Mavs at the Trade Deadline ... Ideas, Rumors, Thoughts ....Where do they fit? - Page 25 - Dallas-Mavs.com Forums

grndmstr_c · 02-19-2009, 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Thomas86

What about Chris Paul?

What about him? He's currently second in the league in PER, he should've been the MVP last year, and in three games against the Thunder this year he's averaged 22, 10 and 6 on 59% shooting from the field.

DevinHarriswillstart · 02-19-2009, 08:35 PM

Hey, Antoine Wright was 4/4 front 3 point land last game.

As shitty as it is that the FO didn't make a move, Wright being 4/4 front the 3 in one game is just as big of news. I just didn't realize it because I was being a basketball nerd hoping for some cosmic trade to change the season. That wasn't seriously going to happen and everyone knew it deep down.

Yeah, I'm being optimistic, sue me. Oh yeah and Kidd (36) ate Harris (26) for breakfast. Howard was 24/10. I guess I'm just a Mavs fan at the end of the day. Right now, the team is playing with near 100% effort. That is definitely bigger than any trade.

Salmons would have been nice but no move would have definitely put us over the top.

You can't seriously blind yourself with thinking a small trade makes that much difference. The team just needs to win and keep winning. It has proven that since the 2-7 start.

Just no more blow-outs!

Murphy3 · 02-19-2009, 08:56 PM

..so, will the hypocritical mods finally move this to the appropriate forum?

tcat075 · 02-19-2009, 09:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Thomas86

What about Chris Paul?

Chris Paul kills everybody, not just us.

LonghornDub · 02-19-2009, 10:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Thomas86

What about Chris Paul?

Name a starting point guard in this league who Chris Paul hasn't dominated. Go.

BGMaverick9 · 02-19-2009, 11:18 PM

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Well, I'm going to now assume that the deadline has passed with not a single trade having been made that in any way impacts the playoff picture in the West, or the fortunes of the top teams in the East. Easy to get frustrated with the Mavs FO for not doing anything when it seemed like there were so many options out there, but the fact that literally nothing of interest has happened tells me that would probably be unfair, and that the market just ended up being far more conservative than most people expected.

I'm a glass is half full kinda guy, so I'm just going to take a deep breath, remind myself that none of the Mavs competitors upgraded, that even though JET's currently out of commission, Wright has started looking like a real contributor, Ginobli's jacked up, TMac's out for the season, the Lakers recently traded away one of their rotation guys for cap relief and a bad porn 'stache, and that none of the major trade chips the Mavs had at their disposal will have lost any value when the summer roles around.

Bring on the rest of the season, and lets see what these guys can do.

I would say something but all that really needs to be said is +1

Listening to Stein this afternoon it kinda bums me out we missed on the one off chance of getting Rudy Gay. It obviously wasn't going to happen, but they did their due diligence and investigated the situation. Chandler is interesting, I wonder what exactly would've been sent in that direction.

It's really bizarre, IMO, that Lafrentz, Wally and some other big expiring deals didn't get dealt...at all. It just shows it was dead period and you could try all you want but you probably weren't getting anywhere. That definitely hurt the Mavs, teams were going to wait to see if they were the lucky ones to get those dump offs...and it never happened or got close apparently.

mavErika · 02-19-2009, 11:32 PM

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_yl...yhoo&type=lgns

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League distributes financial warning

The NBA sent out an ominous memo to its teams on the eve of the league’s trade deadline to outline dramatic projected drops in salary-cap and luxury-tax levels for the next two summers, Yahoo! Sports has learned.

Because of rapidly declining revenues, the league office delivered a sobering warning to teams trying to free cap space for the historic free-agent class of 2010: Owners and executives will likely have to strip more payroll than initially planned.

At a time when most of the league’s teams are trying to shed salary, these stark projections did nothing to encourage the absorbing of top talent and pricey contracts in the final hours leading up to Thursday’s 3 p.m. ET trade deadline.

“They’re scaring the crap out of the people,” one Western Conference executive said Wednesday night. “There were already not enough buyers in this market, and after seeing that [memo], there are even less now.”

One West GM predicted the market could become even more flooded after the season.

