GDT|Game 56 | Mavs @ Spurs | 02/24/09 | 730 CST - Page 14 - Dallas-Mavs.com Forums

Janett_Reno · 02-24-2009, 10:47 PM

Another problem we have is any good to great pg like Parker, Williams, Billups, Paul could go for 30 to 50 points on us anynight if they wanted to. Nash has always been such a good ast man and scorrer but his defense is lacking but was able to make pgs charge. This now is a huge prob for Phx also as those same pg's above can go for 30 to 50 on Nash anytime they wanted also.

Barea is small and hard for him to defend and Kiss and Nash is old and had to much wear and tear and the fact those pg's are very good in the west. So not only does teams get in the paint on us and Phx but it is hard for our pg's to keep these good to great pg's out of the paint. That breaks you down.

tcat075 · 02-24-2009, 10:48 PM

I have one question: isn't tomorrow a back-to-back?

If that answer is yes, then another question: why did Dirk play until one minute left in the 4th?

Dim499 · 02-24-2009, 10:48 PM

74 points against a Spurs team with no Duncan that starts Bonner, Mason and Finley who are usually only there for offense is embarrassing.

tcat075 · 02-24-2009, 10:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Dtownsfinest

Ending a game with Josh, Dirk, Kidd, Barea and Singleton is embarrassing. This just isn't going to cut it. Maybe a move for Marbury wouldn't be the worst thing. I'd rather have him jack up shots than Barea.

Marbury is taller, thus can defend better by mere height...

Dtownsfinest · 02-24-2009, 10:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Bayliss

Why get ready for Milwaukee? Seriously? They should be able to beat them. They are playing at home.

I've seen this Mavs team lose to the best competition and the worst. There's no such thing as an easy win for this team.

tcat075 · 02-24-2009, 10:49 PM

3-19 from three-point land.

edit: And two of those treys? From James Singleton, a 20% 3PT shooter. That's bad.

craggmac · 02-24-2009, 10:49 PM

The last three 3-point shots that the Mavs took looked like my shot when I was in the 4th grade.

twistaeffect2004 · 02-24-2009, 10:50 PM

Funny thing is, I'm not really pissed about this loss.

It's rare these days when the Mavs beat a good team on the road. They beat the Magic, but they seem to be in a tailspin.

Duno, I just don't expect much again these teams.

dalger · 02-24-2009, 10:51 PM

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Originally Posted by twistaeffect2004

This is why it's impossible to get excited about this team.

The inconsistency with this team is why they're going to be fighting for their playoff lives until April.

Getting stomped by San Antonio without Duncan and Ginobli is pretty bad. Not once tonight did the Mavs look like a good team. They all played very flat, bad basketball. Against a division foe, without two of their leaders.

Not a good sign.

You're right. It's probably going to be a race for the final playoff spot between Phoenix and us. New Orleans should be alright with Chandler being somewhat healthy again and Utah is finally healthy for the first time all season and certainly better than we are. The only hope I have is that JET could be on the court again sooner than expected. We're badly missing him.

But even Terry couldn't change the fact that we're not good or at least consistent enough to be more than a 7th or 8th seed with no hope of making it to the second round in the playoffs. We're exactly where we were 12 months ago.

Dtownsfinest · 02-24-2009, 10:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Dim499

74 points against a Spurs team with no Duncan that starts Bonner, Mason and Finley who are usually only there for offense is embarrassing.

Yea but they play great team defense. Not great individual defenders but they know where to be on defense. Not to mention Hill, Udoka and Bowen got some play. I thought Oberto was huge too. Offensively the Mavs could've been better but they left too much to be desired defensively. They just let the Spurs go to work on them. Shots tonight for the Spurs were rarely contested. The only reason they didn't get 100 is because Parker missed like 6 layups.

Fidel · 02-24-2009, 10:52 PM

Our great hall of fame PG with another huge game.

2 pts, 4 ast, 6 rb in 34 minutes.

Janett_Reno · 02-24-2009, 10:53 PM

We will have major decisons to make in the off season and in which direction we want to go or bascially stay a 500 team and stay the same.

