03-21-2008, 01:26 PM
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We may never...
....win a championship. And this is not a doomsday the sky is falling thread really. Since 1990 every championship has been won by one of these 4 players except 1; Shaq, Duncan, Olajawon and Michael Jordan. (the only one not by one of those 4 was the Pistons and Shaq was in the Finals) That's 3 dominant players in the paint and arguably the greatest player ever. But you know even if we don't it's really not the end of the world. Spurs fans no longer have any passion for basketball until it's game 4 or later of the NBA Finals. BigShotRob is so bored with his team winning championships that he has started rooting for the Mavs because there is nothing left to care about for the Spurs. Maybe a back to back but really it's nothing compared to the compassion of a Mavs fan. If the Spurs lose 5 of 6 in the regular season Spurs fan could care less. If the Mavs lose 5 of 6 we all freak out. If we had beaten the Heat two years ago would we have near the emotional involvement in a regular season game we have now? The answer is no.
Am I saying I don't want the Mavs to win the championship? of course not. But I still enjoy watching Mavs basketball. Don't get me wrong it's very difficult to be a Mavs fan, seeing them lose in the playoffs the last two years, winning 20 games a year in the 90's and being pretty damn good in the 80's only to come up short. But I've never thought about not rooting for the Mavs. I don't know if the Dallas Mavericks will ever be NBA Champions, but I plan on sticking around to find out.
The hunt may be better than the find.
Last edited by MavsWiLLHaVeRinGs; 03-21-2008 at 01:34 PM.
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03-21-2008, 01:31 PM
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Rooting for the laundry
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We have more 'give up' right now than kansas city royal fans.
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03-21-2008, 04:01 PM
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As much as I like Kidd, we traded away our chance for true inside presence. Aw well, we'll see in the post-season.
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03-21-2008, 04:03 PM
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Thanks for the pick-me-up.
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03-21-2008, 04:08 PM
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We are all about low expectations?
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03-21-2008, 05:05 PM
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i hope we make the playoffs
esp.. considering the nets prolly will
was our draft choice lottery protected?
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03-21-2008, 05:06 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Caseman
As much as I like Kidd, we traded away our chance for true inside presence. Aw well, we'll see in the post-season.
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Are you serious?? If you are..you should know thatDamps game is better in every way then Diop...defense and offens
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03-21-2008, 05:12 PM
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What if Damp gets hurt? Like last year?
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03-21-2008, 05:33 PM
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The window is closed.
See you in 10 years.
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03-21-2008, 05:49 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by cinemablend
The window is closed.
See you in 10 years.
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These days being a fan is a competition to see who can be the most upset when
your team loses. That proves you love winning more. That's how it works.
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03-21-2008, 06:30 PM
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If people get rep for being unrealistically optimistic how come they don't get it for being realistically pessimistic?
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03-21-2008, 06:44 PM
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um, see flaco
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03-21-2008, 06:45 PM
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all these doomsday people need to STFU and smoke a joint.
There is reason to be concerned right now, no doubt... but doomsday/panic shit is making me SOFT!
Had we won the last 2 games we woulda been on a 7 game win streak and beaten 2 conteners. I'm sure this type of stuff would get posted then, right?
But when we lose them by 6 points combined, this type of stuff comes up?
I know, the bottom line is we didn't win the game... but you're telling me the difference between confidence and doomsday is 2 regular season games decided by a few plays , decided by 6 points?
Calm down! Be concerned, but don't panic!
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03-21-2008, 07:46 PM
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It's not doomsday panic for me. Very few players and teams get to experience a championship. I mean for those who watch college ball if your team doesn't ever win the championship do you stop rooting for them? You shouldn't at least. I'm just trying to say although that it may seem like it if we don't even win the championship it's not the end of the world.
The Heat gave us a 2 game spot and a 13 point lead in the 4th quarter of game 3, and we couldn't close that deal. The team we have is not mentally tough enough to win in the clutch, Dirk flinched when he drove in the other day against the Celtics for example. I love the guy he's my favorite player by far, but just like David Robinson (who was also someone I really liked growing up) he can't do it alone. And his version of Tim Duncan isn't coming to save the day.
