12-17-2008, 01:48 PM
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Maybe Gerald's not been practicing well. Maybe his attitude landed him in the doghouse. Maybe the coaching staff is actually really pleased with his work ethic and commitment, but feel like there are some aspects of his game that need refinement in order to for him to become the best player he can be long-term (ball-handling, passing, defensive technique), and feel its better for his development if he can work on getting his skill set together in practice before they ease him back into the lineup.
Here's the main point, though. We simply haven't seen enough good basketball (as distinct from crazy athleticism and youthful energy) out of Green to call Rick a fool for not playing him. Factor in what JJB's done with his chance (highest on-court +/- on the team right now; integral part of a rotation that's managed to turn the corner on that 2-7 start by going 11-3 since), and the accusation seems even more unjustified.
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12-17-2008, 01:57 PM
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Originally Posted by grndmstr_c
Maybe Gerald's not been practicing well. Maybe his attitude landed him in the doghouse. Maybe the coaching staff is actually really pleased with his work ethic and commitment, but feel like there are some aspects of his game that need refinement in order to for him to become the best player he can be long-term (ball-handling, passing, defensive technique), and feel its better for his development if he can work on getting his skill set together in practice before they ease him back into the lineup.
Here's the main point, though. We simply haven't seen enough good basketball (as distinct from crazy athleticism and youthful energy) out of Green to call Rick a fool for not playing him. Factor in what JJB's done with his chance (highest on-court +/- on the team right now; integral part of a rotation that's managed to turn the corner on that 2-7 start by going 11-3 since), and the accusation seems even more unjustified.
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You make good points Grandmaster but I guess we'll have to agree to disagree, how can burying a player on the bench make him the best player he can be longterm? Most of the time young players get better when the coach tells them he trusts them and gives them minutes. And JJB playing well actually proves my point, Rick gave JJ minutes which is why JJ is shining right now, im pretty sure if he did the same for Green we would see a similar or probably better result.
And like I said before it makes no sense to start someone who is 5 foot 10 inches at SG over someone who is 6 foot 8
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12-17-2008, 03:55 PM
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There's a critical difference between JJB and Green, namely that JJB's toolbox of basketball fundamentals seems to be pretty nearly complete. A guy who's got the foundation in place is going to get more out of in-game experience than a guy who's very much a work in progress, because in-game experience isn't about developing a skill-set, it's about learning how to get the best use out of the skills you already possess. JJB has had success because he has the skills, and because he's been able to take a step forward in terms of using those skills in a way that helps the team (I'm hoping there are more steps he'll be able to make, because there's still considerable room for improvement with his decision making). Gerald, on the other hand, doesn't have the skills, so I'd argue that the in-game experience isn't going to do him nearly as much good at this point.
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And like I said before it makes no sense to start someone who is 5 foot 10 inches at SG over someone who is 6 foot 8
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It makes perfect sense if the team plays better with the little guy than with the bigger guy (and lest we forget, it makes a difference that when your starting PG has the size to play shooting guard, and the strength and rebounding ability of a SF). That said, I'd like to see JJB transition back to the bench, with Josh, and perhaps Wright finding their way back into the starting 5. Barring a trade, or significant improvements from Green or Williams, I'm expecting the Kidd/Wright/Josh/Dirk/Damp lineup to be the best choice as a starting 5.
Which reminds me, honestly, that Wright's absence (assuming he's healthy) is more puzzling to me than Green's, since Wright looked to be finding his way before the injury. Best I can figure, and it would seem to fit with what we've seen of Carlisle so far, is that DG's been doing well enough filling a role in the starting lineup that features JJB that Carlisle's going to continue giving him a chance for the time being. Perhaps he'd also prefer to wok one player into the starting 5 at a time, and getting Josh up to speed is a higher priority.
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12-17-2008, 04:10 PM
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I think this team is still torn between wanting to win this year and playing for the future. JJB on the floor gives us a better chance to win games right now, and with 9 teams battling it out for 8 spots in the west, every game could be important in the standings. I think this is also responsible for Diop seeing no minutes, George seeing way too many minutes, Bass not playing as much, etc. If the Mavs were just a little worse--enough so that the playoffs looked like they weren't going to happen for them this year--then I think the smart move would be as many minutes as possible for Green, Wright, Diop, Williams, Bass...even JJB, at point, rather than alongside Kidd. That way you'd see what we have for the future, guys would learn, we'd get a better shot at the lottery...but that would be a total give-up this year, which they're not ready to acknowledge this year. Becomes the same problem the Yankees have had the last few years--there's no patience for a "rebuilding" year or two in the organization.