We went from needing to get a good tall physical driving sg to now needing a pg that can drive in half court and one that is not as old as Kidd and can play defense and taller than Barea. To that same sg and Terry is good but we need to be able to run in and out a big tall driving sg or Terry as a smaller deadley shooter. Plus we need some kind of inside scorring and we also needed this earlier but it is really bad now.

Not sure we can get all that in one off season but it needs to be addressed along with this team playing defense again.

odb 7777 · 02-24-2009, 10:54 PM

I´m speechless...

Dtownsfinest · 02-24-2009, 10:54 PM

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Originally Posted by twistaeffect2004

Funny thing is, I'm not really pissed about this loss.

It's rare these days when the Mavs beat a good team on the road. They beat the Magic, but they seem to be in a tailspin.

Duno, I just don't expect much again these teams.

I knew it would be tough even without Ginobilli but did you expect this ass wooping without Duncan? Great coaches can pull these wins out. Sloan has made a career of winning games he's not suppose to with his star players being out. But tonight? Maybe the Mavs didn't have enough time to gameplan for what to do if Duncan didn't play but it shouldn't have mattered. They should attack the basket even with Duncan out there.

BGMaverick9 · 02-24-2009, 10:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Dtownsfinest

Yea but they play great team defense. Not great individual defenders but they know where to be on defense. Not to mention Hill, Udoka and Bowen got some play. I thought Oberto was huge too. Offensively the Mavs could've been better but they left too much to be desired defensively. They just let the Spurs go to work on them. Shots tonight for the Spurs were rarely contested. The only reason they didn't get 100 is because Parker missed like 6 layups.

For the defense, the Spurs locked the paint down, IMO. Wright can usually slash his way in here but it got congested and the angles weren't clearly there as usual. Whenever they actually got there they didn't go in or the Spurs recovered right when they needed to and got some timely blocks.

tcat075 · 02-24-2009, 10:54 PM

But the Mavs are notorious for playing awful on the end of a back-to-back. It just doesn't make any sense to me that you'd play your franchise player for 40 minutes in a game that was a blowout most of the 4th quarter. Dirk sometimes doesn't even get 40 minutes in close games when his shot is falling...

AxdemxO · 02-24-2009, 10:55 PM

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Originally Posted by tcat075

I have one question: isn't tomorrow a back-to-back?

If that answer is yes, then another question: why did Dirk play until one minute left in the 4th?

Because he sucked and should have stayed out there to feel the embarrassment along with the other starters

Janett_Reno · 02-24-2009, 10:57 PM

I think you are right on how good a coach Pops and Sloan is. Pops is just great and could probably win with almost any team in the nba. He is that good. Sloan can also or make a team alot tougher and win but i am amazed Sloan has not won it all. I still know how good he is and i keep thinking maybe a Jazz team will slip up and sting the Spurs or Lakers but then again he is up against Pops and Jackson and Jackson is very good also. Three very good coaches out west.

tcat075 · 02-24-2009, 11:00 PM

Anyone want some pitiful stats?

Starters were a combined 15/49 shooting.

Tony Parker made as many FG's as all of the Mavs starters combined.

Only two bench players made field goals (Barea + Singleton). A third scored from a FT (Bass). This is despite Dampier playing merely 9 minutes.

Tony Parker had more assists (12) than the entire Mavericks team (10).

One good stat: Singleton had 7 (!?is that right?!) offensive rebounds...

Dtownsfinest · 02-24-2009, 11:03 PM

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Originally Posted by BGMaverick9

For the defense, the Spurs locked the paint down, IMO. Wright can usually slash his way in here but it got congested and the angles weren't clearly there as usual. Whenever they actually got there they didn't go in or the Spurs recovered right when they needed to and got some timely blocks.

Yea I think people thought without Duncan the Spurs defense would suffer but that doesn't happen with a Popovich coached team. Kurt Thomas is a damn good defender. And he's a lot bigger and physical than Duncan is so they don't lose much there and I knew they wouldn't. I didn't think Oberto would come in the game and do what he did. He made Dirk work for everything he threw up.

odb 7777 · 02-24-2009, 11:05 PM

Spurs lacking offense: Parker 37 points and takes 32 shots! Aggressive as hell!
We lacking offense: Dirk 14 points and takes 15 shots! That`s he is - a passiv pussy! A laid back guy!