We're a 7th seed now, 7th seeds don't win NBA championships.... and there's no reason to think we'll improve next year. (no draft picks and Cuban has spent all the money he can on star players) This is who we are, not a championship team but a good team. I can live with that though.
You can get angry at me all you want, and I would love to be proven wrong, but Jason Kidd wasn't the answer to our problems (it seems to have created more) and I think we're a middle of the pack team now for the forseeable future.
Last edited by MavsWiLLHaVeRinGs; 03-21-2008 at 08:11 PM.
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03-21-2008, 07:51 PM
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um....... I dont think the Mavs will be good..
season is over!!!
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03-21-2008, 08:13 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by horse900703
um....... I dont think the Mavs will be good..
season is over!!!
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Just out of curiosity, are you foreign?
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03-21-2008, 09:15 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by AxdemxO
Are you serious?? If you are..you should know thatDamps game is better in every way then Diop...defense and offens
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I didn't say Diop was our inside presence, I meant we traded away our only pieces to get a true inside presence (like Shaq, etc.).
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03-21-2008, 09:50 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Dirkgreatness
Just out of curiosity, are you foreign?
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where have you been? of course he is foreign. He talks like the guy who works at 7-Eleven
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03-21-2008, 10:04 PM
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03-21-2008, 10:05 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Tokey41
If people get rep for being unrealistically optimistic how come they don't get it for being realistically pessimistic?
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The rep page says
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Originally Posted by Rep Page
What do you think of Tokey41's post?
I approve
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I, as I think most people do, disapprove pessimism.
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03-21-2008, 10:24 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Flacolaco
We have more 'give up' right now than kansas city royal fans.
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You have been the biggest pessimist of anyone the last month or two. Other people are just starting to lose hope because they are being dragged down by others. I'm still actually pretty confident in this team, but I guess I always am.
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"For a team as good as the Mavs, the regular season is just 82 practice games until the real season begins." -G-Man
"We wanted this for Dirk because of his heart, his class, his work ethic, his humility, his sense of humor, his respect for the game, and his respect for people."
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03-22-2008, 12:43 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by MavsX
where have you been? of course he is foreign. He talks like the guy who works at 7-Eleven
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Yeah i thought so...... smartass.
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03-22-2008, 02:37 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by nashtymavsfan13
You have been the biggest pessimist of anyone the last month or two. Other people are just starting to lose hope because they are being dragged down by others. I'm still actually pretty confident in this team, but I guess I always am.
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Orrr they're being dragged down by the reality of a team that can't win anything.
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03-22-2008, 11:05 AM
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Just felt like posting this
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03-22-2008, 11:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Dirkgreatness
Yeah i thought so...... smartass.
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lol, you guys should see the PM horse just sent me. It's freaking funny as hell.
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03-22-2008, 12:20 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Tokey41
If people get rep for being unrealistically optimistic how come they don't get it for being realistically pessimistic?
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The problem is that "realistically pessimistic" is a self-imposed label. All the pessimists think they're simply being "realistic", but, to be honest, it doesn't really matter what a person thinks of their own capacity for realism.
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03-22-2008, 12:56 PM
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What is disturbing is how well Harris's PER was despite us not doing well early in this season. Too much expected from our point guard. It is the other positions like shooting guard, backup SF, backup PF, and now backup C that is not doing the job. Bass though is capable of being a great offensive player but he kills us in pretty much every other part of his game. Terry is an undersized shooting guard. Also we don't have the runners to be a fastbreak team. Stackhouse just isn't fast enough and now he is getting overplayed to hurt us even more. Teams are leaving Stackhouse and Kidd open making it more crowded in the paint as well.
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03-22-2008, 01:37 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ProdigyDub
The problem is that "realistically pessimistic" is a self-imposed label. All the pessimists think they're simply being "realistic", but, to be honest, it doesn't really matter what a person thinks of their own capacity for realism.
