12-03-2008, 04:20 AM
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Barea Will Start
Just wanted to be first to say it.
Seriously though, doesn't Carlisle at least have to consider starting him at SG with Kidd as long as Wright and Howard are out?
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12-03-2008, 04:44 AM
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Originally Posted by cinemablend
Just wanted to be first to say it.
Seriously though, doesn't Carlisle at least have to consider starting him at SG with Kidd as long as Wright and Howard are out?
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IMO, as long as JJB is the only guard that can or will get into the lane and break down defenses, yes, let him start, but not with Kidd but rather with JT. We need to be able to score early in the game, and JT is on fire. This business of always having to make a mad scramble out of a hole is not going to cut it, long term.
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12-03-2008, 04:58 AM
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^ We're one of the best 1st quarter teams in the league.
The only examples of what you've mentioned so far this year are the Pacers and Clippers games.
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12-03-2008, 05:16 AM
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I'm still on the Gerald Green bandwagon. Green should keep starting, and should be our primary shooting guard IMO. Of all the "young" players we have, I really think Green is the only one with any real future in the NBA.
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12-03-2008, 11:23 AM
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IMO Green and Singleton and Wright are not point scorers. Barea has proven time and time again that he can answer the call. Im kinda surprised we dont start him over kidd; kidd has not produced crap since arriving here. Barea can give you as much production in half the minutes kidd plays imagine if he were starting.
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12-03-2008, 11:25 AM
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Originally Posted by dmack24
IMO Green and Singleton and Wright are not point scorers. Barea has proven time and time again that he can answer the call. Im kinda surprised we dont start him over kidd; kidd has not produced crap since arriving here. Barea can give you as much production in half the minutes kidd plays imagine if he were starting.
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12-03-2008, 11:36 AM
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Originally Posted by dmack24
IMO Green and Singleton and Wright are not point scorers. Barea has proven time and time again that he can answer the call. Im kinda surprised we dont start him over kidd; kidd has not produced crap since arriving here. Barea can give you as much production in half the minutes kidd plays imagine if he were starting.
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12-03-2008, 11:40 AM
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Kidd is looking like he playing with a lack of effort sometimes though. I hope Barea showing him up fires him up a little. I want to see Kidd with with a little more passion.
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12-03-2008, 11:41 AM
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hahaa. wut. Awesome thread.
Green will be much better when JHo is back in the starting lineup too!
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12-03-2008, 12:07 PM
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Originally Posted by dmack24
Im kinda surprised we dont start him over kidd; kidd has not produced crap since arriving here. Barea can give you as much production in half the minutes kidd plays imagine if he were starting.
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Did someone leave their webcam on when they posted?
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12-03-2008, 12:26 PM
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I'm one of the biggest JJ Burrito homers around outside of Puerto Rico, but really? Don't be ridiculous.
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Did you watch Kidd even play yesterday? He could not even hit a basket if the rim were as big and wide as the ocean. Barea produces as many points as kidd does in half the time; look yourself. All Kidd has is defense and that is not enough anymore to warrant starting him. Wow big deal he played 32 minutes against the clips; had zero points and 4 steals; wow is that really what you want in your starting pg?
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12-03-2008, 12:30 PM
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Wow I just looked at the tags and I saw "Delusions of grandeur" lol, I just learned about that earlier this morning in Psychology class lol
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12-03-2008, 12:31 PM
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Originally Posted by dmack24
Did you watch Kidd even play yesterday? He could not even hit a basket if the rim were as big and wide as the ocean. Barea produces as many points as kidd does in half the time; look yourself. All Kidd has is defense and that is not enough anymore to warrant starting him. Wow big deal he played 32 minutes against the clips; had zero points and 4 steals; wow is that really what you want in your starting pg?
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12-03-2008, 12:32 PM
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I find it odd you are ok with Kidds lack of productivity!
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12-03-2008, 12:41 PM
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I find it odd you are ok with Kidds lack of productivity!
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Hey, who had the game-winning assist?
