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Zki41 · 01-11-2009, 03:19 AM

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/dailyd...dime-090110-11

Good to hear our FO is coming to it's senses

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• I've had a couple execs tell me that the Mavericks have passed Toronto as the team pushing harder than anyone else in the league to make a trade at the minute. And the growing sense I get is that the Mavericks, for all their stated reluctance to do so, are prepared to move Josh Howard before the deadline if they can bring back the wing explosiveness and/or post scoring that we've mentioned before as areas of concern in Dallas.

Just days ago, I didn't think so. I saw the prospect of moving Howard as highly unlikely. My feeling was that Dallas would continue to shop Jerry Stackhouse's cap-friendly contract, Brandon Bass and DeSagana Diop's unfriendly contract, hoping that the Stackhouse-and-Bass combination would eventually net something positive.

Yet in the course of all those aggressive calls, sources say, Howard's name is coming up more and more, either through the interest of teams on the other end of the line or the Mavs' growing willingness to consider another shakeup.

"Dallas is talking to everyone," said one rival exec.

Last February's acquisition of the selfless Jason Kidd and the coaching switch from Avery Johnson to Rick Carlisle are moves that were supposed to help Howard more than any Mav. But they haven't. You can attribute some of his struggles to a nagging ankle injury, but Howard has strangely never flourished alongside Kidd and isn't playing with the bounce that made him an All-Star, leading some folks in town to wonder if he'd rather be elsewhere.

But if that's the case, Howard hasn't let on. Nor are the Mavs likely to rush into anything if they don't get the offer they want.

Reason being: Dallas is convinced that Howard's very reasonable salary this season ($10.4 million) and next ($11.4 million) and the $12.3 million team option held by the Mavs for the 2010-11 season -- all attractive contract details -- combine to negate any trade value the 28-year-old has squandered through declining production and off-court transgressions.

DallasMavs412004 · 01-11-2009, 03:30 AM

Yeah, it is good to hear. Im sure we will make a deal but will it be sooner rather than later? And what could we move JHO for?

Dirkadirkastan · 01-11-2009, 03:38 AM

Notice there is no open acknowledgment of this directly from the Mavs organization. So shall it will remain until a trade actually comes to pass.

Zki41 · 01-11-2009, 03:38 AM

During the Suns game they talked about the Howard and Parker/Bargnani deal with Toronto.

LonghornDub · 01-11-2009, 03:40 AM

Did anybody actually believe at any point that the Mavs weren't actively trying to make some sort of move? What do you think the FO does, sit around and twiddle its thumbs all day?

Just because a trade hasn't happened (or doesn't ever happen) doesn't mean they weren't trying to make one.

Dirkadirkastan · 01-11-2009, 03:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Zki41

During the Suns game they talked about the Howard and Parker/Bargnani deal with Toronto.

What did they say? And who is "they"? I didn't watch ESPN.

BGMaverick9 · 01-11-2009, 03:53 AM

This is pretty on point with the fact he felt they weren't going to do something with Josh. In the Toronto thread I mentioned he was on GAC this week and he felt that it was time for Josh to be moved but he didn't think the FO was going to actually go through with it. The thought was they feel they can find the right deal, it's just a matter of being patient on it and not rushing right away at it. So something happened within the past week to change his stance to where he thinks they're ready to do it.

The big issue now is if Josh is the primary person they're looking at moving, they're going to hope he can get back from his injury soon. Now it's not a major injury, just a tweak or something. I doubt that can seriously kill a deal, but it might give the 1-up to the other side.

MavsWiLLHaVeRinGs · 01-11-2009, 04:46 AM

Well that is good to know. I guess the FO has to take this stance that if they dont find the right trade they're just going to keep JHo. I'm sure they're getting low ball offers for him only and they can't seem too desperate. Same for Stack, Bass and whoever else. I just dont understand what it is about the Dallas Mavericks that every other team thinks they have to screw them or no deal while the Lakers get Gasol and the Celtics get Garnett for trash. It pisses me off.

mac222b · 01-11-2009, 05:42 AM

Well the T-Wolves did at least get Al Jefferson who is/should be an all star for about the next 10 yrs.