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12-17-2008, 04:32 PM
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I don't think they're torn at all with concerns to that. Right now, they are 100% about winning this season.
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12-17-2008, 04:44 PM
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There's a critical difference between JJB and Green, namely that JJB's toolbox of basketball fundamentals seems to be pretty nearly complete. A guy who's got the foundation in place is going to get more out of in-game experience than a guy who's very much a work in progress, because in-game experience isn't about developing a skill-set, it's about learning how to get the best use out of the skills you already possess. JJB has had success because he has the skills, and because he's been able to take a step forward in terms of using those skills in a way that helps the team (I'm hoping there are more steps he'll be able to make, because there's still considerable room for improvement with his decision making). Gerald, on the other hand, doesn't have the skills, so I'd argue that the in-game experience isn't going to do him nearly as much good at this point.
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I think Green would have already improved if he were still starting. He needs to take his lumps and play thru it "in-game". I agree that he probably couldn't gain as much as JJB from in-game exp but I think with our record and the injuries we have had it would have only helped us overall going forward for him to have continued his starting.
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12-17-2008, 06:06 PM
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I see what GMC is saying, but in the end, I still believe Carlisle is making a mistake by not playing Green. Especially when you consider how thin our bench is anyway. Based on what I've seen, I really don't think Green is that far from being a 10+ scorer every night. Bottom line, as far as his position is concerned, I think Green is our best option.
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12-17-2008, 06:54 PM
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As long as Green has his hands up, Kidd easily gets him 6 points.
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12-17-2008, 07:07 PM
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I don't think they're torn at all with concerns to that. Right now, they are 100% about winning this season.
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Good point. I guess it's ME that is torn.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9VhZh-mBaUU
Watch this video and tell me why Gerald Green isn't starting.
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04-15-2009, 03:44 PM
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04-15-2009, 03:52 PM
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Anyone can have a good Game/highlight reel? Im going to use your own logic. Antoine Wright is the starting 2 guard but when Green was the starting 2 guard he had more "good" games than Wright. So why isn't he starting?
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04-15-2009, 04:02 PM
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Antoine Wright is the starting 2 guard but when Green was the starting 2 guard he had more "good" games than Wright.
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Bullsh!t...
Wright: 7.4ppg / +6.69eff / good defender / 25 double-digit scoring games
Green: 5.2ppg / +3.79eff / bad defender / 9 double-digit scoring games
(if you're going to lie, try to make it plausible...)
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04-15-2009, 04:03 PM
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Bullsh!t...
Wright: 7.4ppg / +6.69eff / good defender
Green: 5.2ppg / +3.79eff / bad defender
(if you're going to lie, try to make it plausible...)
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Hey internet thug, did you get my message?
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04-15-2009, 04:07 PM
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Greene is lazy defensivly and takes horrific shot attempts, Wright is quite simply the much better player
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04-15-2009, 04:15 PM
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Hey internet thug, did you get my message?
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I refuted your statement with facts and you're calling ME the thug? Rich...
Why don't you respond to the words I posted - what do you see in those numbers that makes Green a better choice than Wright?
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04-15-2009, 04:18 PM
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Anyone can have a good Game/highlight reel? Im going to use your own logic. Antoine Wright is the starting 2 guard but when Green was the starting 2 guard he had more "good" games than Wright. So why isn't he starting?
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Green isn't starting because he's not very good at basketball. At least not when compared to most other NBA players.
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04-15-2009, 04:22 PM
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I refuted your statement with facts and you're calling ME the thug? Rich...
Why don't you respond to the words I posted - what do you see in those numbers that makes Green a better choice than Wright?
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Yeah, I'm not entirely sure why he called you a thug. That was sort of out of place.
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Yeah, I'm not entirely sure why he called you a thug. That was sort of out of place.