Listen to Barea's breakdown of that last shot. Borrowing the words of TO, the Mavs can't pass the ball to themselves!
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12-03-2008, 12:43 PM
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Barea needs to keep coming off the bench. He's provided a very nice spark for us.
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12-03-2008, 12:47 PM
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Wow!! Any half way decent PG would have made an assist like that; I really do not see what is so great about it. It was more of an impressive shot than it was a pass. I still say that if your pg can not put at least 10pts on the board in 30 minutes of game play he is not doing his job. Giving up assists and stealing only take you so far. Who would you wrather have Gilbert Arenas an avid scorer or Jason Kidd. I would argue that Gilbert is more of a threat than JK; I rest my case. Barea could be a scoring threat if this team uses him right. Have you noticed that we have been winning more since JJB has been given more minutes? Or is this just sure luck?Your right a team can not pass to itself; but Barreas assist rival Kidds at this point so it is a moot point.
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12-03-2008, 12:49 PM
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I would argue that Gilbert is more of a threat than JK; I rest my case.
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This may just be the most hilarious sentence I've ever read on this board.
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12-03-2008, 12:53 PM
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Wow!! Any half way decent PG would have made an assist like that; I really do not see what is so great about it. It was more of an impressive shot than it was a pass. I still say that if your pg can not put at least 10pts on the board in 30 minutes of game play he is not doing his job. Giving up assists and stealing only take you so far. Who would you wrather have Gilbert Arenas an avid scorer or Jason Kidd. I would argue that Gilbert is more of a threat than JK; I rest my case. Barea could be a scoring threat if this team uses him right. Have you noticed that we have been winning more since JJB has been given more minutes? Or is this just sure luck?Your right a team can not pass to itself; but Barreas assist rival Kidds at this point so it is a moot point.
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He avg 10ppg! 8APG 7.2 RPG 2.5 stl... Plays very solid defense! Barrea is coming up and perhaps one day could start. But you are barking up the wrong tree. Barrea gets abused quite often still on Defense. He has played well but he's not replacing Kidd as a starter period. Forget it.
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12-03-2008, 12:53 PM
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This may just be the most hilarious sentence I've ever read on this board.
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You would wrather have a guy who struggles to give you ten points a night vs a guy who can put up 20 to 30 a night?
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12-03-2008, 12:55 PM
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This may just be the most hilarious sentence I've ever read on this board.
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I would argue that it's NOT the most hilarious sentence you've ever read on this board... I rest my case!
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12-03-2008, 01:01 PM
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Originally Posted by SMC0007
He avg 10ppg! 8APG 7.2 RPG 2.5 stl... Plays very solid defense! Barrea is coming up and perhaps one day could start. But you are barking up the wrong tree. Barrea gets abused quite often still on Defense. He has played well but he's not replacing Kidd as a starter period. Forget it.
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After that last game i doubt Kidd will have around the ppg average.
You are right and I have openly admitted that Kidd has better defense than Barrea; but what do you expect? Barrea has hardly seen any minutes; and when he does he performs.
Barrea plays half the minutes and gives up almost as many assists as Kidd; last night was a perfect example. You and I both know if we did not have Barrea in last nights game we would have lost! Period! Jason Kidd was virtually invisible yesterday and was imo expendable. He had 0 points was 0-11 shooting and had 4 steals which is really nice; and only 8 assists. That is not enough production. Then you have Barea that virtually hit almost every shot he took; had 6 assists and 15pts and no steals and in ten minutes less than what kidd had to do. If Kidd does not step it up I will keep my thought process as it currently stands. The only thing I see is our W's going up the more we play Barrea and when we dont I see L's.
I agree with what one of the other posters stated. It is the combination of Barrea and Jet that is helping us through these tough times and not Jet and kidd
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12-03-2008, 01:15 PM
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You are right and I have openly admitted that Kidd has better defense than Barrea;
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oh come on! Don't sell Barea so short (heh, heh). Do you remember who was playing defense against Baron Davis's last second miss last night?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ap2Z0...eature=related
We've been looking for someone to contain big guards like Davis, and I think we have him. JJB could probably score from the center position, too.