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Yeah, but you can't really help whether your opinion is perceived as pessimistic by others. I'm pretty sure if BigD started 50 threads about how the Mavs are great with Jason Kidd he wouldn't have 5 red boxes (he'd still probably in the red though, I gave neg rep because theres just no need for that many new threads).
I'm just saying blind pessimism without facts isn't any worse than blind optimism (they also seem to think they are being "realistic"). There's such a double standard between a good post and a bad post. If the Mavs don't win the championship this year i'd say the pessimists will have been more realistic... those are the expectations aren't they?
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03-23-2008, 02:08 AM
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Honestly, being a fan is supposed to be a fun thing. When it stops being fun, then I'd probably just walk away. With that in mind, I'd much rather read a positive post than a negative post. If you want to find a place where misery and negativity is embraced, then feel free to find a forum full of emo kids somewhere. I'm not a fan of blind optimism, but I'd take it in a heartbeat over blind pessimism because honestly I don't want to spend my leisure time being miserable.
Btw, BigD isn't just getting rated down just because he made a few negative threads. He's earned those boxes, in part by posting threads about how Magloire should be starting over Damp because of an NBA 2k8 rating.
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03-24-2008, 03:33 PM
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we will never...
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03-24-2008, 03:36 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by mavsfan1000
What is disturbing is how well Harris's PER was despite us not doing well early in this season.....
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it's been a while now, but as I recall the mavs were in or very near first place in the west the last time that Harris started a game. in that sense, at least, the Harris' PER and mavs success were quite correlated.
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03-25-2008, 01:34 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by longsufferingmavsfan
Just felt like posting this
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I'm not afraid to admit that I too miss Devin Harris. I prefer him over J.Kidd anytime of the day, month, year, decade, century! Burn me all you want but it's the future of the Mavs that concerns me. Not just some freakin' ring that we all want to win NOW so badly.
They say this is the best roster the Mavs have ever had in the Cuban/ Nellie/ Ave era? Well that, I've yet to see!
But, as a true Mav fan, I can proudly say that I still really, truly believe! Whether playoff bound or lottery. I love the Mavericks so much! And it pains me to see the fans endure such distraught.
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03-25-2008, 01:57 AM
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I am now the proud owner of 3 Mavs ties with which to hang myself if we don't make the playoffs!
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Is this ghost ball??
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03-25-2008, 02:14 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by MavsWiLLHaVeRinGs
We may never ....win a championship.
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03-25-2008, 09:20 AM
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We should've sold the farm for J.O'Neal last summer, no big man, no championship.
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03-25-2008, 09:59 AM
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I think you have a virus.
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03-25-2008, 05:37 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by mavsjunkie
We should've sold the farm for J.O'Neal last summer, no big man, no championship.
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The contradiction here being that if we had made a deal of Jermaine, we'd probably still not have a big man. Is he even returning this season?
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04-23-2008, 04:57 AM
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*Topic* Truth hurts, I don't see us winning a championship and now I think most people on this forum will agree. So you either decide to still love your team dispite that fact or move on not being a Mavs fan. I will stay a fan.
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04-23-2008, 05:06 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ghazi
all these doomsday people need to STFU and smoke a joint.
There is reason to be concerned right now, no doubt... but doomsday/panic shit is making me SOFT!
Had we won the last 2 games we woulda been on a 7 game win streak and beaten 2 conteners. I'm sure this type of stuff would get posted then, right?
But when we lose them by 6 points combined, this type of stuff comes up?
I know, the bottom line is we didn't win the game... but you're telling me the difference between confidence and doomsday is 2 regular season games decided by a few plays , decided by 6 points?
Calm down! Be concerned, but don't panic!
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Define "panic." Define "doomsday."
The plain, simple FACT is, the Mavericks are old, slow, and tired. Their window of opportunity is closing very quickly, if it hasn't closed already. The Mavericks will not win this series. That's not "doomsday." That's objectivity.
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