Underdog · 01-11-2009, 06:07 AM

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Originally Posted by LonghornDub

Did anybody actually believe at any point that the Mavs weren't actively trying to make some sort of move? What do you think the FO does, sit around and twiddle its thumbs all day?

I doubt most people around here even give them THAT much credit!

DevinHarriswillstart · 01-11-2009, 07:05 AM

Who knows what the "Front Office" does? Anyone, Anyone? Dr., Dr., Dr., Dr.

That Howard for Bargnani/Parker rumor might have been semi-legit based on Toronto's GM saying he has had many conversations with the Mavericks regarding trades.

It could very well be that Colangelo is just denying the rumor for business sake. If, like he said, you have had multiple trade scenario conversations, then I don't see why that could not possibly be one of them. At least, I'm sure Howard was discussed based on this article alone.

Still, it's fairly solid proof that the Mavericks are indeed up to something. I think a trade will almost certainly be made by the trade deadline.

But....management never ceases to amaze.

darkwitzki · 01-11-2009, 07:53 AM

Let's make a deal
With the trading deadline a little more than a month away, talks between teams seem to be heating up. An NBA source said a three-team trade is in the works that would include Oklahoma City sending guard Earl Watson to Charlotte, Dallas sending center DeSagana Diop to Charlotte, and Charlotte guard Raymond Felton going to Dallas.

Source : http://www.boston.com/sports/basketb..._magic/?page=2

Now were talking..

bobatundi · 01-11-2009, 09:07 AM

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Originally Posted by darkwitzki

Let's make a deal
With the trading deadline a little more than a month away, talks between teams seem to be heating up. An NBA source said a three-team trade is in the works that would include Oklahoma City sending guard Earl Watson to Charlotte, Dallas sending center DeSagana Diop to Charlotte, and Charlotte guard Raymond Felton going to Dallas.

Source : http://www.boston.com/sports/basketb..._magic/?page=2

Now were talking..

If true, that trade is genius. Diop has been beyond useless this season, and Kidd's not getting any younger...it would be nice to have his replacement on board, and if all it costs us is a backup center who's not playing at all anyway, I would love it. If we then turned J-Ho into Kaman, that'd be even better.

alexamenos · 01-11-2009, 09:14 AM

I don't think the Dallas FO has the slightest clue what they are doing, not a clue.

I think the Kidd trade was all about the round one loss to the dubs--a classic case of generals fighting the last war--and now they don't whether they're trying to "win now" or enter 2010 sweepstakes. I have Texas Rangers type fears about this thing.

vRookie · 01-11-2009, 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by darkwitzki

Let's make a deal
With the trading deadline a little more than a month away, talks between teams seem to be heating up. An NBA source said a three-team trade is in the works that would include Oklahoma City sending guard Earl Watson to Charlotte, Dallas sending center DeSagana Diop to Charlotte, and Charlotte guard Raymond Felton going to Dallas.

Source : http://www.boston.com/sports/basketb..._magic/?page=2

Now were talking..

So who does OKC get in this deal? I am guessing another Charlotte player? Felton to Dallas, Watson/Diop to Charlotte and Mohammed to OKC works on espn trade machine

cowdog80 · 01-11-2009, 10:47 AM

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So who does OKC get in this deal? I am guessing another Charlotte player? Felton to Dallas, Watson/Diop to Charlotte and Mohammed to OKC works on espn trade machine

Unfortunately, that doesn't make any sense from Charlotte's perspective.

Felton's better than Watson (neither has been very good though) and has an expiring contract.

Meanwhile, Mohammed & Diop are about a wash in terms of actual production (or lack there of), but Mohammed's contract is more friendly.

jthig32 · 01-11-2009, 11:02 AM

I'm somewhat excited to see what kind of package could be gotten by putting Josh on the table. But I'm honestly to the point that I'm not sure this team can compete even with a move.

Terry's been playing out of his mind for most of this season, basically giving us the explosive SG we've always wanted, and we still haven't performed up to expectations.

I dunno...part of me is really thinking that it's time to hit the blowup button and see if anyone wants Kidd for the stretch run.

And I would imagine that's kind of how the Mavs are approaching this. Meaning that they know they can not make another Devin Harris deal. They can not trade Josh for an older, aging superstar for one last run this season. They also can't mortgage their salary flexibility, as they seem to be set on having room in 2010.