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12-03-2008, 01:24 PM
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oh come on! Don't sell Barea so short (heh, heh). Do you remember who was playing defense against Baron Davis's last second miss last night?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ap2Z0...eature=related
We've been looking for someone to contain big guards like Davis, and I think we have him. JJB could probably score from the center position, too.
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I agree with everything except this... :28+ secs in. Not so good at scoring from the center position on that one.
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12-03-2008, 01:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Usually Lurkin
oh come on! Don't sell Barea so short (heh, heh). Do you remember who was playing defense against Baron Davis's last second miss last night?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ap2Z0...eature=related
We've been looking for someone to contain big guards like Davis, and I think we have him. JJB could probably score from the center position, too.
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IT was a bit odd but the clips did not have an answer to our 3 guard combo.
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12-03-2008, 02:11 PM
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If only we had 5 Bareas...
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12-03-2008, 02:12 PM
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This board is being infested with all kinds of stupid.
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12-03-2008, 02:15 PM
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dmack24 is accumulating invisible neg reps
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12-03-2008, 02:17 PM
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You would wrather have a guy who struggles to give you ten points a night vs a guy who can put up 20 to 30 a night?
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It wasn't the content of the sentence (although I disagree with that, too). It was the way you sort of generally introduced an argument, but instead of supporting the argument, you elected instead to just say "I rest my case" and leave it at that.
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12-03-2008, 02:19 PM
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Originally Posted by LonghornDub
It wasn't the content of the sentence (although I disagree with that, too). It was the way you sort of generally introduced an argument, but instead of supporting the argument, you elected instead to just say "I rest my case" and leave it at that.
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12-03-2008, 02:19 PM
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Wow!! Any half way decent PG would have made an assist like that; I really do not see what is so great about it. It was more of an impressive shot than it was a pass.
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Wow!! Any half way decent NBA player would have made a wide-open shot like that; I really do not see what is so great about it. It was more of an impressive pass than it was a shot because the shooter got the ball in rhythm and in position to quickly release.
I rest my case.
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12-03-2008, 02:27 PM
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Barea needs to come off the bench with Jet and Singleton, Diop & Bass..very good second unit..keep defensive pressure and some scoring..
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12-03-2008, 02:47 PM
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You would wrather have a guy who struggles to give you ten points a night vs a guy who can put up 20 to 30 a night?
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I don't have anything constructive to add, but "wrather"? That's not even a typo. That's just dumb.
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12-03-2008, 02:51 PM
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PB&J is better than Grilled Cheese; I rest my case.
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JJB is better than PB&J; I rest my case and my tired head.
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12-03-2008, 02:56 PM
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JJB does not rest his case... he Devin Harrises it.
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12-03-2008, 03:02 PM
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Devin Harris is the best basketball player in the world. I rest my case.
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12-03-2008, 03:05 PM
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I don't have anything constructive to add, but "wrather"? That's not even a typo. That's just dumb.
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Damn I over wlooked that one.
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12-03-2008, 03:41 PM
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Wow!! Any half way decent NBA player would have made a wide-open shot like that; I really do not see what is so great about it. It was more of an impressive pass than it was a shot because the shooter got the ball in rhythm and in position to quickly release.
I rest my case.
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Jason Kidd could not have made that shot I rest my case!
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12-03-2008, 03:51 PM
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Originally Posted by LonghornDub
It wasn't the content of the sentence (although I disagree with that, too). It was the way you sort of generally introduced an argument, but instead of supporting the argument, you elected instead to just say "I rest my case" and leave it at that.
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I actually got more of a laugh out of the "I rest my case" followed by additional, nonsensical rambling. The way I've always understood it (from over a decade of watching Law & Order), once I rest my case, that means I'm done arguing.
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12-03-2008, 03:52 PM
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Jason Kidd could not have made that shot I rest my case!
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Prove it
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