This Season's Roster Outlook

[rimrocker]

Originally Posted by mac222b

Or else we would have to sign a FA(lets say Danny Green)first then s'n't for DeAndre using Tyson to go over, Then Aminu gets MLE. Not to say this is even the plan just trying to get a handle on how dominoes may fall.

That should be Plan A.

Mavs should do whatever it takes to have Parsons/Green/Jordan/Aminu as our core pieces next season.
Add Grant/Powell to that mix and surround them with Dirk/Harris/Barea/CV/RJ and we'd have a nice young competitive team going forward.

[yahyes]

Originally Posted by BGMaverick9

The fascination you have with Tony Allen truly is something.

Well I hope the emphasis at starting SG here will be defense. Right now he's the best option I can think of.

[GermanStandard]

Originally Posted by yahyes

Well I hope the emphasis at starting SG here will be defense. Right now he's the best option I can think of.

Danny Green would be the best option

[BPo001]

Ellis opts out.

http://espn.go.com/dallas/nba/story/...-opts-contract

[EricaLubarsky]

What I don't get is why we care so little about the draft as to constantly move down in the draft. I get the MBT's assessment that stars are hard to come by in the late first-round, but there will be a lot of solid role players in this draft and it's frankly hard to get the same kind of value contracts in free agency as we can get from a role player in the draft like Hollis-Jefferson or Anderson. In free agency, we are almost always overpaying. The only exceptions are guys like Jefferson and Aminu--and Aminu was looking for a one-year tryout to rehab his career for a bigger payout.

[EricaLubarsky]

Originally Posted by BPo001

Ellis opts out.

http://espn.go.com/dallas/nba/story/...-opts-contract

Goodbye Ellis!

[hayth.james.g]

Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

Goodbye Ellis!

I chuckled yesterday when I saw the leaked reports on Us trading Monta if he opted in. Well played Dallas, well played. Now we are set up for a monster off season. Aldridge just became a real possibility.

[DevinHarriswillstart]

Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

Goodbye Ellis!

Yeah, the way his agent talks sounds like he is gone. Might go down as one of the most underappreciated Mavs, but it's time for a new direction with the rumored chemistry issues.

[Murphy3]

Glad Dirk doesn't have to finish out his career with Ellis on the team.

[Robillion]

I'm quite glad Ellis opted out. A move in the right direction for the team, but only if we replace him with someone that is a) younger b) plays defense c) can shoot the 3 decently well.

Just gotta say - This is the most excited + anxious I have been going into the draft/free agency I think ever as a Mavs fan.

We have such much opportunity to win big or fail big. I am mostly worried about that the Mavs FO trade down netting player(s) that we will never utlize well, then also missing on our free agent targets, then also losing both Tyson Chandler and Aminu. The scary thought is that this worst case scenario is just as likely, if not more likely, than our best case scenario.

But, our best-good case scenarios are pretty awesome this summer. Better opportunities than I think this organization has ever had.

So.... we'll see what happens.

[Bryan_Wilson]

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap...-On-East-Coast

I just hope it's closer to 10 than it is 12 but I think everyone likes Green.

[yahyes]

Originally Posted by Bryan_Wilson

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap...-On-East-Coast

I just hope it's closer to 10 than it is 12 but I think everyone likes Green.

He also could be a legitimate signing. But I don't want San Antonio trying to get us in a bidding war for Green. If the contract is too high. Wes Matthews is free too.

[Quetzalcoatl]

Originally Posted by Murphy3

Glad Dirk doesn't have to finish out his career with Ellis on the team.

+1

[mavs777]

Originally Posted by yahyes

He also could be a legitimate signing. But I don't want San Antonio trying to get us in a bidding war for Green. If the contract is too high. Wes Matthews is free too.

Wes Matthews is coming off one of the most serious injuries there are, I'd much rather have green

[Underdog]

Apparently the Miami Heat are interested in Ellis... I wonder if we could work out a sign and trade for Dragic?

[DirkMFFL]

I don't understand why so many mavs fans get excited about Danny Green. Especially the fans at that joke of a mavs forum runned by Mike Fisher. Can he attack the rim or pass the ball like Monta? Can he make up the 20ppg average Monta did for us?

Green averaged 8/3/2/1 in 29 minutes in the play-offs, while shooting 34/30/67 with no defensive attention as a 5th option last season.
Ellis averaged 26/3/5/2 in 39 minutes in the play-offs, while shooting 47/37/75 with all the defensive attention as a 1st option last season.

What makes you think he's going to be better with the mavs? He is not worth 12 million. Give me 3 years 21 or no way Jose. I'd instead wait to see what the market is for Wesley Matthews and sign him instead. Probably could get him for a discount since he got injured last season.