So they have to find a trade involving Josh that makes them better, doesn't make them significantly older, and doesn't harm their salary cap situation. Good luck with all that.

vRookie · 01-11-2009, 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by cowdog80

Unfortunately, that doesn't make any sense from Charlotte's perspective.

Felton's better than Watson (neither has been very good though) and has an expiring contract.

Meanwhile, Mohammed & Diop are about a wash in terms of actual production (or lack there of), but Mohammed's contract is more friendly.

I don't know, I was just filling in the missing piece because in the original article, OKC doesn't get anything in this trade, which is highly unlikely. Plus Charlotte is getting about 10M coming in and 4M going out which doesn't work either. So there has to be another Charlotte player involved and Nazr fit that bill. I know its just a rumor at this point, but my guess would be that Brown is a defensive minded coach and wants more defensive players on his team

MavsFanFinley · 01-11-2009, 12:32 PM

I like Felton but what position is he going to play? He's not that great of a shooter to be a sg. Barea has been playing well as backup point so is he getting bumped for Felton?

If we're getting rid of Diop then we need another big. Damp, Dirk, and Bass won't cut it come playoff time against the other bigs in the west.

dude1394 · 01-11-2009, 01:02 PM

Felton doesn't do much for me and JSmith does even less.

MainEv3nt · 01-11-2009, 01:03 PM

trading josh for bargs an parker would make us worse.

BGMaverick9 · 01-11-2009, 01:06 PM

Either way, based on what we've seen and what is left on Diop's deal...if you find a taker and can get something that isn't ugly back in return: Kudos to you.

tcat075 · 01-11-2009, 01:08 PM

Good to hear, good to hear.

DevinHarriswillstart · 01-11-2009, 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by BGMaverick9

Either way, based on what we've seen and what is left on Diop's deal...if you find a taker and can get something that isn't ugly back in return: Kudos to you.

Well it might be important for the FO to have an insurance piece in case Kidd bolts this summer. Felton is at least decent and a good defender. If all you had to give up was Diop then hellz yeah. I really can't even imagine any team being interested in Diop other than Charlotte.

LonghornDub · 01-11-2009, 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Underdog

I doubt most people around here even give them THAT much credit!

You're probably right. I guess some folks think they spend all day sitting in a candle-lit meeting room as they engage in rhythmic incantations of, "We love of team."

cowdog80 · 01-11-2009, 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by MavsFanFinley

I like Felton but what position is he going to play? He's not that great of a shooter to be a sg. Barea has been playing well as backup point so is he getting bumped for Felton?

If we're getting rid of Diop then we need another big. Damp, Dirk, and Bass won't cut it come playoff time against the other bigs in the west.

Diop has been so non-existent on the offensive end*, that unless he is just flat out dominant on the defensive end, you could match his production with the right D-Leaguer.

* I know that he's never been an offensive presence. But a put-back here and there wouldn't kill him.

Robillion · 01-11-2009, 02:08 PM

If we somehow get Felton with Diop... that would be awesome. One great move by the FO if that happens IMO.

We wouldnt have to worry about our PG situation. If we truly are in the 2010 race then we could trade Kidd right before 2010 for picks/trade exceptions a la Camby and let that come off our books to open 20mil and we would still have our PG. I love JJB, but he will never be a starting PG in this league.. Felton would start over him every time. Also... we neeed scoring and while Felton is no Terry, he can provide another consistent 10 pts a game and have big 20 pt nights on occasion (moreso than Kidd or JJB). I would be more excited about this move than Howard being shipped for Bargnani and Parker.

If that happens... I wish and hope and wish that we could trade Howard for the likes of a Kaman or even Oneal or Brad Miller + filler. Then trade Stack and Bass for a good SF swing man. This team can be a top legit contender again if our FO works some magic. If we can obtain young talent like Felton in exchange for someone that is a heavy burden on our books and does not play, that would be a great start.

ghazi · 01-11-2009, 02:30 PM

Dammit I didn't see this when I started the thread in the trade forum lol

BGMaverick9 · 01-11-2009, 02:45 PM

Felton reminds me of Tony Parker. He does in the sense that he can drive and attack the lane, but you can just alter that by daring him to shoot and hope he takes his team out of the game that way. All the speed and athleticism he has isn't worth a lick if they dare him to shoot and he clangs it. If he could get decent to respectable at it, then that totally changes his game. I think that's the fear the Kitty Cats have in letting go someone of Felton's ability, if he can get better at the jumper that's all he needs.

