04-16-2009, 06:47 PM
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Artest: I Was Tough On Carlisle In Indy
Mavericks coach Rick Carlisle recently gave Ron Artest praise for his growth, while Artest has admitted that he was tough on his coach during their time together with the Pacers.
"When I was with him, I had a lot of problems," Artest said. "He really showed a lot of genuine care for me. ... He always came over and made sure I was OK, talked to me, made sure my family was OK. ... He knew I was an emotional kid. He always took time out to make sure I was all right. It was just unfortunate I wasn't really listening.
"He taught me a lot. He taught me how to play intelligent basketball, taught me a lot about defense."
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04-16-2009, 06:56 PM
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I'm glad we have Carlisle .
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04-16-2009, 06:58 PM
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Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart
I'm glad we have Carlisle .
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As the Mavs get better, he's seeming like a better and better coach. Hopefully he doesn't pull an Avery and get outcoached in every playoff series.
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04-16-2009, 07:15 PM
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Man, I'm really glad I'm not an Indiana fan. If I were, I might be tempted to kill Ron Artest in his sleep. That franchise defended him more than they had any reason to and he just kept stabbing them in the back over and over again. He singlehandedly set them back indefinitely. They could've contended for a title, and now they're in danger of going under.
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04-16-2009, 07:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Thespiralgoeson
Man, I'm really glad I'm not an Indiana fan. If I were, I might be tempted to kill Ron Artest in his sleep. That franchise defended him more than they had any reason to and he just kept stabbing them in the back over and over again. He singlehandedly set them back indefinitely. They could've contended for a title, and now they're in danger of going under.
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It's easy to defend a player that can play both defense and offense at a very high level in the NBA. He had too much potential to give up on.
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04-16-2009, 07:19 PM
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Originally Posted by DubOverdose
As the Mavs get better, he's seeming like a better and better coach. Hopefully he doesn't pull an Avery and get outcoached in every playoff series.
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I wouldn't worry about it. Carlisle is already an established coach and has proven himself to be an at least adequate strategist. Avery never did. Some people get angry when I say that he was incompetent, but I think it's at least fair to say that he was one-dimensional. He had a very basic, simplistic approach to the game and had success with it. However, anytime someone threw something at him that he wasn't expecting, he buckled. Going small from the Golden State series all through the next season reeked of sheer desperation and panic.
Carlisle has at least proven that he can coach more than one style.
Edit: I would also say that Carlisle doesn't have nearly as huge an ego as Avery. God knows we all got tired of Avery taking credit for the success and blaming Dirk for the failures.
Last edited by Thespiralgoeson; 04-16-2009 at 07:24 PM.
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04-16-2009, 07:21 PM
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Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart
It's easy to defend a player that can play both defense and offense at a very high level in the NBA. He had too much potential to give up on.
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That's true, but if I were running the franchise, I think I would've tried to trade him a lot sooner than they did. I suppose that's easy for me to say, but he really did cross the line way more than any other player I can think of in NBA history.
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04-16-2009, 07:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Thespiralgoeson
I wouldn't worry about it. Carlisle is already an established coach and has proven himself to be an at least adequate strategist. Avery never did. Some people get angry when I say that he was incompetent, but I think it's at least fair to say that he was one-dimensional. He had a very basic, simplistic approach to the game and had success with it. However, anytime someone threw something at him that he wasn't expecting, he buckled. Going small from the Golden State series all through the next season reeked of sheer desperation and panic.
Carlisle has at least proven that he can coach more than one style.
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I think that's pretty much blown over by now.
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04-16-2009, 07:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Thespiralgoeson
I wouldn't worry about it. Carlisle is already an established coach and has proven himself to be an at least adequate strategist. Avery never did. Some people get angry when I say that he was incompetent, but I think it's at least fair to say that he was one-dimensional. He had a very basic, simplistic approach to the game and had success with it. However, anytime someone threw something at him that he wasn't expecting, he buckled. Going small from the Golden State series all through the next season reeked of sheer desperation and panic.