[mavs777]

Originally Posted by DirkMFFL

I don't understand why so many mavs fans get excited about Danny Green. Especially the fans at that joke of a mavs forum runned by Mike Fisher. Can he attack the rim or pass the ball like Monta? Can he make up the 20ppg average Monta did for us?

Green averaged 8/3/2/1 in 29 minutes in the play-offs, while shooting 34/30/67 with no defensive attention as a 5th option last season.
Ellis averaged 26/3/5/2 in 39 minutes in the play-offs, while shooting 47/37/75 with all the defensive attention as a 1st option last season.

What makes you think he's going to be better with the mavs? He is not worth 12 million. Give me 3 years 21 or no way Jose. I'd instead wait to see what the market is for Wesley Matthews and sign him instead. Probably could get him for a discount since he got injured last season.

Lol he was better than monta last year, is younger, comes without the chemistry concerns, and is 20 times the defender monta is, plus look at the difference in efficiency between the 2. Not close. But hey continue to be part of the count the points crew.

[Underdog]

Originally Posted by DirkMFFL

I don't understand why so many of you guys get excited about Danny Green. Can he attack the rim or pass the ball like Monta? Can he make up the 20ppg average Monta did for us?

You do realize that Monta's production can be replaced at other positions, don't you? There's no reason to think that any guard we sign next season is going to score as much as he did... Besides, the appeal in Green is his defense and ability to shoot the three, which were both weaknesses for Monta -- the idea is to go in the opposite direction at the two (which makes even more sense if we land a guy like Aldridge).

[EricaLubarsky]

15.4 mill - Parsons
12.0 mill - Green
10.0 mill - Chandler
8.3 mill - Dirk
4.5 mill - Felton
4.1 mill - Harris
1.2 mill - Powell
3.5mill (6 minimum salary holds)
-------------------------
59mill/67.1mill

8.1mill cap space left for the rest of the roster. If we can trade away Felton for our first rounder without taking back salary, then we have 12.6mill, but another spot to fill with only 12.6mill. Chandler may demand more than 10 mill, reducing that number even further.

Chandler/????/????
Dirk/Powell/?????
Parsons/????/????
Green/????/????
Felton/Harris/????

That roster doesn't look good this year and doesn't look good in the future. Parsons would have to not only come back healthy, but also come back with a good amount of Magic Johnson's DNA in him to be able to crack the playoffs. Neither Felton nor Harris can create havoc on offense or run plays with consistency. We'd be depending on Parsons and/or Dirk to run almost all of our offense.

[mavs777]

I'd like to look at Cory Joseph

[DirkMFFL]

@EricaLubarsky

Thank you. Do people here really think Parsons can be the #1 option while he's the number one player being targeted by the defense? His injury sure is not going to make him score 20ppg like those dumb mavs fans think at that dumb mavs forum runned by Mike Fisher and his screw of the worst Mods in all sports. Does people here still think Dirk needs to continue to be the #1 or #2 option as a 37 year old? Dirk deserves better so I don't think a roster with Green as the shooting guard will help. Lets not overpay like we did with Parsons and sacrifice the future for a role player. My ideal roster would be

Mo Williams (1 year vet min)/ Harris
Wesley Matthews - (3 years 21 million with a player option year 2 and 3)/ CharlieV(1 year vet min)
Parsons/ Aminu(2 years 10 mil with player option year 2)
Dirk/Montrezl Harrell(#21pick )
DeAndre Jordan 4 years 76 million(Sign and trade Tyson Chandler + Felton)/ Robert Upshaw(#52 pick)

[DirkMFFL]

I will be severely disappointed if Danny Green is the only mavs prized free agent this summer. Paying 12 million for Green is like paying Parsons for 15 million. Just not worth it. Mark Cuban please don't do this to us! We better get LA or DeAndre if you sign Green. We need another superstar to carry this franchise when Dirk decides to retire.

[Underdog]

Originally Posted by DirkMFFL

Do people here really think Parsons can be the #1 option while he's the number one player being targeted by the defense?

Have you read that opinion on this forum? I haven't.

[Bryan_Wilson]

Monta's best asset was as EL pointed out his ability to cause defenses to scramble to defend him. However, more and more as the year wore on and more and more as he gets older he is going to pull up from 18-22 feet. The fact is we paid Parsons to be a guy who can handle the ball some and give us some of everything. With Monta he was forced to stand in the corner and spread the floor. When Rondo came it was even worse. We paid Parsons to be a core player not stand in the corner and have Monta jack up 20 footers and dominate the ball entirely in the final 5 mins.

I don't think anyone expects CP to just step right in and be Monta and be the top option. What I'd guess the expectation would be is for him to have more opportunities a game to be a play maker.