BGMaverick9 · 01-11-2009, 02:50 PM

db.com view on the proposed idea:
http://www.dallasbasketball.com/fullColumn.php?id=1226

Either way, I trust the Boston Globe a lot more than hoopsworld...

vRookie · 01-11-2009, 03:25 PM

Like I said in the trade forum, Barea could also be invovled in this trade, because with Watson gone, OKC has only one PG left

EDIT: I know they also have Chucky Atkins, but I don't think OKC will be happy with Westbrook/Atkins combo. So they will probably want Barea

cowdog80 · 01-11-2009, 03:35 PM

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Felton reminds me of Tony Parker. He does in the sense that he can drive and attack the lane, but you can just alter that by daring him to shoot and hope he takes his team out of the game that way. All the speed and athleticism he has isn't worth a lick if they dare him to shoot and he clangs it. If he could get decent to respectable at it, then that totally changes his game. I think that's the fear the Kitty Cats have in letting go someone of Felton's ability, if he can get better at the jumper that's all he needs.

That's not a very good comparison. He's not as quick as Parker and he's nowhere near the finisher around the rim.

Parker's career LOW fg% is 41.9% during his rookie year. In 6 of his other 7 years, he's shot 45% or better.

Felton's career HIGH fg% is 41.4% (last year). In the other 3 years of his career (including this one), he's shot worse than 40% from the floor.

Felton is bigger than JJ and a better defender, and he might improve by being on a better team - so there are reasons to believe that he would be an upgrade.

But don't talk him up too much - he's truly nothing special.

BGMaverick9 · 01-11-2009, 03:55 PM

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That's not a very good comparison. He's not as quick as Parker and he's nowhere near the finisher around the rim.

Parker's career LOW fg% is 41.9% during his rookie year. In 6 of his other 7 years, he's shot 45% or better.

Felton's career HIGH fg% is 41.4% (last year). In the other 3 years of his career (including this one), he's shot worse than 40% from the floor.

Felton is bigger than JJ and a better defender, and he might improve by being on a better team - so there are reasons to believe that he would be an upgrade.

But don't talk him up too much - he's truly nothing special.

I didn't say he is the next coming of Tony Parker, I used the comparison that both can get into the lane, and they both can struggle with shooting. Just in a complete simple form, a comparison can be made, plain and simple.

cowdog80 · 01-11-2009, 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by BGMaverick9

I didn't say he is the next coming of Tony Parker, I used the comparison that both can get into the lane, and they both can struggle with shooting. Just in a complete simple form, a comparison can be made, plain and simple.

I hear you. But from about 15 feet and in, Felton makes Parker look like MJ.

Dallas2009CHAMPS · 01-11-2009, 04:20 PM

This works...
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/feature...5~30&te=&cash=

Follow up with...

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/feature...28~6&te=&cash= add a couple of picks...

Sign and start Pops, Start Green

We're ballin'

alexamenos · 01-11-2009, 04:22 PM

5th most 3 point attempts per game in the league, 5th worst 3 point shooting percentage.

4th best in the league in FT%, 2nd to last in the league in FT attempts per game.

An offensive scheme apparently built around doing the most of what they do worst and the least of what they do best. If that isn't a recipe for winning basketball then I don't know what is.

Dallas2009CHAMPS · 01-11-2009, 04:23 PM

better still this:
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/feature...~6~6&te=&cash=

DevinHarriswillstart · 01-11-2009, 04:30 PM

Nice little hightlight video of Felton.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mxqE3Mw_IZI

Love his move against Kobe.

jthig32 · 01-11-2009, 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by BGMaverick9

Either way, based on what we've seen and what is left on Diop's deal...if you find a taker and can get something that isn't ugly back in return: Kudos to you.

Yes. Yes yes yes yes yes.

craggmac · 01-11-2009, 06:13 PM

Oh my goodness. Can we please get a center that can play some offence up in this MOFO??!!