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It's related to another thread. Underdog is only a thug in the political forums when a mod gets on one of his buddies...
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04-15-2009, 04:31 PM
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Underdog is only a thug in the political forums when a mod gets on one of his buddies...
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To be fair - I stood up for SilkSmoov the same way during the elections...
(and believe me - nobody was happier to see him banned than I was...)
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04-15-2009, 04:33 PM
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To be fair - I stood up for SilkSmoov the same way during the elections...
(and believe me - nobody was happier to see him banned than me...)
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True. Your true motivation is simply to fight the authority, no matter the venue.
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04-15-2009, 05:03 PM
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Time to own Underdog:
Gerald green vs Antoine Wright :
Green on Nov 3 vs Cavs: 16 mins, 10 Pts, 4 Rebs, 4-7 shooting, 2/2 Ft
Green on Nov 7 vs Nuggets: 14 mins, 13 Pts, 5-9 shooting, 1/1 Ft
Green on Nov 9 vs Clippers : 34 mins, 13 pts, 12 rebounds, 2 assists, 5-12 shooting
Green on Nov 11 vs Lakeshow: 25 mins, 17 pts, 6 rebounds, 1 stl, 6-15 shoting, 4/4 FT
Green on Nov 19 vs Rox: 13 mins, 6pts, 2 assists, 1 stl, 1 block
Green on Jan 11 vs Kings : 13 mins, 9pts, 4 rebs, 4-9 shooting
Green on Jan 13 vs Nuggets :16 mins, 8pts, 3-8 shooting
Green on Feb 5 vs Jazz: 10 mins, 6pts, 2-3 shooting, 1-1ft
Wright on Nov 25 vs Pacers: 39 mins, 24 pts, 4 rebs, 10-18 shooting, 0-5 from 3pt land
Wright on Jan 1 vs Knickerbockers: 21 mins, 13 pts, 2 assists, 6-8 shooting
Wright on Jan 11 vs Kings : 25 mins: 6 pts, 2 assists, 4 rebs, 3-7 shooting
Wright on Jan 13 vs Nuggets : 28 mins, 6pts, 1-7 shooting, 3 ast, 4rebs
Wright on Jan 14 vs Whorenets: 37 mins, 15pts, 3 asts, 3 rebs
Wright on Jan 28 vs Warriors : 25 mins, 9 pts, 1ast, 2 rebs, 4-7 shooting
Wright on Jan 31 vs Cheat: 17 mins, 6pts, 2 asts, 2-5 shooting
Wright on Feb 2 vs Magic : 29 mins, 6pts, 6 rebs, 2-4 shooting
Wright on Feb 5 vs Jazz: 14 mins, 0pts, 1 reb, 0-5 shooting
Wright on Feb 10 vs Kings: 24mins, 23pts, 3stl, 1ast, 8-14shooting, 6/6 ft
Wright on Feb 12 vs Celts: 31 mins, 10pts, 3 rebs, 4-10 shooting
Wright on Feb 27 vs Thunder: 27 mins, 5pts, 1reb, 2-5 shooting
Wright on March 10 vs Suns: 28 mins, 12 pts, 4 rebs, 4-6 shooting
Wright on March 11 vs Blazers: 30 mins, 2pts, 1 reb, 1-7 shooting
What this shows is that Wright gets more minutes than Green but Green has shown in that the few minutes he gets, if he's a starter like he was at the beginning of the season or if he's playing garbage time minutes like he is now: he can flat out score.
This is a team that consistently has scoring droughts, Green has proving that he can score and yet he cant get any playing time. If Green is being benched for his defense, then why is that at times we play a 3 guard lineup? Is someone going to try to say that Green's defense would be worse than 5'10 Barea at SG? Wright is not a bad player but Green is a better finisher, better athlete, better rebounder, shooter and scorer than Wright. Gerald green is better than Antoine Wright.