Monta took 16.9 shots per game to get 18.9 ppg in over 33mins. We can call him a 20 point scorer but qualify that by mentioning just how many shots it took him to get 20 points. Parsons shot 12.6 shots a game and scored 15.7 points. Monta created for Parsons so I'm not making the simple 1+1=2 type comparison but it shows that just cuz a guy scores 20 doesnt mean he is irreplaceable. Especially when you factor in he played 0 defense.

One last thing those Ellis playoff numbers are not as "number 1 option" as far as I'm concerned. Every single time Dirk touched the ball on the block Houston sent a double to him. They would rather have Monta shoot 100 pull ups than see Dirk on the block with 1 guy covering. So let's provide the proper context of what Monta was as a "number 1 option" when he constantly has a guy drawing doubles.

[EricaLubarsky]

Originally Posted by Underdog

Have you read that opinion on this forum? I haven't.

It's been implied if people think Harris/Green/Parsons/Dirk/Chandler can even win 42 games. Where does the offense come from? This is a movement league now. It's half the reason Dirk is struggling. You have to have movement if you want to succeed. Just look at the finals if you want to see where the league is right now-- penetration and threes are no longer optional.

[hayth.james.g]

Green for 12 seems steep to me. I feel like 10 mill is abit more realistic. Am I wrong here?

[EricaLubarsky]

Originally Posted by hayth.james.g

Green for 12 seems steep to me. I feel like 10 mill is abit more realistic. Am I wrong here?

green for 10 is probably fair, but leaves us in pretty awkward cap spot with our center most likely getting 10-16.

[Underdog]

Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

It's been implied if people think Harris/Green/Parsons/Dirk/Chandler can even win 42 games.

Who implied such a thing? This is the first I'm reading of anyone thinking this team could be decent if all we did was replace Ellis with Green this summer... I've only seen people talk about signing Green after we land either Aldridge or Jordan.

Because obviously this team needs another scorer besides Parsons or Dirk now that Ellis is a goner.

[EricaLubarsky]

Originally Posted by Underdog

Who implied such a thing? This is the first I'm reading of anyone thinking this team could be decent if all we did was replace Ellis with Green this summer... I've only seen people talk about signing Green after we land either Aldridge or Jordan.

Because obviously this team needs another scorer besides Parsons or Dirk now that Ellis is a goner.

Problem is? With what Green gets, we probably can't get LMA as well without mortgaging the team unless LMA both leaves Portland AND takes a pay cut.

It's not about Green. It's about what kind of team we could build with him taking up 12 mill

[Underdog]

Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

Problem is? With what Green gets, we probably can't get LMA as well without mortgaging the team unless LMA both leaves Portland AND takes a pay cut.

It's not about Green. It's about what kind of team we could build with him taking up 12 mill

We're not going to pay Green 12 mil, so I don't know what you're worried about.

[DirkMFFL]

@Bryan_Wilson

Imagine it was Danny Green instead of Monta during last years playoff run. Now imagine a guy who can't move or pass but just shoot open 3 point shots. Why not just bring back Calderon if we need a 3 point shooter. He sure is not going to cost us 12 million a year like Green would. This is why I rather have the mavs try to sign Wesley Matthews since he's going to get low balled everywhere like the summer of 2013 was for Monta. Get him cheap while not sacrificing the future. Matthews is everything like Green but cheaper and better.

[DirkMFFL]

@UnderDog

Sorry for all my negativity toward Danny Green. It's just that the other dumb mavs forum is getting all excited about a player who is not even worth it. They are acting as if Green is some kind of superstar and so much better than Monta. They forget all the good things Monta has done before Rondo. Give me Monta at 12 million over Green. Monta can actually take off pressure from Dirk unlike Green. Green in my opinion is just a role player. I would hate it if Cuban loses out on both LA and DeAndre only to sign Green because of pressure from some dumb mav fans.

[Bryan_Wilson]

Originally Posted by DirkMFFL

@Bryan_Wilson

Imagine it was Danny Green instead of Monta during last years playoff run. Now imagine a guy who can't move or pass but just shoot open 3 point shots. Why not just bring back Calderon if we need a 3 point shooter. He sure is not going to cost us 12 million a year like Green would. This is why I rather have the mavs try to sign Wesley Matthews since he's going to get low balled everywhere like the summer of 2013 was for Monta. Get him cheap while not sacrificing the future. Matthews is everything like Green but cheaper and better.

I don't want to imagine it was Danny Green though. I'm not saying swap Monta for Green and we suddenly are title contenders. And Green's allure is as a 3 and d off ball player so why would I want calderon? It's not just making 3's it's perimeter defense and 3's.