Janett_Reno · 02-24-2009, 11:05 PM

Was Dampier hurt? Every coach we get seems to get into Don Nelson style and drifting Dirk back at center or jerking any center out we have like Dampier. I know Dampier can't score but if we play all guards and forwards we even suck worse on defense.

Look at Kurt Thomas and maybe this guy is one of the few guys older than Cassell and Kidd in the league and is way undersized. 15 rebounds on us. 5 for 7 and 3 block shots. He looks like a super star against us. I am not surprised by Parker because he can do that to us when he wants and has alot in the past.

Maybe Dampier is hurt but our coaches and the nextone, if we get a new one next year will not win with Dirk at center or us just not playing any center. It won't work and it makes guys like Kurt thomas super stars, Mutombo would be aganst us and maybe even Bradley could come back against us and if we play no center, him be a super star.

BGMaverick9 · 02-24-2009, 11:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Dtownsfinest

Yea I think people thought without Duncan the Spurs defense would suffer but that doesn't happen with a Popovich coached team. Kurt Thomas is a damn good defender. And he's a lot bigger and physical than Duncan is so they don't lose much there and I knew they wouldn't. I didn't think Oberto would come in the game and do what he did. He made Dirk work for everything he threw up.

Oberto is a pest-like player and isn't afraid to be physical, that's right up the alley to derail Dirk. He knows he can be aggressive because he has support behind him if Dirk gets past him.

Dtownsfinest · 02-24-2009, 11:10 PM

Wow. Barea's stat line looks damn good but its misleading as hell. I thought any time this team needed momentum he killed any chance of it.

tcat075 · 02-24-2009, 11:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Dtownsfinest

Wow. Barea's stat line looks damn good but its misleading as hell. I thought any time this team needed momentum he killed any chance of it.

seriously...

Dtownsfinest · 02-24-2009, 11:13 PM

Wow. Props to Singleton. He missed some key shots but 14 and 14 is a great game. We needed someone to take over for Jet's departure and he did.

WraithXx · 02-24-2009, 11:14 PM

It's not amusing...stop.

Dtownsfinest · 02-24-2009, 11:15 PM

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Originally Posted by BGMaverick9

Oberto is a pest-like player and isn't afraid to be physical, that's right up the alley to derail Dirk. He knows he can be aggressive because he has support behind him if Dirk gets past him.

Yea with as close as Oberto played Dirk I thought Dirk could take advantage of that. Get him on some pump fakes and take him to the rack. Its got to be a way Dirk can dominate guys who play up so close to him. And the help on Dirk was fantastic. I don't give Dirk a pass for this game but i'd probably give more credit for Dirk's bad performance to the Spurs than Dirk himself.

nowhereman · 02-24-2009, 11:17 PM

we suck.

2 steals for the whole game? 19 3 point attempts? I'm glad I learned my lesson from the Houston game and gave up after 3 quarters.

nowhereman · 02-24-2009, 11:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Janett_Reno

Was Dampier hurt? Every coach we get seems to get into Don Nelson style and drifting Dirk back at center or jerking any center out we have like Dampier. I know Dampier can't score but if we play all guards and forwards we even suck worse on defense.

Look at Kurt Thomas and maybe this guy is one of the few guys older than Cassell and Kidd in the league and is way undersized. 15 rebounds on us. 5 for 7 and 3 block shots. He looks like a super star against us. I am not surprised by Parker because he can do that to us when he wants and has alot in the past.

Maybe Dampier is hurt but our coaches and the nextone, if we get a new one next year will not win with Dirk at center or us just not playing any center. It won't work and it makes guys like Kurt thomas super stars, Mutombo would be aganst us and maybe even Bradley could come back against us and if we play no center, him be a super star.

no, dampier was just playing like sh*t

BGMaverick9 · 02-24-2009, 11:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Dtownsfinest

Yea with as close as Oberto played Dirk I thought Dirk could take advantage of that. Get him on some pump fakes and take him to the rack. Its got to be a way Dirk can dominate guys who play up so close to him. And the help on Dirk was fantastic. I don't give Dirk a pass for this game but i'd probably give more credit for Dirk's bad performance to the Spurs than Dirk himself.

I don't think he has the first step or push to the basket it that can get him past the defender. If it's a smaller guy, the speed won't matter - the smaller guy will catch him and can lead to an offensive foul. If it's a taller guy he's losing momentum by trying to go around the big guy and the help defense can come.