“You’re not going to believe the number of players that will be out there [on the trade market],” he said. “But I don’t know how many teams will be willing to take them on.”

So maybe standing pat was the right choice, after all?
I don't want the FO to to gamble for the 2010class either and passing the deadline, without anything that gives us hope for instant improvement, sure is frustrating. More so as this team has one of the few owners willing to spend, which always seemed to be extremely advantogeous these times.
But since we witnessed such a lack of impactful midseason-trades in the whole league, it seems to me that there haven't been any good bargains out there, although I can't explain why that would be the case.

Now, I just make myself look at it this way: We passed on risky inner-season roster-changes, which may have brought slight improvement, to benefit from an ongoing bad and worsening economy and land a blockbuster-steal in the 2009 offseason, which brings us over the top. Be it!

Anyhow, I don't like how that makes us choose between hopes for mav-trade-perspectives and for a re-flourishing economy.
At least we should blame the FO for that matter!

Edit: Looks like I could have used BG's post to comment the article as well, but I leave mine as redundant as it is.

MavsWiLLHaVeRinGs · 02-20-2009, 12:08 AM

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Originally Posted by LonghornDub

Name a starting point guard in this league who Chris Paul hasn't dominated. Go.

Deron Williams but that's it. Deron just has his number for some reason.

StackAttack · 02-20-2009, 12:34 AM

Dear everyone still bitching,

Even though you may not understand it (I don't either), there's a reason Donnie Nelson is an NBA GM and none of us are.

Love,
StackAttack

MavsWiLLHaVeRinGs · 02-20-2009, 12:38 AM

So another words, since he's a GM and so he can't do anything wrong? Why would a team ever fire a GM then? That's what I thought.

LonghornDub · 02-20-2009, 12:42 AM

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Originally Posted by MavsWiLLHaVeRinGs

Deron Williams but that's it. Deron just has his number for some reason.

You're right. That's one. And he's basically the only one. For all the Harris fanboys out there, they conveniently seem to forget that CP3 has destroyed Harris, just as he's destroyed Kidd.

mac222b · 02-20-2009, 01:03 AM

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Originally Posted by StackAttack

Dear everyone still bitching,

Even though you may not understand it (I don't either), there's a reason Donnie Nelson is an NBA GM and none of us are.

Love,
StackAttack

It's called nepotism

mac222b · 02-20-2009, 01:05 AM

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Originally Posted by LonghornDub

You're right. That's one. And he's basically the only one. For all the Harris fanboys out there, they conveniently seem to forget that CP3 has destroyed Harris, just as he's destroyed Kidd.

CP3 is the 2nd best player on the planet.

chumdawg · 02-20-2009, 01:10 AM

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Originally Posted by mac222b

It's called nepotism

Bingo!

Let's think about all the talent Cuban has run out of town. Nash, Finley, Daniels, Del Harris, Don Nelson, and Donnie Nelson's ability to do his job.

That pretty much gets you where you are right now!

TheMaverick · 02-20-2009, 02:00 AM

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Originally Posted by MavsWiLLHaVeRinGs

Deron Williams but that's it. Deron just has his number for some reason.

Because Deron is a better player than Chris Paul.

BGMaverick9 · 02-20-2009, 02:02 AM

The armchair GM in me is already looking ahead to the summer...I see some pretty decent options, I'll have to delve into that some more tomorrow. The NyQuil has officially kicked in, I STILL hate being sick.

xavier · 02-20-2009, 02:46 AM

wow,
our front office fking sucks!!!!!!!!

DevinHarriswillstart · 02-20-2009, 05:36 AM

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Originally Posted by StackAttack

Dear everyone still bitching,

Even though you may not understand it (I don't either), there's a reason Donnie Nelson is an NBA GM and none of us are.

Love,
StackAttack

Yeah, I have to say, if Don Nelson was my father, I'd be working in the NBA as well.

tcat075 · 02-20-2009, 07:40 AM

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Originally Posted by TheMaverick

Because Deron is a better player than Chris Paul.

How?

Paul averages more points, rebounds, assists and steals. He averages less turnovers. And he shoots better both on the floor and behind the arc than Deron Williams.

MX425 · 02-20-2009, 09:24 AM

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Originally Posted by chumdawg

Bingo!

