07-20-2007, 11:58 AM
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Originally Posted by StackAttack
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Nashie's got to be next.
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07-20-2007, 12:00 PM
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wow!
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07-20-2007, 12:01 PM
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The whole deal is Kurt Thomas, the Suns' 2008 first round pick, the Suns' 2010 first round pick for a conditional second rounder and a trade exception.
That is absolutely insane.
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07-20-2007, 12:01 PM
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IMO, that's a huge blow unless they really have a KG deal soon.
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07-20-2007, 12:04 PM
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What a terrible owner they have!!!!!
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07-20-2007, 12:06 PM
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Thomas goes to the Seattle SuperSonics, along with the Suns' own 2008 and 2010 first-round draft picks in exchange for a future conditional 2nd round pick and a trade exception, worth about $8 million.
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Jesus what's next.....
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Suns trade Nash, Staudamire, Raja Bell, Barboso, Marion, Diaw, first round draft picks in 2009, 2011 and 2012, Coach Mike Dantoni and the Suns gorilla mascot to the Knicks for a conditional 2nd round draft pick in 2014 and a $10 million dollar trade exception.
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Last edited by MavsWiLLHaVeRinGs; 07-20-2007 at 12:11 PM.
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07-20-2007, 12:12 PM
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So let's see.... the Sonics now have Chris Wilcox, Nick Collison, and Kurt Thomas at PF. They have Petro, Sene, and Swift at the 5. Something's gotta give. They're not done yet.
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07-20-2007, 12:31 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Stranger
The whole deal is Kurt Thomas, the Suns' 2008 first round pick, the Suns' 2010 first round pick for a conditional second rounder and a trade exception.
That is absolutely insane.
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Agreed. I don't understand what Phoenix is doing. I know some are speculating that this move is to prepare for the arrival of KG, but how exactly do you put together a desirable package for Minnesota without 1st round picks? It would have to be a three or four team deal, and if that's the case, they're treading on dangerous ground making a move like this because they are then dependent on other teams not backing out. If the other team/teams do back out and their deal falls apart, they gave up all of that for what?
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07-20-2007, 12:41 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by dude1394
Nashie's got to be next.
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Nah... you're thinking of the Mavericks. They are the ones who let Nash go for nothing for salary cap reasons.
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07-20-2007, 12:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Darth Ape
Nah... you're thinking of the Mavericks. They are the ones who let Nash go for nothing for salary cap reasons.
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Did we let Nash go again or are you still talking about 2004?
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07-20-2007, 12:46 PM
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2010 pick? idiots! is that even legal. What do the rules say about trading picks that are in the future away!?
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07-20-2007, 12:48 PM
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Originally Posted by MavsX
2010 pick? idiots! is that even legal. What do the rules say about trading picks that are in the future away!?
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I think you can trade 3-4 years in the future, just not consecutive years in the same trade or something.
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07-20-2007, 12:49 PM
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thnx to steve kerr. the new GM..
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07-20-2007, 01:17 PM
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I'd really love me some Collison or Wilcox, considering there's clearly not enough PT for the two of them AND Thomas.
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07-20-2007, 01:22 PM
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is the 2008 pick from phoenix or atlanta?
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07-20-2007, 01:31 PM
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For those keeping score at home, in the last month suns nation has gone from being the front runners for landing KG to having sold off three 1st round draft picks and given away their best option for guarding Tim Duncan. Nice offseason they have going. I'm sure Grant Hill feels really good about his decision right about now.
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07-20-2007, 01:39 PM
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I don't know if I care anymore, it's hard to see an organization that is completely driven by money...
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07-20-2007, 02:49 PM
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Originally Posted by nashtymavsfan13
I don't know if I care anymore, it's hard to see an organization that is completely driven by money...
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Giggle.
That wasn't a dig was it? I detect some shovels at work here.
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07-20-2007, 02:51 PM
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That $8M exception is interesting. Maybe the Suns are planning to go after a FA that is left on the board. Varejo?
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07-20-2007, 03:52 PM
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You can't use a trade exception for a FA. I guess it can be used for a S&T, but it can't be packaged with anything else, so there would either have to be two deals, or another team S&T someone just to get a trade exception of their own. And again, since a trade exception cannot be packaged with anything else, this is useless in acquiring KG.
It must be sad to see this crap as a Suns fan. Should also make people tone down their whining about Cuban not being willing to spend enough money. I'm just utterly amazed that the Suns would do this. They basically PAID Seattle two of their next three 1st-round picks to take Kurt Thomas's contract. Wow. I hope that team has a fire sale and just keeps unloading all their players--preferably to the East.
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07-20-2007, 04:03 PM
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I can see giving away Kurt Thomas, but giving two first rounders for that?
It is really delicious though after the reemergence of all the anti-Cuban crew.
Last edited by EricaLubarsky; 07-20-2007 at 04:03 PM.
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07-20-2007, 04:13 PM
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Agreed. You want to give up Kurt Thomas for nothing, to save money, go right ahead. But to give up TWO first-rounders just to get someone to take him? That's really sad.
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07-20-2007, 05:17 PM
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Honestly, Mavs, Spurs, Rockets and even Lakers and Jazz fans should be thrilled. With Colangelo gone, the Phoenix front office is destroying that franchise. Once Nash declines it's over for them. They'll be left with a horrible team and no future because they've traded all their picks away. As soon as Nash is done, there will be one less team in the West to have to worry about.
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07-21-2007, 02:48 PM
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The Suns did it for the 8 mil exception. They are obviously not done in the free agent market. Maybe a large sign and trade. KG??? J. Oneil???? Hmmmmm....
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07-21-2007, 03:33 PM
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Minnesota said the other day they have decided to stay with KG and will look to trade other pieces. So let's just end all of this KG talk shall we?
If it was going to happen it would of happened already. Expect KG in a Timberwolves uniform at the start of the season.
Last edited by MavsWiLLHaVeRinGs; 07-21-2007 at 03:34 PM.
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07-21-2007, 04:13 PM
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the trade exception cannot be used with anything else and it cannot be used to sign a player.
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07-22-2007, 12:20 PM
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The deal sort of makes sense. A 8 million dollar trade exception is worth a lot more than Kurt Thomas IMO. The first round picks aren't really that valuable. The Suns usually get rid of their rookies anyway. They didn't give up ATL's pick though did they? That's the only valuable pick they have. I imagine that's going to be dealt this offseason as well.
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07-22-2007, 12:46 PM
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Good deal for Sarver... bad deal for the Suns.
Last edited by V2M; 07-22-2007 at 02:10 PM.
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