I don't think he has the space to pump fake or anything, people are catching him with his movement to gather some momentum with the arm-circle/clearing out move...they're getting in the way and getting the foul called.

LonghornDub · 02-25-2009, 12:44 AM

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Then, when it's all said and done, I may drop trow and take a dump in front of their trophy case (which, of course, is right inside the main entrance to the building).

I decided to forego this because the Mavs had already left a steaming pile of sh*t on the hardwood at the AT&T Center.

BGMaverick9 · 02-25-2009, 12:46 AM

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I decided to forego this because the Mavs had already left a steaming pile of sh*t on the hardwood at the AT&T Center.

That they did my friend...that they did.

That couldn't have been fun at all.

LonghornDub · 02-25-2009, 12:49 AM

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That they did my friend...that they did.

That couldn't have been fun at all.

It wasn't, but not even because they lost. They lost both games there last year (granted, by like 3 combined points), but they were both a blast. This game wasn't fun at all because the Mavs were clearly mailing it in. It was clear to me from about halfway into the first quarter that the majority of the team really didn't want to put forth the effort.

Hell, it was so bad that the arena was more tepid than I've ever seen it. The Mavs lackadaisical play even sucked the energy from a lot of the Spurs fans.

BGMaverick9 · 02-25-2009, 12:52 AM

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Originally Posted by LonghornDub

It wasn't, but not even because they lost. They lost both games there last year (granted, by like 3 combined points), but they were both a blast. This game wasn't fun at all because the Mavs were clearly mailing it in. It was clear to me from about halfway into the first quarter that the majority of the team really didn't want to put forth the effort.

Hell, it was so bad that the arena was more tepid than I've ever seen it. The Mavs lackadaisical play even sucked the energy from a lot of the Spurs fans.

It didn't even seem like the arena was full for a while past the tip off. I don't remember when it got full, but it doesn't seem like SA fans to do that for their beloved spurs and the game was a "late" tip.

It just didn't have a very live feel to it at ALL, right from the tip.

DevinHarriswillstart · 02-25-2009, 02:16 AM

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Originally Posted by LonghornDub

It wasn't, but not even because they lost. They lost both games there last year (granted, by like 3 combined points), but they were both a blast. This game wasn't fun at all because the Mavs were clearly mailing it in. It was clear to me from about halfway into the first quarter that the majority of the team really didn't want to put forth the effort.

Hell, it was so bad that the arena was more tepid than I've ever seen it. The Mavs lackadaisical play even sucked the energy from a lot of the Spurs fans.

Effort is the team's biggest issue this season for me. I can't even believe that I'm watching the Mavericks with how little effort they give sometimes.

LonghornDub · 02-25-2009, 02:38 AM

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Effort is the team's biggest issue this season for me. I can't even believe that I'm watching the Mavericks with how little effort they give sometimes.

I certainly didn't feel like I was watching a Mavericks team tonight.

GermanDunk · 02-25-2009, 04:43 AM

Thank god, i stayed in bed. I´ll pass on the download. Or...

left texas · 02-25-2009, 04:50 AM

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we suck.

Most insightful opinion that I have read!! I sure can't disagree, Mavs suck.

eyedentifyme · 02-25-2009, 05:30 AM

This blueprint for success has failed when the master distributor can't score the ball himself. We need to surround Dirk with scorers in all positions to be successful from the way it's looking. We shouldn't be losing a lot of games if we plan on winning the championship even if Dirk is doubled or taken out of the game completely. Our holes presently are a scoring point guard, a scoring center, and a scoring shooting guard. Whether it's in 2009 or 2010, the Mavericks need to fill those spots. Ball movement and passing is part of the battle. But, if we have scorers in each position then we can pick and roll/pick and pop against any team without having to depend on Dirk all the time. Some players the Mavericks should look into further: Caron Butler, Raymond Felton , Elton Brand, Chris Kaman, Emeka Okafor, Kenyon Martin, Vince Carter, Allen Iverson, Ron Artest, Carlos Boozer, Shaq, Andrea Bargnani, Charlie Villanueva, Ramon Sessions, Richard Jefferson, Stephen Jackson, Corey Maggette, Josh Smith, and more.