Let's think about all the talent Cuban has run out of town. Nash, Finley, Daniels, Del Harris, Don Nelson, and Donnie Nelson's ability to do his job.

That pretty much gets you where you are right now!

now, now. This is a lot of half truths and you know it. Nash left cause Cuban wouldn't pay what phoenix would, and that was his error. Finley he had a chance to get out from under a huge contract and yeah finley played allright for Sa as a 5th or 6th option. Daniels was traded for croshire who did more for us at the time. Del Harris left because a new cocah came in and they probably had his own idea of who he wanted ot work with. and Don Nelson? How many chamionships has that guy won again? It always seems to slip my mind. O yeah, now a I remember, 0.

There is things these GMs know that we don't. Who was really available and at what price. Half our ideas are half cocked and often have no basis in the real world.

Dirkenstien · 02-20-2009, 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

Yeah, I have to say, if Don Nelson was my father, I'd be working in the NBA as well.

Precisely.

What exactly has Donnie Nelson accomplished since he's been our GM? He said he didn't want to coach this team because he could accomplish more in the front office, well I hate to say it but anyone...and I mean ANYONE... could have done what he's done so far. It's quite apparent now that he just didn't want to give up his pretty little office where he sits comfortably, gets paid millions, and does nothing.

He needs to be fired. He has a dream job and he is completely sucking at it.

Underdog · 02-20-2009, 10:23 AM

...but if we fire Donnie, we'll only have Cuban to bitch about!

(which means half of you wouldn't have anything to talk about while the other half would talk about the same thing over & over & over & over & over & over again...)

purplefrog · 02-20-2009, 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Dirkenstien

Precisely.

What exactly has Donnie Nelson accomplished since he's been our GM? He said he didn't want to coach this team because he could accomplish more in the front office, well I hate to say it but anyone...and I mean ANYONE... could have done what he's done so far. It's quite apparent now that he just didn't want to give up his pretty little office where he sits comfortably, gets paid millions, and does nothing.

He needs to be fired. He has a dream job and he is completely sucking at it.

Was it Donnie who arranged the Dirk for Traylor trade? That aside, I have felt Donnie is has been not much more than a couch potato for some time now.

TheMaverick · 02-20-2009, 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by tcat075

How?

Paul averages more points, rebounds, assists and steals. He averages less turnovers. And he shoots better both on the floor and behind the arc than Deron Williams.

He just is. People in Dallas overrate Chris Paul and Baron Davis.

Usually Lurkin · 02-20-2009, 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by chumdawg

Bingo!

Let's think about all the talent Cuban has run out of town. Nash, Finley, Daniels, Del Harris, Don Nelson, and Donnie Nelson's ability to do his job.

That pretty much gets you where you are right now!

hmmm, let's imagine a team with all that talent on it. Plus Dirk Nowitzki entering his prime. Do you think that team could win a championship? And just for fun, let's imagine all they really have to do is beat the Kings and the Spurs to get into the finals. Do you think they could win? Well, they didn't. All that talent simply wasn't good enough. So what're you gonna do, suffer as an 'almost good enough' or take some risk on some changes?

SMC0007 · 02-20-2009, 11:16 AM

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Was it Donnie who arranged the Dirk for Traylor trade? That aside, I have felt Donnie is has been not much more than a couch potato for some time now.

He had something to do with it because I believe he was over scouting him, but I'm not sure he was in charge of the decision making on it. Even if so, cool he threw up a hail mary and it paid off big time about 11 yrs ago.

***Donnie is on 1310 The Ticket now and the first words out of his mouth were "WE like our boys in blue" . Ugh what a beating.

TheMaverick · 02-20-2009, 11:25 AM

The Mavs will be fine. There wasn't a move out there that would have guaranteed us a championship. 2010 is not a sure thing, but at least we should give ourselves a chance. We're going to finish between 5-7 this year in the West and may win one playoff series at best... is winning two before meeting LA really that much better?

alby · 02-20-2009, 11:26 AM

It's pretty much a foregone conclusion that Stern will have Kobe or Shaq in the Finals.

