Cold wave in India attributed to global warming

[FishForLunch]

Now its getting absurd. Take your global warming scares and shove it.

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Tuesday, 12 February , 2008, 21:58
Mumbai: The recent cold wave sweeping across Mumbai and other parts of India could be attributed to global warming, experts said on Tuesday here at an environmental conference.

Addressing the ‘Combat Global Warming’ conference at the Indian Merchants Chamber (IMC) here, former Union minister for power and environment Suresh Prabhu said global warming was primarily a problem created and induced by human beings.

He said the increase in emission of green house gases like carbon dioxide, nitrogen oxide and methane had resulted in the situation, which could prove catastrophic if unchecked.

Prabhu said the cold wave that swept Maharashtra and other parts of India recently could be attributed to the phenomenon of global warming.

He said global warming had already affected agriculture and water availability in various parts of the country. "A recent study revealed that 70 percent of India's water bodies are polluted," Prabhu said.

The former minister said India was one of the world's top five polluters, which also include the US, European nations and Japan.

IMC president Niraj Bajaj said the fluctuating climatic conditions due to global warming posed a threat to the very survival of the planet.

To drive home his point, he quoted Mahatma Gandhi: "You must be the change you wish to see in the world."

Environmental scientist Emmanuel D'Silva said Mumbai and Kolkata were among the ten worst cities in the world with regard to environmental pollution and sanitation.

"It is estimated by the year 2050, another seven million persons are expected to take refuge in Mumbai after global warming leads to either a drought or deluge in their village or city elsewhere in the country," D'Silva said.

[Dr.Zoidberg]

It´s not absurd, as a global warming will cause a relocation of the climatic zones. Also, why always opening a "new" thread to the same topic, particularly because this subitem was already discussed in the "Global warming crowd takes a break" thread?

[dude1394]

Pretty good gig if you can get it.

Record heat - Global Warming
Record cold - Global Warming
Record hurricanes - Global Warming
No more hurricanes than usual - ooops...gotta work on that one.

[Motofoto]

Don't you guys think climate change has become too politicized? Science in general has become too politicized?

[dalmations202]

HAARP ????

[dude1394]

Originally Posted by Motofoto

Don't you guys think climate change has become too politicized? Science in general has become too politicized?

Tremendously. Scientists reputations have really taken a beating, deservedly so.

[Underdog]

Originally Posted by Motofoto

Don't you guys think climate change has become too politicized? Science in general has become too politicized?

What did you expect - if science is the new religion, then what makes people think it's less susceptible to corruption than any other religion?

How quickly Americans forget that Separation of Church & State not only protects government from being corrupted by religion, but also protects religion from being corrupted by government... Science will be used to manipulate governmental policy the same way the Catholic Church used religion to manipulate Europe's governments during the Dark Ages...

[mcsluggo]

y'know.... right wingers really DO sound like lunatics on this issue.

Yes, people are gonna blurt out "global warming" in ANY instance that relates to the weather (as ONE LOW LEVEL INDIAN POLITICIAN apparently did, to spur this thread), sometimes inappropriately... this happens with ANY "buzz-word".

And, Yes, the science is still evolving on this subject, so some of the wide-flung claims probably will prove to be overly pessimisic (or optimistic, dependening on your bent).

But the "bla bla bla, I'm plugging my ears, and I'm not going to listen, because scientists are all radical zealots with an agenda" that permeates this and other threads on the subject borders on the theater of the absurd.

there are legit "shades of grey" arguments that can be made (such HOW BIG the global warming problem really is, and what HOW BIG measures to combat it are really economically feasible)... but the "it doesn't exist, and scientists are zombie zealots for the other side" tact makes conservatives look like baffoons.


Personally, I am fairly agnostic on the issue. I am not certain how big the problem really will turn out to be, nor am I certain what level of action is economically feasible... IT CALLS FOR MORE SCIENTIFIC INQUIRY, just the sort that is going on. Scientists posit a hypothisis, and then present data/evidence to butress their argument. Fortunately, the single BEST way to make a real big name in science is to present solid evidence that refutes widely held hypotheses ... the incentives are all out there for the people that DO go against the stream AS LONG AS THEY ARE GOOD SCIENTISTS and successful.

THe problem is that most of the "scientists" that the "Idontbelieveinglobalwarming" crowd love to present as evidence of the fact that the big bad scientific zealot community is bullying pure seekers of truth, have proven to be looney, crappy, scientists. THe scientific meathod is a damn good way of arriving at the truth, eventually. in the mean time there will be swings to and fro, and some wild hypothesis and grossly exagerated projections... its the way it moves the ball down the field and gets to the next gerneration of more refined, better answers. You have to test a bunch of WRONG hypotheses before you can refine the hypotheses that the data FAILS to reject.