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04-15-2009, 05:13 PM
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Originally Posted by longsufferingmavsfan
Time to own Underdog:
Gerald green vs Antoine Wright :
Green on Nov 3 vs Cavs: 16 mins, 10 Pts, 4 Rebs, 4-7 shooting, 2/2 Ft
Green on Nov 7 vs Nuggets: 14 mins, 13 Pts, 5-9 shooting, 1/1 Ft
Green on Nov 9 vs Clippers : 34 mins, 13 pts, 12 rebounds, 2 assists, 5-12 shooting
Green on Nov 11 vs Lakeshow: 25 mins, 17 pts, 6 rebounds, 1 stl, 6-15 shoting, 4/4 FT
Green on Nov 19 vs Rox: 13 mins, 6pts, 2 assists, 1 stl, 1 block
Green on Jan 11 vs Kings : 13 mins, 9pts, 4 rebs, 4-9 shooting
Green on Jan 13 vs Nuggets :16 mins, 8pts, 3-8 shooting
Green on Feb 5 vs Jazz: 10 mins, 6pts, 2-3 shooting, 1-1ft
Wright on Nov 25 vs Pacers: 39 mins, 24 pts, 4 rebs, 10-18 shooting, 0-5 from 3pt land
Wright on Jan 1 vs Knickerbockers: 21 mins, 13 pts, 2 assists, 6-8 shooting
Wright on Jan 11 vs Kings : 25 mins: 6 pts, 2 assists, 4 rebs, 3-7 shooting
Wright on Jan 13 vs Nuggets : 28 mins, 6pts, 1-7 shooting, 3 ast, 4rebs
Wright on Jan 14 vs Whorenets: 37 mins, 15pts, 3 asts, 3 rebs
Wright on Jan 28 vs Warriors : 25 mins, 9 pts, 1ast, 2 rebs, 4-7 shooting
Wright on Jan 31 vs Cheat: 17 mins, 6pts, 2 asts, 2-5 shooting
Wright on Feb 2 vs Magic : 29 mins, 6pts, 6 rebs, 2-4 shooting
Wright on Feb 5 vs Jazz: 14 mins, 0pts, 1 reb, 0-5 shooting
Wright on Feb 10 vs Kings: 24mins, 23pts, 3stl, 1ast, 8-14shooting, 6/6 ft
Wright on Feb 12 vs Celts: 31 mins, 10pts, 3 rebs, 4-10 shooting
Wright on Feb 27 vs Thunder: 27 mins, 5pts, 1reb, 2-5 shooting
Wright on March 10 vs Suns: 28 mins, 12 pts, 4 rebs, 4-6 shooting
Wright on March 11 vs Blazers: 30 mins, 2pts, 1 reb, 1-7 shooting
What this shows is that Wright gets more minutes than Green but Green has shown in that the few minutes he gets, if he's a starter like he was at the beginning of the season or if he's playing garbage time minutes like he is now: he can flat out score.
This is a team that consistently has scoring droughts, Green has proving that he can score and yet he cant get any playing time. If Green is being benched for his defense, then why is that at times we play a 3 guard lineup? Is someone going to try to say that Green's defense would be worse than 5'10 Barea at SG? Wright is not a bad player but Green is a better finisher, better athlete, better rebounder, shooter and scorer than Wright. Gerald green is better than Antoine Wright.
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Want to try again? Wright and Green are both shooting 30% from 3, Wright is shooting 2% less than Green but it easy to argue Green gets that number higher for the sole reason of who he is generally playing against. Green averages about 2 rebounds more per 48 minutes not a huge difference, while Wright has about a 1.5-1 assist/ TO ratio, Greene is .5/1, which shows his horrific decision making, Wright is a much much better defender as he almost always guards the teams best 1/2/3 scorer. Wright is a much better bball player than Green, it isn't even close.
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04-15-2009, 05:36 PM
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Want to try again? Wright and Green are both shooting 30% from 3, Wright is shooting 2% less than Green but it easy to argue Green gets that number higher for the sole reason of who he is generally playing against. Green averages about 2 rebounds more per 48 minutes not a huge difference, while Wright has about a 1.5-1 assist/ TO ratio, Greene is .5/1, which shows his horrific decision making, Wright is a much much better defender as he almost always guards the teams best 1/2/3 scorer. Wright is a much better bball player than Green, it isn't even close.
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Try what again? Are you saying that Wright is a better finisher and shooter than Green is?
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Try what again? Are you saying that Wright is a better finisher and shooter than Green is?