MX425 · 02-20-2009, 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by TheMaverick

He just is. People in Dallas overrate Chris Paul and Baron Davis.

so far I think you have been on point with all your assesments, but this is ludacris. Deron might be better heads up, certain players have skills defensively that bother certain players. i.e. Kobe and Battier, but there is no way Deron is better the Paul. It's just not true. And I think Baron is overrated.

Also, if Chris Paul is overrated it's not just Dallas, at least I doubt 889 MVP vote points just came from Dallas.

SMC0007 · 02-20-2009, 11:30 AM

The Mavs are going to have one hell of a battle to stay afloat in the playoff race. Someone is going to miss out and both the Suns and Utah are playing well the last few games. This will be a great battle to watch for sure. It could hurt pretty bad if we lost to Houston tonight.

TheMaverick · 02-20-2009, 11:42 AM

All I will say is hype.

Deron has a better shot, is stronger, and is the better one on one defender.

He just isn't as flashy, he doesn't play the passing lanes, he's not part of Team Jordan, he doesn't befriend all the A-list stars in the NBA, he doesn't have the love from ESPN, he plays in Utah, and most importantly he doesn't have Paul's offensive system.

I know this is a lost cause, because everyone will say Chris Paul is the superior player. But, IMO the only thing that Deron does not do as well as Paul is travel during his spin moves.

MX425 · 02-20-2009, 11:52 AM

Deron is not the passer Paul is. Deron is not as quick as Paul is. Both are great PG, prob top 2 in the league but if I was starting a franchise Paul is the PG I would choose.

Also, I am into Fantasy Basketball and prob give the stats to much credit but Paul is by far and a way the best PG on stats. Heck, hes the best player in the league on stats.

LonghornDub · 02-20-2009, 12:00 PM

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Because Deron is a better player than Chris Paul.

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He just is. People in Dallas overrate Chris Paul and Baron Davis.

So your argument is that, contrary to the raw numbers and the perception of just about everyone outside of Utah, Deron is better than Chris Paul? And the rationale for your claim is that, "He's just better"?

Not exactly compelling

TheMaverick · 02-20-2009, 12:04 PM

I just gave you reasons to why I think he is better.

Whatever everyone's perception may be, AT WORST--it is 1a and 1b.

LonghornDub · 02-20-2009, 12:06 PM

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I just gave you reasons to why I think he is better.

Whatever everyone's perception may be, AT WORST--it is 1a and 1b.

You named a few things he's better at, but I could easily conjure up a longer list of things Paul is better at.

TheMaverick · 02-20-2009, 12:08 PM

Like I said, it's a moot point because people have already decided on how they feel about Chris Paul.

LonghornDub · 02-20-2009, 12:12 PM

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Like I said, it's a moot point because people have already decided on how they feel about Chris Paul.

I don't think it's ever necessarily a "moot point" to get your opinion out there, as long as it's intelligent (which yours is, even if most of us disagree).

That said, the problem with your logic is that you're not recognizing that there are reasons why people have made up their minds that way. If people's minds are hard to change, it's not because they're blindly being stubborn about a player they have no connection to or rooting interest in. It's because the reasons they feel that player is superior are more persuasive.

TheMaverick · 02-20-2009, 12:14 PM

And it's not worth it to argue for something so vehemently online when 99.9 percent of the time message board members do not change their opinions regardless of the points that are made. This is why I genuinely respect the members that are open to new opinions. I believe it was alby that was the driver of the Josh Howard Trade Express a few months ago but he recently said that Josh has been playing a lot better and that he's a believer in him again.

We are all here because we are fans of the Dallas Mavericks so it's not worth spending so much effort on Chris Paul or Deron Williams, who both kill us each time they face us lol.

u2sarajevo · 02-20-2009, 12:16 PM

I think I got it this time. Because I'm cool like that.

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LonghornDub · 02-20-2009, 12:16 PM

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And it's not worth it to argue for something so vehemently online when 99.9 percent of the time message board members do not change their opinions regardless of the points that are made.

I don't think that's accurate at all, but ok. It certainly isn't accurate from my vantage point (I wavered constantly on Josh, Avery, Stack, Green, Wright, Damp....could go on and on), nor the vantage point of most of the regulars on here.