[Underdog]

Originally Posted by mcsluggo

y'know.... right wingers really DO sound like lunatics on this issue.

Yes, people are gonna blurt out "global warming" in ANY instance that relates to the weather (as ONE LOW LEVEL INDIAN POLITICIAN apparently did, to spur this thread), sometimes inappropriately... this happens with ANY "buzz-word".

And, Yes, the science is still evolving on this subject, so some of the wide-flung claims probably will prove to be overly pessimisic (or optimistic, dependening on your bent).

But the "bla bla bla, I'm plugging my ears, and I'm not going to listen, because scientists are all radical zealots with an agenda" that permeates this and other threads on the subject borders on the theater of the absurd.

there are legit "shades of grey" arguments that can be made (such HOW BIG the global warming problem really is, and what HOW BIG measures to combat it are really economically feasible)... but the "it doesn't exist, and scientists are zombie zealots for the other side" tact makes conservatives look like baffoons.


Personally, I am fairly agnostic on the issue. I am not certain how big the problem really will turn out to be, nor am I certain what level of action is economically feasible... IT CALLS FOR MORE SCIENTIFIC INQUIRY, just the sort that is going on. Scientists posit a hypothisis, and then present data/evidence to butress their argument. Fortunately, the single BEST way to make a real big name in science is to present solid evidence that refutes widely held hypotheses ... the incentives are all out there for the people that DO go against the stream AS LONG AS THEY ARE GOOD SCIENTISTS and successful.

THe problem is that most of the "scientists" that the "Idontbelieveinglobalwarming" crowd love to present as evidence of the fact that the big bad scientific zealot community is bullying pure seekers of truth, have proven to be looney, crappy, scientists. THe scientific meathod is a damn good way of arriving at the truth, eventually. in the mean time there will be swings to and fro, and some wild hypothesis and grossly exagerated projections... its the way it moves the ball down the field and gets to the next gerneration of more refined, better answers. You have to test a bunch of WRONG hypotheses before you can refine the hypotheses that the data FAILS to reject.

A lot of scientists tribute global warming to the solar cycles... As a matter of fact, a lot of them say that we were in a cycle of global warming from 1985-2005, now we're starting a cycle of global cooling...

The temperatures are shifting, no doubt, but who's to say that humans are solely responsible? I know who - the guy who wants you to foot the bill to "fix" the problem...

I agree that we need more research, but certain politicians seem to be all too quick to blame the problem on human industry & propose an expensive solution to the problem... It doesn't matter if the "solution" works or not - as long as we pay for it (like cancer research - seriously, is another million dollars toward "research" going to change the fact that the pharmaceutical industry is more interested in providing treatments than cures???)

[dude1394]

And in other news...Global warming continues to create unprecedented freezing of sea ice.
Heh..
http://www.cbc.ca/technology/story/2...rctic-ice.html

There's an upside to the extreme cold temperatures northern Canadians have endured in the last few weeks: scientists say it's been helping winter sea ice grow across the Arctic, where the ice shrank to record-low levels last year.

Temperatures have stayed well in the -30s C and -40s C range since late January throughout the North, with the mercury dipping past -50 C in some areas.

Satellite images are showing that the cold spell is helping the sea ice expand in coverage by about 2 million square kilometres, compared to the average winter coverage in the previous three years.

"It's nice to know that the ice is recovering," Josefino Comiso, a senior research scientist with the Cryospheric Sciences Branch of NASA's Goddard Space Flight Centre in Maryland, told CBC News on Thursday.

"That means that maybe the perennial ice would not go down as low as last year."

Canadian scientists are also noticing growing ice coverage in most areas of the Arctic, including the southern Davis Strait and the Beaufort Sea.

[Usually Lurkin]

I know you guys are mocking the global warming hypothesis, but if you understood it, you'd understand that sometimes when the termperatures go down, it's global warming. It's only when the temperatures go up that it's global warming. duh.

[dude1394]

dammit...this global warming is a biyatch...It's messing up all of the beaches.


http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/20...roplis-in.html

[Janett_Reno]

And dude you keep on hating don't you? You spew hate to A Gore, the Clinton's, John Edwards, Kerry, Any Kennedy, Obama, and any Democrat but you also suck up to Rudy that is a Democrat, Libberman that is an Independent, Repulican and Democrat and speak of what a wonderful conservative you are. Then you jump all over McCain telling people what an awful man he is but then you jump on the band wagon when your Democrat Rudy falls flat on his face. Us wonderful hardcore conservatives need to kiss on and embrace lockjaw McCain because of the great conservative he is but remember dude just a few months ago how you hated McCain because he wasn't a conservative? You jump on and off to many band wagons. I would rather you keep telling me what a great man Rudy is than you trying to preach how conservative McCain is.