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They are both just as bad at shooting (the numbers prove that)
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Originally Posted by longsufferingmavsfan
Time to own Underdog:
Gerald green vs Antoine Wright :
Green on Nov 3 vs Cavs: 16 mins, 10 Pts, 4 Rebs, 4-7 shooting, 2/2 Ft
Green on Nov 7 vs Nuggets: 14 mins, 13 Pts, 5-9 shooting, 1/1 Ft
Green on Nov 9 vs Clippers : 34 mins, 13 pts, 12 rebounds, 2 assists, 5-12 shooting
Green on Nov 11 vs Lakeshow: 25 mins, 17 pts, 6 rebounds, 1 stl, 6-15 shoting, 4/4 FT
Green on Nov 19 vs Rox: 13 mins, 6pts, 2 assists, 1 stl, 1 block
Green on Jan 11 vs Kings : 13 mins, 9pts, 4 rebs, 4-9 shooting
Green on Jan 13 vs Nuggets :16 mins, 8pts, 3-8 shooting
Green on Feb 5 vs Jazz: 10 mins, 6pts, 2-3 shooting, 1-1ft
Wright on Nov 25 vs Pacers: 39 mins, 24 pts, 4 rebs, 10-18 shooting, 0-5 from 3pt land
Wright on Jan 1 vs Knickerbockers: 21 mins, 13 pts, 2 assists, 6-8 shooting
Wright on Jan 11 vs Kings : 25 mins: 6 pts, 2 assists, 4 rebs, 3-7 shooting
Wright on Jan 13 vs Nuggets : 28 mins, 6pts, 1-7 shooting, 3 ast, 4rebs
Wright on Jan 14 vs Whorenets: 37 mins, 15pts, 3 asts, 3 rebs
Wright on Jan 28 vs Warriors : 25 mins, 9 pts, 1ast, 2 rebs, 4-7 shooting
Wright on Jan 31 vs Cheat: 17 mins, 6pts, 2 asts, 2-5 shooting
Wright on Feb 2 vs Magic : 29 mins, 6pts, 6 rebs, 2-4 shooting
Wright on Feb 5 vs Jazz: 14 mins, 0pts, 1 reb, 0-5 shooting
Wright on Feb 10 vs Kings: 24mins, 23pts, 3stl, 1ast, 8-14shooting, 6/6 ft
Wright on Feb 12 vs Celts: 31 mins, 10pts, 3 rebs, 4-10 shooting
Wright on Feb 27 vs Thunder: 27 mins, 5pts, 1reb, 2-5 shooting
Wright on March 10 vs Suns: 28 mins, 12 pts, 4 rebs, 4-6 shooting
Wright on March 11 vs Blazers: 30 mins, 2pts, 1 reb, 1-7 shooting
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I like how you pick & choose the numbers that best support your argument while ignoring the rest of the data...
Here's some more numbers:
Green: 4 teams in 3 years (traded twice, CUT once...)
Wright: 2 teams in 3 years (traded once...)
But I guess you're smarter than at least 3 other NBA coaches, not including Rick Carlisle who you're obviously smarter than because you're a head coach in the NBA and he's not...
[funny - I don't FEEL "owned"...]
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I like how you pick & choose the numbers that best support your argument while ignoring the rest of the data...
Here's some more numbers:
Green: 4 teams in 3 years (traded twice, CUT once...)
Wright: 2 teams in 3 years (traded once...)
But I guess you're smarter than at least 3 other NBA coaches, not including Rick Carlisle who you're obviously smarter than because you're a head coach in the NBA and he's not...
[funny - I don't FEEL "owned"...]
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Green is better than Wright
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Green is better than Wright
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You should type that statement 30 more times in a row because I don't quite get it...
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Want to try again? Wright and Green are both shooting 30% from 3, Wright is shooting 2% less than Green but it easy to argue Green gets that number higher for the sole reason of who he is generally playing against. Green averages about 2 rebounds more per 48 minutes not a huge difference, while Wright has about a 1.5-1 assist/ TO ratio, Greene is .5/1, which shows his horrific decision making, Wright is a much much better defender as he almost always guards the teams best 1/2/3 scorer. Wright is a much better bball player than Green, it isn't even close.