Carlisle has at least proven that he can coach more than one style.
Edit: I would also say that Carlisle doesn't have nearly as huge an ego as Avery. God knows we all got tired of Avery taking credit for the success and blaming Dirk for the failures.
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Well Carlisle (as I've mentioned) knows how to make plays from time-outs. So we know that there is a high chance of something good happening from an in-bounds play. Avery was just terrible at in-bound play calling. I give credit to the guys at db.com who pointed that out, and I argued Avery's record. Ha, was I wrong. From that point on, I saw a team that simply couldn't get the ball in-bounds without some sort of struggle to do so. What a strain on a team to have to work extra hard just to get the stupid ball in-bounds.
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04-16-2009, 08:13 PM
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So get him after the next Rockets Firstround-Choking as a Freeagent for the MLE and make him stop chucking and do just the things he is good at
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04-16-2009, 11:22 PM
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^ that would be awesome.
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04-17-2009, 12:52 AM
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As long as RC runs that BS 3 guard lineup in the 4th, he can suck it. I love his out of timeout calls, and most of his X's and O's. But his rotations kill me.
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04-17-2009, 05:58 AM
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Originally Posted by CadBane
As long as RC runs that BS 3 guard lineup in the 4th, he can suck it. I love his out of timeout calls, and most of his X's and O's. But his rotations kill me.
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That 3 guard lineup irritates me over and over again. Well, it's okay to use it sometimes and against some opponents, but for sure not every time, almost the entire 4th quarter and against almost all teams.
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04-17-2009, 09:14 AM
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I'm not worried about RC in the playoffs. He took two different franchises to the conference finals and only lost in the first round once (to Kidd actually) the year they dumped Artest. We may lose, but it will not be due to coaching.
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04-17-2009, 11:30 AM
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Carlisle is a strong X and O guy - he had some issues getting the team to come out focussed and pumped every game (the ONE thing avery excelled at - the team always WANTED it and you could see that they did want the win in every game). In the playoffs that shouldn't be a big deal as the team knows what they play for. I'm not too thrilled at Carlisle's in-game changes. He has a 60/40 record on his modifications working (60% of the time we came back and won, 40% of the cases it got worse) which isn't horrible but the best coaches have better track records there.
We will see how he does this year in the playoffs.
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04-17-2009, 02:54 PM
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Originally Posted by #1MavsFan
Mavericks coach Rick Carlisle recently gave Ron Artest praise for his growth, while Artest has admitted that he was tough on his coach during their time together with the Pacers.
"When I was with him, I had a lot of problems," Artest said. "He really showed a lot of genuine care for me. ... He always came over and made sure I was OK, talked to me, made sure my family was OK. ... He knew I was an emotional kid. He always took time out to make sure I was all right. It was just unfortunate I wasn't really listening.
"He taught me a lot. He taught me how to play intelligent basketball, taught me a lot about defense."
http://realgm.com/src_wiretap_archiv...isle_in_indy/#
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Why hasn't he shown it? He's dumb as a rock on offense.
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04-17-2009, 03:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Lor20
(the ONE thing avery excelled at - the team always WANTED it and you could see that they did want the win in every game).
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i think the NBA Finals a few years ago disproves this.
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04-17-2009, 05:05 PM
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I've always liked Artest. Indiana doesn't need him though, as they have Granger at SF now.
Back to Carlisle, he's pretty good at in game stuff, but Avery was better at managing the off the court stuff. For instance he changed the Mavs' national reputation into a much grittier team, which I enjoyed. Mavs are kinda under the radar with no real identity now, kinda like their coach.
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04-17-2009, 11:39 PM
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That is a very mature statement for Artest to make. I'm the type of guy that will ride someone as hard as hell when it's deserving.. but I'm actually proud of Artest for making that statement. It shows an incredible amount of growth..
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