You go around preaching about the greatness of what is happening and happened in Iraq and preach that global warming is a lie. You also agree with anything that Bush, Cheney and Ramsfield has ever done.

The real reason you do not believe that it is anything to global warming is because you "hate" Al Gore and you hate any bill or anything a Democrat has ever done and would rather sell your country out and throw it down the tubes than agree or help your country because it was a Democrat that helped. That is no more than what Larry Craig was, a hypocrite. No outlaw homo's, pass all bills against homo's because we are the faith people, we are the morals people, we are the values people, so outlaw homo's, outlaw abortion, but then when you are suppose to be in church Larry is out patrolling bathroom stalls for men.

The great barrier reef and in your eyes it has no importance because it isn't in your front yard but as the hot sun scorches it and kills it, it effects the fish, and our oceans. You have already laughed and pretty much don't care if we have a polar bear left in the world again because it doesn't effect you, you think. You revert back to taxes, what can Halliburton do for you, what can Cheney do for you, will W give me a lil piece of an oil well, and let's hate on Hillary and Obama while you now try to speak of the great conservative John Libberman McCain.

You are either so wet behind your ears and about 16 years old, you don't care about the enviroment because you like breathing dirty air, you like drinking poluted water or being in an area that has more cancer than most of the USA because if it is a Republican thing, you are for it. That is faith and morals and get on that values train with Ted Haggard and ride it as far as you can. I know you, Haggard, Craig and Pat Robertson can figure out all the "ins and outs" of global warming.

We sure don't want to help the enviroment do we dude if it makes Halliburton or Cheney live life a little different do we? This increase in trapped heat changes the climate, causing altered weather patterns that can bring unusually intense precipitation or dry spells and more severe storms but again dude, a hurricane, tornado or droughts do not scare you because as a Cheney you feel those faith and values rise above bad weather. You know, like a Superman. Then again, i can hear you now, the weather is all good and you haven't ever seen a tornado or hurricane or bad weather because it hasn't been any in the last 5 years.

1.Increase in global average surface temperature of about 1°F in the 20th century

2.Decrease of snow cover and sea ice extent and the retreat of mountain glaciers in the latter half of the 20th century

3.Rise in global average sea level and the increase in ocean water temperatures

4.Likely increase in average precipitation over the middle and high latitudes of the Northern Hemisphere, and over tropical land areas

5.Increase in the frequency of extreme precipitation events in some regions of the world

6.Thawing of permafrost

7.Lengthening of the growing season in middle and high latitudes

8.Poleward and upward shift of plant and animal ranges

9.Decline of some plant and animal species

10.Earlier flowering of trees

11.Earlier emergence of insects

12.Earlier egg-laying in birds

Again dude, shoot it down. It is easy for me to see alot of the things above happening but then again you do not care because it isn't about war or taxes so you don't give a rats butt about it but make fun of it.

a rise in sea level between 3.5 and 34.6 in. (9-88 cm), leading to more coastal erosion, flooding during storms, and permanent inundation

severe stress on many forests, wetlands, alpine regions, and other natural ecosystems

greater threats to human health as mosquitoes and other disease-carrying insects and rodents spread diseases over larger geographical regions

disruption of agriculture in some parts of the world due to increased temperature, water stress, and sea-level rise in low-lying areas such as Bangladesh or the Mississippi River delta.

Then again dude if this isn't a W or Cheney thing, who cares. Halliburton is more important and what we can rip the tax payers off for 8 years than trying to help your country. Let's work on those no bid contracts and drive around in a Cadilac in Iraq or Kuwaitt and lease 100 or 200 or these Caddies on a four year lease for 200 thousand dollars (each Caddie) and charge it to the tax payers, instead of buy one for 40 thousand dollars. Let's rip the tax payers off more and get what we can get.

Why help on these things because it isn't a conservartive thing....

increasing energy efficiency standards

encouraging the use of renewable energy sources (such as wind and solar power)

eliminating subsidies that encourage the use of coal and oil by making them artificially cheap(Haha this is funny isn't it dude. Oh W and Cheney will really go along with this will they? Why not polute the air more, dump those oils and gases into our water ways and let's keep these morals and values up and run around with Haggard and Craig, laughing all the way to the Halliburon Cheney ceo bank)

protecting and restoring forests, which serve as important storehouses of carbon.