The whole reason I want Green, or a player like green(matthews, lee, any 3 and d off guard player) is because we were as I had posted a while back-

Originally Posted by Bryan_Wilson

We finished:

- Dead last in rebound differential
- Dead last in total rebound %
- 25th in points per game given up
- 27th in defensive 3pt%
All of these are the lowest of any playoff team this season

So I think if there is a way to get Jordan and Green here and have a pg like mo williams or even lin as a filler for a year I'll take the drop off in offense because no matter what happens we cannot do anything ever with numbers like the ones above.

[DirkMFFL]

@Byran_Wilson

Not really fair to blame Monta like those dumb mavs fans at the other garbage forum. I love Dirk but he might be top 5 worst defenders currently in the NBA. There were many reasons why mavs were horrible last season at defense. Well right now I hope we get Matthews since Monta is definitely gone. Don't think mavs will be able to afford Lin while signing a SG and Center. Mo Willams will at max cost the mavs 2 years 4 million with a player option 2nd year. Could have easily had him last year instead of Nelson. Plus he runs like a basketball camp at Dallas I heard.

[Bryan_Wilson]

Originally Posted by DirkMFFL

@Byran_Wilson

Not really fair to blame Monta like those dumb mavs fans at the other garbage forum. I love Dirk but he might be top 5 worst defenders currently in the NBA. There were many reasons why mavs were horrible last season at defense. Well right now I hope we get Matthews since Monta is definitely gone. Don't think mavs will be able to afford Lin while signing a SG and Center. Mo Willams will at max cost the mavs 2 years 4 million with a player option 2nd year. Could have easily had him last year instead of Nelson. Plus he runs like a basketball camp at Dallas I heard.

I blame many factors for our defense, Monta is just one of them. It doesn't change the fact he is a poor defender that is an undersized 2 who has to have the ball in his hands because he can't play off ball on offense, but can't play pg either. The reports were that he wanted to be paid CP's money. So it's not an argument of Green for 12 Monta for 12. It is an argument of Monta for 15+ and hopefully Green for no more than 10. Furthermore as long as Monta is here you are basically using Parsons, who you gave 15m to last year to give you a little of everything, to simply provide space for monta to shoot 18 times a game for 20 points. Which just exacerbates Parsons being overpaid by making him a spot up shooter when that is not what he is or what they originally paid him to be.

I feel the writing was on the wall as soon as Rondo didn't work out. When Monta did not get along with Parsons and to take it further was moody at the fact he was paid more than himself(reportedly)... If Rondo works out you could justifiably just re sign everyone with bird rights and try to make it work. With that no longer being an option Monta and Parsons cannot both make 15m a year, everyone knows CP is overpaid but thats the nature of free agency and RFA's.

[DevinHarriswillstart]

I would like to mention that perhaps Ellis doesn't want to be here anymore. The fact that he won't talk to the media, is jealous of Parsons contract, and befriended team cancer are all red flags. As has been talked about, he likely would never be happy making less than Parsons. And there is no way you give him 15 mil a year.

I still think the Mavs should have played him at the PG from a get-go. It would have plugged a whole in the defense by putting a 3 and D guy next to him.

[mavs777]

I think Danny Green is worth 12 million, he's really good.

[EricaLubarsky]

Originally Posted by mavs777

I think Danny Green is worth 12 million, he's really good.

WhiCh is absolutely a great attitude for 2K sports, but players don't have values separate of a team situation and the CBA. Is he worth 12 mill? For some team looking to fill seats or a near-champ who has a bunch of guys for crazy cheap and have the space.

For us? He simply can't be worth 12 mill. We can't afford to give a third of our cap space to a guy who is a fine 5th man, but not a guy who is going to get us o the next level. Two good players doesn't make a star and that's what we'd have this summer if we gave him 12.

[FreshJive]

Danny Green is worth 10 if we get Jordan. If they get LMA then they should spend the money on Chandler. Either way the plan is to compete in year two when the cap goes up. There will almost certainly be new opportunities and events over the next few months that will change the optimal strategy. No need to be so fatalistic or take inflexible positions yet.

[mavs777]

Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

WhiCh is absolutely a great attitude for 2K sports, but players don't have values separate of a team situation and the CBA. Is he worth 12 mill? For some team looking to fill seats or a near-champ who has a bunch of guys for crazy cheap and have the space.

For us? He simply can't be worth 12 mill. We can't afford to give a third of our cap space to a guy who is a fine 5th man, but not a guy who is going to get us o the next level. Two good players doesn't make a star and that's what we'd have this summer if we gave him 12.

He's worth 12 million for us. He's a lockdown defender, who attracts a ton of attention on offensive nd his value offensively goes far beyond his offensive ppg or efficiency with his gravity pull (read some of pelton's stuff). He's much more than a 5th man. He's a third guy.