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Wrong, of course. How can you look at percentages and say Green is a worse shooter? He's had hardly any 3PT attempts this year. Last year, Green shot 39% from 3PT line (better than Dirk, Josh and JET this year). The year before that, on 250 attempts, Green shot 37%. Both solid shooting percentages. For his career, Green shoots 36%.
Best Wright has shot in a season? 32%. Career 3PT shooting? 29%.
Green is clearly the better shooter over Wright. Inside the arc, have you ever seen Wright make contested jumpers? Not often. Green can hit fadeaways, step-backs, and an assortment of other contested jumpers (although I sure wish he would stop taking those shots...he does shoots too low of a %).
I'd take Green over Wright any day on an open 3 pointer or an open jump shot.
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Green is better than Wright
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Mavsfan, I'm a huge Green fan. I think he should play more, but right now, Wright is a better overall player. I'll admit that.
I understand scoring isn't everything. Green has to play better defense. I've seen him play great defense at time.
Wright plays good defense. Name another wing who plays good defense, consistantly (thus ruling out Josh Howard, who sometimes plays good defense). We don't have one.
Wright earned a spot partly out of necessity, partly because he DOES play great defense.
However, here is one thing I'd like to point out about Green and Wright. People criticize Green for taking bad shots, and its true. But how is Wright taking 3 pointers any better? For Wright, a 3PTer is a BAD SHOT. And people criticize Wright for taking 3's, but not on the same level as they criticize Green...
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04-15-2009, 06:13 PM
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Did you realize that Wright still doesn't have a 100 3PT makes in his CAREER?
Green almost had 100 3PT makes in one season... (he had 95)
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04-15-2009, 06:23 PM
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This is a weird argument. I think we can all agree that Green is the better offensive player and Wright the better defensive player. The reason we play wright is because we need the defense more than we need the offense. We go through droughts because we are a jump shooting team (especially with josh out) - it is bound to happen.
Green isn't the answer though since he is also mostly a jump shooter
Last edited by Lor20; 04-15-2009 at 06:24 PM.
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04-15-2009, 06:46 PM
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#153
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Lor20
This is a weird argument. I think we can all agree that Green is the better offensive player and Wright the better defensive player. The reason we play wright is because we need the defense more than we need the offense. We go through droughts because we are a jump shooting team (especially with josh out) - it is bound to happen.
Green isn't the answer though since he is also mostly a jump shooter
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Green has the ability to drive. Someone needs to make it clear that if he sees the floor, his role should be the following:
1) Drive. Draw fouls, finish strong.
2) Don't get burned on defense. We aren't expecting a lock-down job, just adequate not to give up easy buckets.
3) Shoot open jumpers, and only open jumpers. 3's and mid-range. You can't tell the kid not to shoot open jumpers at all...that'd be similar to telling Josh not to shoot open jumpers at all. Josh can hit them at a high %, and so can Green. But, just like Josh, the trouble comes when he attempts stupid jumpers.
4) Pass when a shot isn't available.
5) Use his jumping to get rebounds and put-backs. Especially put-backs. I understand if he trails off for a fast break on defense, but on offense he's got to hit the boards hard.
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04-15-2009, 06:48 PM
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#154
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And yes, I agree with the assessment that Wright = defense, Green = offense, Mavs need defense.
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04-16-2009, 11:47 PM
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Originally Posted by tcat075
And yes, I agree with the assessment that Wright = defense, Green = offense, Mavs need defense.
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Maybe we should find a way to combine both players. We'd get Green Wright? Get it? hahaha, don't hurt me
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04-17-2009, 09:58 AM
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G$ also seems to completely bust the plays down. It swings to him, it's going up. That wouldn't sit long let me tell ya with the rest of the team.
If he'd cut his shot attempts by about 2/3'rd...he'd probalby get more playing time.
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04-17-2009, 10:42 AM
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04-17-2009, 11:09 AM
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04-23-2009, 10:49 PM
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Did anyone even notice this guy getting hurt? Is he okay?
...hahah...
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04-23-2009, 10:53 PM
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He should be fine. Plus, Carlisle isn't playing him, there isn't much reason to be worried about the injury outside of being worried about his well being.
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