[dude1394]

What hating? I'm just torqued that global warming is messing up my vacation plans on the beach.

If you could get over yourself for a little bit and realize that the "consensus" is more political than scientific you'd make more sense. It'll be tough for you, but try it.

Hmm...I don't hate A. Gore, I think he's a nut, that's all. He's funny.
Clinton..yup...gotta admit some hate there. Don't really hate clinton so much, but I do despise the thought of the perpetual liar shaking his bony finger at me again, I've had enough of that.
Obama..don't hate him at all, I don't know enough about him. If he's liberal I'm against his policies, but that doesn't mean I hate him.
Edwards...don't hate him, he's just another politician whose sold you a bill of goods.
Any Kennedy??? Possibly some Teddy but only because of his cowardice at chappaquidick, he's more pitiable than someone to be hated. The lord will deal with him.

But JFK...that was a pretty smart democrat...did you check out that tax cut he enacted. Regeanesque. Did you notice how strong on national defense he was... They don't make democrats like that anymore. We'll except maybe Lieberman...oh but I forgot you threw him out of your party.

You are a funny one to be talking about hate...eh "chains" and "halliburton". I think you are projecting your HATE onto others.

My problem with global warming is that somehow it's become "decided" when it's anything BUT decided. And the zealots run around and claim global warming when the temperature goes UP and global warming when the temperature goes DOWN. Eh...If you and the zealots want to be taken more seriously you are going to have to pick a side and stick to it.

I have no problem if we want to to try and find cleaner ways to do things, especially if it saves us dollars from gasoline it, but to hear the ZEALOTS talk, if we don't go back to the stone age NOW, we'll all be dead. It's typical liberal non-thinking posturing and demagoguing that in the end will be used to gain power as just about every other liberal program does.

So how much of your dollars are you willing to give to AlGore and the zealots? 10,20,30,60%... Since if you don't do it we'll ALL DIE!!!

So do you have a car? Why? When the fate of the world hangs in the balance?
Have a tv, phone, ipod, gameboy, how many? Why, when the fate of the world hangs in the balance.
So much hypocrisy in this "consensus".

[Dr.Zoidberg]

Originally Posted by dude1394

but to hear the ZEALOTS talk, if we don't go back to the stone age NOW, we'll all be dead.

LOL

Who alleges that? Never heard of it.

NOW? It´s impossible to change anything just now. But if you want to do something you have to start now, because it will last years or even decades, till you will notice a change. This is not like something you don´t like anymore, trash it, and buy something new.

Back to stone age? Stone age would be stand-off, not to develop, to still use machines, technologies and cars which have a high consumption and are environmentally harmfull. To keep depending on the use of way too much oil and energy. Narrow minded thinking and not to be open for something new. To think only about his nation and not to think global.

Please tell me why, to do something against environmental pollution, lowering energy consumption and to decline the CO2 emission, should be a backstep in the stone age. The opposite is the case!

Originally Posted by dude1394

So do you have a car? Why? When the fate of the world hangs in the balance?
Have a tv, phone, ipod, gameboy, how many? Why, when the fate of the world hangs in the balance.

This is massively exaggerated. You don´t have to stop driving a car. Important is that the industry develops better engines concerning fuel consumption and CO2 emission and not to stand still.

And to stop watching TV or using modern technologies is of course nonsense, and would´t contribute to a better environment or slowing down the effects of global warming anyhow. There are a lot of other fields you can do this without limiting the daily routine of everyone.

[Janett_Reno]

I do not agree with Ted at Chappaquidick either. He was wrong. That is good to hear you say something good about a Democrat in JFK. I respect that. As far as Clinton, any Democrat or Republican i would not put them down just because i do not like them. I judge them on how they run our country. You know as well as i, this adm has been one of the worst in history and i will not defend them, where you do. I have no problem defending a Republican that does good. These guys in now are a joke. Speaking of nuts, they are. Clinton was wrong on having afair with Monica and i do not defend him on that but he was not a big spender and he did not try to wreck(bankrupt) this country like this adm has done. I do not see where he tried to make a profit off the tax payers like this adm is doing. He did not break this country like Chains and his puppet W has done.

