picks. They have another center and pf.)

[dalmations202]

I think to expound on this ----

Golden State trades: PG Nick Van Exel (12.6 ppg, 2.7 rpg, 5.3 apg in 32.2 minutes)
Golden State receives: PF Christian Laettner (5.9 ppg, 4.8 rpg, 1.9 apg in 20.5

minutes)
C Kurt Thomas (11.1 ppg, 8.3 rpg, 1.9 apg in 31.9 minutes)
Change in team outlook: +4.4 ppg, +10.4 rpg, and -1.5 apg.

Dallas trades: PF Antoine Walker (14.0 ppg, 8.3 rpg, 4.5 apg in 34.6 minutes)
SG Michael Finley (18.6 ppg, 4.5 rpg, 2.9 apg in 38.6 minutes)
PF Christian Laettner (5.9 ppg, 4.8 rpg, 1.9 apg in 20.5 minutes)
SF Josh Howard (8.6 ppg, 5.5 rpg, 1.5 apg in 23.7 minutes)
Dallas receives: PG Nick Van Exel (12.6 ppg, 2.7 rpg, 5.3 apg in 39 games)
SF Shandon Anderson (7.9 ppg, 2.8 rpg, 1.5 apg in 80 games)
C Nazr Mohammed (7.4 ppg, 5.9 rpg, 0.5 apg in 80 games)
SF Vince Carter (22.5 ppg, 4.8 rpg, 4.8 apg in 73 games)
Change in team outlook: +3.3 ppg, -6.9 rpg, and +1.3 apg.

New York trades: SF Shandon Anderson (7.9 ppg, 2.8 rpg, 1.5 apg in 24.6 minutes)
C Kurt Thomas (11.1 ppg, 8.3 rpg, 1.9 apg in 31.9 minutes)
C Nazr Mohammed (7.4 ppg, 5.9 rpg, 0.5 apg in 20.1 minutes)
New York receives: PF Antoine Walker (14.0 ppg, 8.3 rpg, 4.5 apg in 82 games)
PF Jerome Moiso (2.9 ppg, 3.2 rpg, 0.2 apg in 35 games)
Change in team outlook: -9.5 ppg, -5.5 rpg, and +0.8 apg.

Toronto trades: SF Vince Carter (22.5 ppg, 4.8 rpg, 4.8 apg in 38.1 minutes)
PF Jerome Moiso (2.9 ppg, 3.2 rpg, 0.2 apg in 11.9 minutes)
Toronto receives: SG Michael Finley (18.6 ppg, 4.5 rpg, 2.9 apg in 72 games)
SF Josh Howard (8.6 ppg, 5.5 rpg, 1.5 apg in 67 games)
Change in team outlook: +1.8 ppg, +2.0 rpg, and -0.6 apg.

TRADE ACCEPTED

GS - gets rid of NVE contract, and picks up a backup to Foyle who can play, with a mid level contract in KT, and a expiring in L8

Toronto - Finley and Howard -- (might need a draft pick and 3M? ?) .

NY - Gets some talent, and an expiring contract in Walker

Dal - get Vince, Gets NVE, and gets a Big in Nazr
----------------------

NVE, Harris, AJ
Daniels, Stackhouse, Stefansson
Carter, Anderson, TAW
Nowitzki, Fortson, Najera
Nazr, Bradley, Bengz

I'd do it for this one.

Delk would need to be moved.

[MavsFanFinley]

BTW - what the hell is Ford smoking when he says Finley and Carter are relatively equal? That's just plain nuts!

I'm assuming he means stats when you compare across the board:

Finley - 39.5mpg, 45%fg, 36.5%(3pt), 80.6%ft, 19.3ppg, 5.2rpg, 3.8apg, 1.2spg, 1.97tpg

Carter - 37.9mpg, 44.7%fg, 38.6%(3pt), 78.6%ft, 23.8ppg, 5.3rpg, 3.9apg, 1.3spg, 2.37tpg

Obviously, Carter is the bigger name draw and has youth on his side. Otherwise, they're pretty even when it comes to stats.

[kg_veteran]

I'd make Ford's suggested trade. Still, sooner or later you've got to reduce the roster size. This trade and the Avery Johnson signing would bring the roster up to 17 signed players (Podkolzin and Flores haven't signed yet). You figure Podkolzin will sign; Flores won't. So you need to find a way to eliminate three guys from the roster if you make this deal. You could cut Steffansson to get it down to 17. I guess at that point you have to go to Atlanta or somebody and just offer up Fortson and Delk or somesuch in exchange for a second rounder.

[Poindexter Einstein]

I can see 2-for-1s

...for Big Z (CLE doesnt want him by all accounts) -how about Fortson plus Laettner, in August?
...for BigDog Robinson (out of favor in Phily, who needs talent) - how about Stefansson, Najera, TAW, cash? TAW has on court value outside of Dallas) ...or Moochie Norris+TAW works also.

[Jamisonite]

Remember guys...we have 18 players on our roster....in whatever trade we do we need to be getting rid of more players than we get in return

[uberfan]

Originally posted by: Jamisonite
Remember guys...we have 18 players on our roster....in whatever trade we do we need to be getting rid of more players than we get in return

If today was October 30 instead of July 15, I would worry about the size of the roster. Until then it doesn't matter.

[kg_veteran]

Originally posted by: Poindexter Einstein
I can see 2-for-1s

...for Big Z (CLE doesnt want him by all accounts) -how about Fortson plus Laettner, in August?
...for BigDog Robinson (out of favor in Phily, who needs talent) - how about Stefansson, Najera, TAW, cash? TAW has on court value outside of Dallas) ...or Moochie Norris+TAW works also.

Factor in both of these deals:

C: Ilgauskas, Bradley, Benga
PF: Nowitzki, Thomas
SF: Carter, Robinson, Anderson
SG: Daniels, Stackhouse
PG: Harris, Norris

IR: Pavel, Johnson, Delk


Rotation:

Ilgauskas 28 - Thomas 20
Nowitzki 38 - Thomas 10
Carter 35 - Anderson 13
Daniels 18 - Stackhouse 30
Harris 30 - Daniels 18


That's a team that competes for a title right now. And the secondary beauty of it all? We still have over 26m in expiring deals.

[dalmations202]

Originally posted by: kg_veteran

Factor in both of these deals:

C: Ilgauskas, Bradley, Benga
PF: Nowitzki, Thomas
SF: Carter, Robinson, Anderson
SG: Daniels, Stackhouse
PG: Harris, Norris

IR: Pavel, Johnson, Delk


Rotation:

Ilgauskas 28 - Thomas 20
Nowitzki 38 - Thomas 10
Carter 35 - Anderson 13
Daniels 18 - Stackhouse 30
Harris 30 - Daniels 18


That's a team that competes for a title right now. And the secondary beauty of it all? We still have over 26m in expiring deals.

I'm game. Get it done

[FolterKammer84]

the
Illgauskas
Dirk
carter
daniels
harris
lineup would be worse defensively than last years lineup. but it would be a damn good one offensively

[grndmstr_c]

the
Illgauskas
Dirk
carter
daniels
harris
lineup would be worse defensively than last years lineup. but it would be a damn good one offensively

Huh?! Z is a better shotblocker than either Dirk or Walker. Dirk would play his natural position, which is where he's best defensively. No way Vince would be worse than Fin/Walker/Jamison. Daniels at the 2 can be solid. Harris should be better than Nash.