I won't go into Iraq because you know how i feel about it. I am more in line with Obama on that. I just started another thread on the sale of iraq and it is sad. I do not hate W or Chains or for that matter Halliburton as i forgive. I am christian and i do forgive. I think it is sad what they have done to us and for some to hide behind faith and values. If you want to know my honest opinion, i think W is about as smart as a brick. Honestly, the guy has no brain. I know he is a puppet to Rams and Chains. I have actually felt sorry for him dude because i feel he does what is told for him to do and he takes all the blame. I know that doesn't make him right but i feel the men behind W are cowards getting him in trouble at ever turn he makes and knowing he is the one that takes blame and makes him look like a fool. So i do not hate him at all and i actually pray for him, to where he can do better. Neil and W has never had to think because they never had to. They had everything given to them with a silver spoon and they failed at everything they ever done. Plus get themself in trouble. Jeb got where he is partly of the money Neil funded him, off our broke Savings and Loans but Jeb has more of a brain and has done something with his brain and life.

This adm will not clean up as they stripped the clean air act and they do not want to clean our air, water because it takes money out of their pocket. They are oil men and Chains was the ceo of Halliburton. They will do everything to fight electric cars, solar and anything else to help us get off big oil and gas. Look who put them in power, they must deliver for big oil. The good thing that is happening and it is comming to late but happening, they had one liners, why try to put us in jail or care that we give Halliburton no bid contracts or we rip the tax payers off but all you Democrats or anyone that is not with us, should care about our troops and do not worry about us ripping the tax payers off or who we give no bid contracts because that is our baby.

Those one liners and playing the troops against wrong things happening worked awhile and i have never been happy that they let them scare them and they do not do alot about it but now Halliburton employes and others that are not happy and speaking up now. It is many troops speaking up also dude. They are speaking the truth about these no bid contracts and what it involved and what no service they got and put them in danger. The problem i have with the Iraq war and the no bid contracts is ripping the tax payers off is wrong and putting our citizens in danger is wrong and not protecting our troops is wrong. These are some of the problems i have with W and Chains and Halliburton. It is not hard to read between the lines.

I do not feel it is right for wither party to play global warming up as a game. I do feel global warming is real. When is the last time dude you have had flowers comming up in Jan and Feb? When is the last time you have had to kill a mosquito in Jan? Tornadoes in Dec, Jan and Feb? It is suppose to be cold and snowing. It was in the high 60's today and tomorrow in the 30's. This is not normal. Something is happening. I hope and wish global warming was not true but i am afraid it is and it isn't good. Why are big oak trees dying off and falling and alot i feel is because we are not getting cold weather like we use to, plus droughts and weird weather. Where you live dude, hurricanes are hitting in the Tx area where they haven't in awhile.

I want to make this clear, it isn't just big oil companies but many factors why this is happening but we must reconize it. We must work together. It seems you want to divide the country. If we divide the country dude, nothing gets done. Where you want to see an all Baptist world, an all Republican world, and if they are not what you feel is worthy, then just say no and do not work with them. If we do this nothing gets done. The bad thing is how bad the Republicans did the last 8 years and yes W, Rams and Chains held alot of them hostage trying to make them go along with them, makes others resent it and then they start playing that same dirty game where nothing gets done.

Just like Greenspan said, the Republicans sold my country out. He is Republican. What if the Democrats get pissed and hold it against the Republicans and say now when we get Obama or Hillary in and now we have the senate and congress just like the Republicans did, we will now screw them, like they screwed us and what if they decide to sell us out like the Republicans did? It is not good. It is best they do what is best for us. Not play games. Work together. You are one that wants to divide and spread hate. That is what we have had this last adm and it isn't good. Nothing gets done.

I do not think cell phones, ipods and gameboys are our problem. We eed to keep our air clean, our waterways, we do need to try to get off big oil and the gov needs to fund other alternatives but they won't because our gov is tied and owns big oil and we are in bed with the Saudi's. The same Saudi's that bombed us on 9/11. Most of the bombers was from Saudi, not Iraq.

A problem dude, is many know and even the Democrats know why this adm or Rudy would never take us off big oil but would want to polute more. So probably Gore does hit back hard and remind this adm and the public of global warming but i feel global warming is real. It is something our gov needs to help us on, all govs get together all over the world and we all need to help as a global people. Not just oil and gas but not cutting the Amazon down and many other factors that is causing this.

Global warming isn't a joke or shouldn't be made fun of. I feel it is real and we should address it. I am not saying to throw our cars away but we need to start now trying to do better for tomorrow and our gov needs to get together and educate us on what we can do to help.

[dude1394]

Originally Posted by Dr.Zoidberg

This is massively exaggerated.

Yes it is.

[Dr.Zoidberg]

Originally Posted by dude1394

Yes it is absolutely necessary, to do something against global warming

Word!

[dude1394]

Originally Posted by Dr.Zoidberg

touchee'

[FishForLunch]

Just wait till the Dems get the presidency, remember how the republicans labelled the people who did not support the Iraq war as unpatriotic. Anyboby who does not believe in global warming will be labelled baby killers.